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post #121 of 415
This was mentioned in previous firmware pre-release...when "ejecting" my WD passport elite harddrive the WD TV doesn't shut it off. I know this isn't important in the bigger picture of fixing the bugs but I didn't want this to be forgotten in the long run. Thanks for releasing the pre-release firmwares and appreciate the work you guys are doing keeping us informed on your efforts.
post #122 of 415
Quote:
Originally Posted by priesto View Post

I have had no problems with thumbnails with different names than the folder. But all my parent folders have a jpg named "folder.jpg". My hd is arranged as follows:

Animation (folder)
- Movie name - Year.Release (sub-folder)
- Movie name - Year.avi
- Movie name - Year.jpg
- Movie name - Year.srt
- folder.jpg
Movies
Movies HD
TV Shows
folder.jpg (I want to have my hd associated with a thumb on the folder view. dunno if it's possible or not, is it?)

Did your parent folders displayed thumbs on the 1.02.03 firmware?

Yes my parent folders had thumbs on the .03 firmware....My folders are grouped by category and sub categories ie;

Videos=Parent Folder
folder.jpg

Horror=Sub Parent Folder
-folder.jpg
-Let the Right One In(2008).avi
-Let the Right One In(2008).jpg
-Classic Horror=Sub Folder(in horror parent)
-folder.jpg
-Halloween(1978).avi
-Halloween(1978).jpg

And so on for each category of films I have like Action, Drama, etc....
post #123 of 415
I've seen some chatter in related posts about the desire to display subtitles automatically, most of which state specifically that displaying subtitles by default makes sense when (and only when) external subtitle files are used. The logic being if you took the time to put the subtitle file(s) in there you probably want to use them.

Displaying subtitles by default for embedded types of media though, such as an .iso containing dvd video or mkvs containing subtitle tracks (not forced) is not the preferred behavior in my opinion. DVD players for instance don't work this way unless the disc is specifically configured too.

With the new firmware seemingly showing all subtitles by default I find myself having to go in and turn off subtitles now on a regular basis where I didn't before (every time I start and restart the same file for instance), which is annoying and getting more so as time goes on. I watch plenty of foreign films and when subtitle management is required I have no issue playing with the settings but if I'm forced to manage the subtitles otherwise it feels like the machine is making me do extra work unnecessarily, which sucks.

When external .srt files are used default subtitle display sure, the rest of the time please no. If it has to be all off or all on I say off is preferable (not just for me personally but for general usability's sake I think always assuming isn't usually a the best approach, if nothing else because of the aforementioned extra work required when not needing/wanting to deal with subtitles at all for a particular file(s)).

bd
post #124 of 415
The thing about the hard drive turning off, it seems that I eject my MyBook from my iMac, it still has a bit of power running to it (blue light is on). This is the first aluminum iMac, so I don't know if that makes any difference, but I doubt it. It's only when the computer is fully shut down is there no light emanating from the front of the unit.

To expect this unit to shut down when it is off, this is requiring it to save a database file somewhat permanently on the drive itself, otherwise, you'd have to create a new one every time after you shut down. There would be waiting time every time instead of the instant-on we're used to (at least the 13 minutes I experience). So yea, I don't mind if this thing writes tiny files to my drive; the finder does it as well as windows explorer. As long as it loads fast, and doesn't screw anything up.
post #125 of 415
Quote:
Originally Posted by Civuck View Post


As someone else pointed out, menus indeed feel somewhat sluggish at 1080p/24

You've told the device to operate at less than half the usual rate; don't blame it for that.
post #126 of 415
GuyWD, any info on whether or not you guys are working on the multiple subtitles on screen at one time, that we discussed last time?

Thanks for all of the help and great work! The support for your customers is top notch.
post #127 of 415
Quote:
Originally Posted by brooklynWebdev View Post

I watch plenty of foreign films and when subtitle management is required I have no issue playing with the settings but if I'm forced to manage the subtitles otherwise it feels like the machine is making me do extra work unnecessarily, which sucks.
bd

2 finger clicks is a great chore for you...
get a life.
post #128 of 415
Are subs still ON by default in 1.02.04?
post #129 of 415
I'm having trouble with this video:
Code:
General
Complete name                    : ---
Format                           : Matroska
File size                        : 341MB
Duration                         : 26min.
Overall bit rate                 : 1 817Kbps
Movie name                       : [KAA]_Ghost_in_the_Shell_SAC_01
Encoded date                     : UTC 2004-10-13 18:19:13
Writing application              : mkvmerge v0.9.5 ('The Na Na Song') built on Aug 21 2004 17:46:01
Writing library                  : libebml v0.7.1 + libmatroska v0.7.3
Cover                            : Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes / Yes

Video
Format                           : MPEG-4 Visual
Format profile                   : Simple@L3
Format settings, BVOP            : Si
Format settings, QPel            : No
Format settings, GMC             : 0 warppoint
Codec ID                         : XVID
Codec ID/Hint                    : XviD
Duration                         : 26min.
Bit rate                         : 1 287Kbps
Width                            : 704pixeles
Height                           : 396pixeles
Display aspect ratio             : 16/9
Frame rate                       : 29,970fps
Resolution                       : 24bits
Colorimetry                      : 4:2:0
Scan type                        : Progresivo
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.154
Title                            : [KAA]_Ghost_in_the_Shell_SAC_01
Writing library                  : XviD 1.0.2 (UTC 2004-08-29)

Audio
Format                           : AC-3
Format/Info                      : Audio Coding 3
Codec ID                         : A_AC3
Duration                         : 26min.
Bit rate                         : 448Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 6canales
Channel positions                : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                    : 48,0KHz
Title                            : Japanese Audio (6 ch)
Language                         : japonés

Texto
Format                           : ASS
Codec ID                         : S_TEXT/ASS
Codec ID/Info                    : Advanced Sub Station Alpha
Title                            : English Subs (ASS)
Language                         : inglé
1) It takes 14 seconds to start.
2) From the first minute to 1:55 the sound goes off.
3) It freezes every 10 seconds (only the video).

It plays wrong in all the firmwares; in my PC I see it just fine.

Thx

PS: Sry about my english.
post #130 of 415
Quote:
Originally Posted by Civuck View Post

So I've done a bit of testing with firmware 1.02.04 and here are some quick notes...
  • Fast-forwarding and rewinding indeed seems to be messed up. For instance, if you fast-forward visually to a spot and press play, it will revert back to a previous point in the video.
  • I do not like subtitles on by default.
  • As someone else pointed out, menus indeed feel somewhat sluggish at 1080p/24

I fully concur


My obvservations with 1.02.04


1) Fast-forwarding actually ends up at a point before started to fast-forward on m2ts files

2) FLAC problem - Some will play some will not (from the same album ripped at the same time) "file type not supported" - evident since 1.02.03 - Played fine in firmwares previous to 1.02.03. (going to investigate this or re-rip these again to see if clears the problem) **resolved** see below

3) Sometimes the unit reboots while scanning 1TB+ seagate drives. Generally having more difficulties with Hard drives. **not experiencing this since removal of Corrupt FLAC Files**

4) 1080p/24 good on M2TS (was ok to me anyway)

5) Menu's getting progressively worse (Sluggish) though every update 1080/50 or 1080/24





**Update on FLAC problem**

It appears upon moving the drive back to windows that, there has been some file corruption. Although the file size displays good in windows e.g 23mb,
DB power amp displays all information and file size from the affected files as '0mb' They won't play at all.

So I went to the back up folder of the rip, and all files were good. The mind boggles !!!! I Hope this is a one off, although it may co-incide with some thumbnail corruption I experienced once installed 1.02.03
post #131 of 415
Hi, I'm experiencing problems on movies with AAC sound. There's no sound at all with all 1.02.xx firmwares (but with 1.01.xx they were playing fine). Can anybody confirm no sound on AAC audio streams?

Code:
Аудио
ID                               : 2
Format                           : AAC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version                   : Version 4
Format profile                   : LC
Format settings, SBR             : No
Codec ID                         : A_AAC
Duration                         : 1h 57min
Channel(s)                       : 6 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                    : 48,0 KHz
Resolution                       : 16 bit
post #132 of 415
Quote:
Originally Posted by brooklynWebdev View Post

I've seen some chatter in related posts about the desire to display subtitles automatically, most of which state specifically that displaying subtitles by default makes sense when (and only when) external subtitle files are used. The logic being if you took the time to put the subtitle file(s) in there you probably want to use them.

Displaying subtitles by default for embedded types of media though, such as an .iso containing dvd video or mkvs containing subtitle tracks (not forced) is not the preferred behavior in my opinion. DVD players for instance don't work this way unless the disc is specifically configured too.

With the new firmware seemingly showing all subtitles by default I find myself having to go in and turn off subtitles now on a regular basis where I didn't before (every time I start and restart the same file for instance), which is annoying and getting more so as time goes on. I watch plenty of foreign films and when subtitle management is required I have no issue playing with the settings but if I'm forced to manage the subtitles otherwise it feels like the machine is making me do extra work unnecessarily, which sucks.

When external .srt files are used default subtitle display sure, the rest of the time please no. If it has to be all off or all on I say off is preferable (not just for me personally but for general usability's sake I think always assuming isn't usually a the best approach, if nothing else because of the aforementioned extra work required when not needing/wanting to deal with subtitles at all for a particular file(s)).

bd

+1 Instead of playing subtitles automatically how about they just add the ability to read if the default track flag is set to forced or not forced. for example i have foreign movies that when i play back on my computer the english subs come on automatically because the track flag is set to forced. now when i play an english movie that has foreign subs the subs dont play because the default track flag is set to not forced.
I hope they add this ability in the next release
post #133 of 415
Well, don't wan to sound harsh, but we going backwards!!! Worst with every new FW!!!

I'm not going to post any issues on this forum any more, because there is no point, they get ignored and i'we never seen GuyWD or ScottWD to replay on any of my posts!!! I'we been posting my issues two versions of FW ago and those issues are still there and there is more now with the new 1.02.04!!!

And the subs are still ON by default!!! "Great job guys"
post #134 of 415
Hi WD team. Great progress. Your device is already now a small wonder. One main branch regarding subtitles is not solved at all. DVB-T standard ETS300744 is partly forgotten or ignored, because WDTV does nor recognize the subtitle streams in a DVB-T recording file (.ts file). WDTV plays the video and enables the selecting of audio channels but does not detect subtitle streams. Many people are recording DVB-T programs with a laptop when being for instance at their free time places. It would be nice to watch these programs later at home with WDTV.

Is there some green light to be seen in this matter. BR Ukkram51
post #135 of 415
Is anyone else experiencing a very long restart (it's been over 2 minutes of black screen now) before the firmware begins to install?

EDIT: Nevermind, got it to work. Some scary moments though :/
post #136 of 415
Quote:
Originally Posted by SputnikNYC View Post

Well, don't wan to sound harsh, but we going backwards!!! Worst with every new FW!!!

I'm not going to post any issues on this forum any more, because there is no point, they get ignored and i'we never seen GuyWD or ScottWD to replay on any of my posts!!! I'we been posting my issues two versions of FW ago and those issues are still there and there is more now with the new 1.02.04!!!

And the subs are still ON by default!!! "Great job guys"

i prefer the subs on by default

i prefer subs on even in english movies
post #137 of 415
So many correspondence in just one day ...I'll try to address some requests with my own opinion:

1) Do not expect a 720p/24 mode becuase it IS NOT SUPPORTED by most (if any) TV in the world...the standard that was silently "agreed" is 1080p/24 only...even if the TV is HDReady only, it only supports 24Hz at 1080p input

2) Sluggish (jerky) menus at 1080p/24 are normal, HTPCs also act sluggish the same way at this refresh because it is VERY LOW...this logocally calls for the menus to be displayed at 50 or 60 Hz but automatically switching refresh after each viewing will drive even more people crazy because with some TVs it can take quite a long time...the same goes with my request to automatically match the refresh with the video file, the WD team are probably reluctant to implement this just for this reason...PCH has a special mode for this that can be turned on/off manually...

3) 24Hz is meant to run the native film framerate of 24 fps on frame-per-frame basis, as opposed to 60Hz refresh that needs to hold one frame for 3 refreshes then the second frame for 2 refreshes and so on and so on...it's called 3:2 pulldown and IT DOES NOT INTRODUCE video-look as someone suggested, but rather micro-stuttering look...the video look is "created" by your TV trying to be smart and eliminate motion blur introduced by LCD technology...also, some TVs can take 24Hz input but convert it again internally to 60Hz introducing stuttering again, so do not mistake the 24Hz stuttering with the fact that WD TV may not be playing back 24Hz sources smoothly...it may be your TV's fault...one that comes to mind is Panasonic PV70...

Not strictly ON TOPIC but had to be cleared...
post #138 of 415
GuyWD/ScottWD,

One of my 1080 .mkv file still cannot play correctly since the first firmware. The movie keeps shuttering and pixelized. Please check and fix this bug.

Quote:


Complete name :
Format : Matroska
File size : 40.5 MiB
Duration : 1mn 0s
Overall bit rate : 5 651 Kbps
Movie name :
Encoded date : UTC 2007-12-10 16:27:13
Writing application : mkvmerge v2.1.0 ('Another Place To Fall') built on Aug 19 2007 13:40:07
Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L5.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 16 frames
Muxing mode : Container profile=Unknown@5.1
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1mn 0s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Title : 日本語
Writing library : x264 core 56 svn-667
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=15 / deblock=0:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=umh / subme=7 / brdo=1 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=32 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=1 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=6 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / wpredb=1 / bime=1 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=65(pre) / rc=crf / crf=20.0 / rceq='blurCplx^(1-qComp)' / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=8 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30
Language : Japanese

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version : Version 4
Format profile : LC
Format settings, SBR : Yes
Format settings, PS : No
Codec ID : A_AAC
Duration : 1mn 0s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : L R
Sampling rate : 96.0 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
Title : 日本語
Language : Japanese

Thanks
post #139 of 415
Really pleased to read that the 1080p/24 is fixed now.It had to be done.Now,i have a question to make to the wd team and i would like an answer if possible.It's been asked before in the past but i haven't read an answer yet.Is this machine possible to play files with a larger number of ref frames than it already supports now?Is it possible to go further up in the supported Format profile @ 4.1?If that's possible, it would be a very welcome addition to the next official firmware.
post #140 of 415
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomorecomment View Post

GuyWD/ScottWD,

One of my 1080 .mkv file still cannot play correctly since the first firmware. The movie keeps shuttering and pixelized. Please check and fix this bug.

Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
ReFrames : 16 frames

Thanks


The specifications for this file exceeds the reframe limit. The current limit for a 1920*1080 movie is 5. Check here for details.
post #141 of 415
Damn them coders, aye??
post #142 of 415
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsimeo View Post

About subs are also two problems. The "flashing" subs (only fractions of a second most of -external- subs are staying on screen) and secondary, character spacing wich is large, 1.01.02 was much better.

+1. Actually external subtitles are useless if they cannot be seen. They stay on screen for less than a second.
post #143 of 415
Quote:
Originally Posted by SputnikNYC View Post

I'm not going to post any issues on this forum any more

well, thank god for that. do whining posts really need to be done in bold?

GuyWD, i'm seconding Steel A Jeeg's concerns on the multiple subtitle lines issue. granted, subtitle writers could be a little bit more intelligent in their lines and just do double sentences on one time stamp:

-Hello
-Goodbye

... but it's such a common issue, especially amongst anime watching fans (which no doubt is one sizable potential market once advanced subtitle features are worked out), that it might be a good thing to address. and of course, like i've mentioned before, advanced substation alpha tag code support/hiding.
post #144 of 415
Someone has already reported that there's no change regarding the WD ejecting the drive and it spinning down so I won't bother trying 04 out. I'm just a simple user - only SD video files; 90% AVI, 5% MP4, 5% MKV. Almost never a subtitled file. All files play fine, so for me it's just the basics I'm interested in - GUI controls, preferences, HD power management. The first 2 look to be improving, but I just don't understand why the HD won't spin down now? Surely this is part of the fundamental aspects of the basic firmware? If that gets broken so easily while attempting to change/repair other issues, it doesn't bode well for ever reaching the point where everything gets sorted out once and for all, at least not during the life of the product. A cynical view I know but that's how I feel right now.
post #145 of 415
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacSimon View Post

Someone has already reported that there's no change regarding the WD ejecting the drive and it spinning down so I won't bother trying 04 out. I'm just a simple user - only SD video files; 90% AVI, 5% MP4, 5% MKV. Almost never a subtitled file. All files play fine, so for me it's just the basics I'm interested in - GUI controls, preferences, HD power management. The first 2 look to be improving, but I just don't understand why the HD won't spin down now? Surely this is part of the fundamental aspects of the basic firmware. If that gets broken so easily while attempting to change/repair other issues, it doesn't bode well for ever reaching the point where everything gets sorted out once and for all, at least not during the life of the product. A cynical view I know but that's how I feel right now.

Hi,
I am using an easy and cheap way to power down my drives connected to WD TV. I connect my drive to a usb switch. The switch has 2/4 outputs. I connect only one of those to my wdtv and the others remain empty (i connect the other to my laptop in order to transfer movies/music to wd tv without plugging/unplugging) When I finish using the wd, I change the usb switch to the other end, which is empty (or connected to a laptop in my case), and the drive shuts down. Keep in mind that I am talking about a usb switch (used to share a usb printer between 2 computers), not a usb hub.
post #146 of 415
Quote:
Originally Posted by kortez View Post

Hi, I'm experiencing problems on movies with AAC sound. There's no sound at all with all 1.02.xx firmwares (but with 1.01.xx they were playing fine). Can anybody confirm no sound on AAC audio streams?

Code:
Аудио
ID                               : 2
Format                           : AAC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version                   : Version 4
Format profile                   : LC
Format settings, SBR             : No
Codec ID                         : A_AAC
Duration                         : 1h 57min
Channel(s)                       : 6 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                    : 48,0 KHz
Resolution                       : 16 bit


I have an mkv with AAC audio. I get stereo to the TV via HDMI but it's out of sync. When trying digital output to my Amp I get nothing. Thought it may be my amp but I have played this from my PC in the past.
post #147 of 415
Quote:
Originally Posted by brooklynWebdev View Post

I've seen some chatter in related posts about the desire to display subtitles automatically, most of which state specifically that displaying subtitles by default makes sense when (and only when) external subtitle files are used. The logic being if you took the time to put the subtitle file(s) in there you probably want to use them.

Displaying subtitles by default for embedded types of media though, such as an .iso containing dvd video or mkvs containing subtitle tracks (not forced) is not the preferred behavior in my opinion. DVD players for instance don't work this way unless the disc is specifically configured too.

With the new firmware seemingly showing all subtitles by default I find myself having to go in and turn off subtitles now on a regular basis where I didn't before (every time I start and restart the same file for instance), which is annoying and getting more so as time goes on. I watch plenty of foreign films and when subtitle management is required I have no issue playing with the settings but if I'm forced to manage the subtitles otherwise it feels like the machine is making me do extra work unnecessarily, which sucks.

When external .srt files are used default subtitle display sure, the rest of the time please no. If it has to be all off or all on I say off is preferable (not just for me personally but for general usability's sake I think always assuming isn't usually a the best approach, if nothing else because of the aforementioned extra work required when not needing/wanting to deal with subtitles at all for a particular file(s)).

bd

I totally agree, that if there are external (.srt) subtitles, they must be by default ON! I think english speaking people don't put external subtitles with movies in english
post #148 of 415
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoop940 View Post

I have an mkv with AAC audio. I get stereo to the TV via HDMI but it's out of sync. When trying digital output to my Amp I get nothing. Thought it may be my amp but I have played this from my PC in the past.

Your AMP cannot decode AAC...
post #149 of 415
Has anyone notice some changes in Black Levels?

I notice some thing..., maybe...

Black leveles is a important question on WDTV.

They are not very acurate.
post #150 of 415
I will test the levels once .04 is installed...black level was OK in 1.02.03, it could be calibrated, but white level was extended to value 255 (instead of video level 235 as it should be) so it could never be properly calibrated...
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