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post #301 of 1722
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Originally Posted by AvGeek07 View Post

@djoel yeah i was commenting on your speakers. sorry man,should of put a name in my post reply. oops crap,now i want take a listen,im sure they will beat my hsu book shelfs for sure. he he



They are popping up more and more on the use market ,and if you can get a listen you are sure going to want a pair..

You have to see my gals face when they are at a relatively normal volume Intense.

Now it's Tim's show, so no more gloating from me.

Djoel
post #302 of 1722
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I'm a stickler for build quality and I have a thing for authenticity. If one is going to pay a premium for something, it should not only have top notch performance, it should be built to a higher level, and no detail should be left unturned. Likewise, if a speaker is being marketing as a high-end offering, it should live up to all of the expectations that go along with that. It is surprising how often corners are cut even in very expensive speakers.

One of my pet peeves is the use of wood screws to mount the drivers into MDF. It is quite common, and even the $16K a pair of Revel Studio2's I owned took this approach. It may be functionally fine (until you over-tighten them), but it is the quick and dirty way to mount a driver. The right way to do it is to to fit the face of the speaker with threaded inserts and use machine screws to fasten the drivers to the cabinet.

I took the liberty of removing one of the screws from the face of the mid-bass driver on the 805Di and I was relieved to see that they have used machine screws. Its sad that this should make me more satisfied with my purchase, but it does.

And everything about the speaker is built to this level. Custom binding posts; custom binding post cup; custom jumpers; custom ports; metal driver trim rings to give the face of the driver a finished appearance; a glass-smooth finish; Mundorf's best Silver/Gold caps; magnetic grill attachments to hide the attachment point when the speaker is "naked"; a cast metal tweeter enclosure; and of course the man made diamond tweeter. Even all of the screw heads are painted gloss black. No detail has been overlooked. All of these things inspire pride of ownership and support the high-end price of admission.

Whether or not someone feels the sound quality matches the price is subjective, but at least you can't argue that the fit and finish don't live up to the expectation for a speaker of this caliber.
post #303 of 1722
I completely understand having a higher level of satisfaction knowing that the innards are high quality even if you can't see them. I'm just glad I'm not a speaker maker with you as a reviewer.
post #304 of 1722
The 805di had me at the binding post Glad the B&W meet your stringent standards

I feel the same way about my JL F113, overbuilt and top notch quality.




Djoel
post #305 of 1722
No pics of these all set up in your room, hifisponge?

They are beautiful speakers, and I bet they sound incredible.
post #306 of 1722
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Originally Posted by CRAW View Post

No pics of these all set up in your room, hifisponge?

They are beautiful speakers, and I bet they sound incredible.

Hey Craw -

Still waiting on the matching stands and the rest of the speakers. More pics to come, once I have something worth showing.
post #307 of 1722
Tim,

This may be a dumb question: is there a difference between the "D" and "Di" models?
post #308 of 1722
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Originally Posted by ddgtr View Post

Tim,

This may be a dumb question: is there a difference between the "D" and "Di" models?

Yes, quite a few actually. The "Di" model line is the newest revision to the 800 series. Whereas only the 803D through the 800D had diamond tweeters before, now every model in the 800 line has a diamond tweeter. The motor design for the tweeter and the bass drivers has been changed from D to Di, the crossover has been redesigned, and there have been several cosmetic changes to the cabinet, the fittings and the finish. Gloss black was not offered in the previous D series.
post #309 of 1722
Hi Tim,

You may have already mentioned this, and if you did, I apologize. What made you decide on the B&W's over the Dynaudio C1's? I remember, quite a while ago, you mentioned in some thread that if you hadn't found the WB's you would have purchased the C1's.

Also, those B&W speakers are absolutely beautiful! I LOVE gloss black finishes. IMHO, that's the only color speakers should be (even though mine are Satin black.. I couldn't justify the cost increase of true gloss back) :-).

When I was searching for speakers during my journey, I had the pleasure to listen to the B&W 800D's (which were out of my price range, but the dealer still let me listen). Their imaging was spectacular. If the 805Di's are similar, they are truly a bargain.

Good luck with the B&W's, I hope they work out for ya.

Scott
post #310 of 1722
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Originally Posted by Mr_Superstar View Post

Hi Tim,

You may have already mentioned this, and if you did, I apologize. What made you decide on the B&W's over the Dynaudio C1's? I remember, quite a while ago, you mentioned in some thread that if you hadn't found the WB's you would have purchased the C1's.

Also, those B&W speakers are absolutely beautiful! I LOVE gloss black finishes. IMHO, that's the only color speakers should be (even though mine are Satin black.. I couldn't justify the cost increase of true gloss back) :-).

When I was searching for speakers during my journey, I had the pleasure to listen to the B&W 800D's (which were out of my price range, but the dealer still let me listen). Their imaging was spectacular. If the 805Di's are similar, they are truly a bargain.

Good luck with the B&W's, I hope they work out for ya.

Scott

Hey Scott -

Great question. I've always been torn between the smoothness / sweetness of soft dome tweets vs. the detail / precision of hard domes. I tried a few Beryllium tweets, thinking that they would be better behaved than the aluminum domes I had heard prior, while also providing better resolution, but that gamble didn't work out to well for me with the Focal Be's. The Revels were much better behaved but frankly, nothing special up top, and the overall character of that speaker was too dry and analytical.

Jump forward a bit to my time with the Dynaudio Sapphire. I really liked the treble in that speaker, much better than the Revels, but the soundstage was a bit narrow. It was at this point that I decided I really didn't need or want large tower speakers. So my next logical choice was Dynaudio C1. Then by chance I stumbled across a set of speakers on Agon that I had always been curious about--the WB Discoverys. They didn't have quite the sparkly treble I was after, but the midrange was just so organic and the soundstage so broad, that I decided to go with those.

Jump ahead another year and I listen to the B&W Signature Diamonds at a special presentation at a local dealer. Wow! These speakers had everything I was after. The sparkly, super detailed presentation, no harshness, and a sense of scale / soundstage that greatly outclassed its modest size and single 7" mid/bass driver. But damn, they are $18K a pair and there is no matching center or surrounds.

Another year later, I get the wild hair up my arse to "scale back" my system to something more modest, and during the process B&W announces the release of the new 800 Diamond line. My thoughts of buying budget speakers goes out the window, replaced by the thought of capturing some of that Diamond Signature sound for a quarter of the cost.
post #311 of 1722
Tim,

Good luck with the new B&W's. Pics are looking good...
post #312 of 1722
Hey Tim,

Not sure if you know but our local dealer has the 800di setup now I went back to listen to the 802di and 805di and saw it sitting there so I took a 45 minute listen.
post #313 of 1722
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Originally Posted by chjo100 View Post

Hey Tim,

Not sure if you know but our local dealer has the 800di setup now I went back to listen to the 802di and 805di and saw it sitting there so I took a 45 minute listen.

Have you posted your thoughts anywhere on AVS?
post #314 of 1722
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

Tim,

Good luck with the new B&W's. Pics are looking good...

Thanks Tony. Things are taking a while to come together, but within a couple of weeks there should be more progress.

Though I think the Denon needs to be replaced / repaired. Audyssey isn't correcting the sub channel.
post #315 of 1722
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Have you posted your thoughts anywhere on AVS?

I just listened to them so haven't posted thoughts anywhere. However as expected they were terrific. Had a very nice, fleshed out, weighty sound to it. For myself, if i were to get new speakers I would lean towards the 802di or 805di with subwoofer. All in all, I really am digging this new B&W series.
post #316 of 1722
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Originally Posted by chjo100 View Post

I just listened to them so haven't posted thoughts anywhere. However as expected they were terrific. Had a very nice, fleshed out, weighty sound to it. For myself, if i were to get new speakers I would lean towards the 802di or 805di with subwoofer. All in all, I really am digging this new B&W series.

Yes, a great new speaker line overall. Wonderful resolution and soundstage, though I have yet to have anything in my home that beats the WBs for a natural sounding midrange.
post #317 of 1722
Congrats on the new additions Tim. I guess you have not posted any reviews or impressions yet. I heard the old 805 series couple of years ago and played very well with jazz genre IMO. Looking forward to your thoughts and comparisons with the WB Discovery.
Happy listening.
post #318 of 1722
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CLS -

I did post my early impressions of the 805Di's anc compared them to the WBs a page back.

Here ya go: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post18425807
post #319 of 1722
The price for the 805Di looks pretty good compared to similar high performance stand mounted ones such as from WB, Focals, Sonus Fabers, Dyns ....etc. Kudos to B&W! I've not listened to the newer 800 series but one thing I really like about B&W is that their cabinet has little or no noticeable resonant or distracting boxy sound so to speak (same goes for the lower end CM1). The only diamond tweet which I've heard is from the Signature Diamond(prototype version) which was extremely detailed. This gets me excited to go out and give the 805Di a listen. Thanks again Tim.
post #320 of 1722
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Originally Posted by CLS View Post

The price for the 805Di looks pretty good compared to similar high performance stand mounted ones such as from WB, Focals, Sonus Fabers, Dyns ....etc. Kudos to B&W! I've not listened to the newer 800 series but one thing I really like about B&W is that their cabinet has little or no noticeable resonant or distracting boxy sound so to speak (same goes for the lower end CM1). The only diamond tweet which I've heard is from the Signature Diamond(prototype version) which was extremely detailed. This gets me excited to go out and give the 805Di a listen. Thanks again Tim.

Yes, as high-end stand mounts go, you could pay considerably more for a lot less. And to these ears, the 805Di are the not-so-baby brother to the Signature Diamonds. The only real difference is in the bass extension, which is still very competent on the 805Di.
post #321 of 1722
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

The manual EQ is only something that should be handling by someone that is experienced. I'm self taught, but also spent a fair amount of time consulting an acoustician. Yes the EQ is available for all channels. It would run you around $500-700 to have a pro perform the calibration.

FWIW, I just had my SSP-800 and my room "tuned" by a pro and it took about 3 hours and cost $375. Of course, depending on a room's needs, it may take longer or less time.
post #322 of 1722
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Originally Posted by chjo100 View Post

I just listened to them so haven't posted thoughts anywhere. However as expected they were terrific. Had a very nice, fleshed out, weighty sound to it. For myself, if i were to get new speakers I would lean towards the 802di or 805di with subwoofer. All in all, I really am digging this new B&W series.

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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Yes, a great new speaker line overall. Wonderful resolution and soundstage, though I have yet to have anything in my home that beats the WBs for a natural sounding midrange.

jeez guys, you're making me want to go over to DA for a listen...I must resist the temptation!
post #323 of 1722
Hey Tim what are you're going to use for the rear speakers...Or did I missed that in one of your post?


Djoel
post #324 of 1722
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Hey Tim what are you're going to use for the rear speakers...Or did I missed that in one of your post?


Djoel

Hey DJ!

I'll be using another pair of 805Di for the rears, but one of the things I haven't mentioned yet, is that I've come up with a rather creative semi-custom wall-mount for them. Its a combination of articulating TV mount with a set of brackets I had custom made to fit the 805Dis. The TV mount I selected looks very similar in design and finish to the matching B&W stands for the fronts, and it also matches my Kuro TV mount.

I scoured the internet for a speaker wall mount that I could use, and while some were passable, most of them just look cheap as hell. I really wanted something that had the fit and finish that looked like it belonged with the 805Dis. As you know, I'm very particular about the details, so I just couldn't go with an off-the-shelf solution.

Here's a peek.



The custom L bracket I had made will attach to the wall mount in the above pic.

You'll notice that the TV mount uses oval tubing covered in the same matte textured black finish as the 805Di stands below.



Look for pictures in the upcoming weeks.
post #325 of 1722
AAAAh you're going to have 5K speakers on a mount 6 feet high?

Just the same way I would go

Djoel
post #326 of 1722
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

AAAAh you're going to have 5K speakers on a mount 6 feet high?

Just the same way I would go

Djoel

Identical speakers all around. That is the goal isn't it?
post #327 of 1722
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Identical speakers all around. That is the goal isn't it?



Sounds sweet Tim, sound sweet..


DJoel
post #328 of 1722
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Sounds sweet Tim, sound sweet..


DJoel

The second set of 805Di's arrive on Monday, the HTM4Di center a week later, and the stands for the front a week after that.
post #329 of 1722
Amazing how time crawls like a little kid in school waiting for the summer when you have equipment ordered and on the way!

Lookin forward to seeing it complete!

post #330 of 1722
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Originally Posted by KahunaCanuck View Post

Amazing how time crawls like a little kid in school waiting for the summer when you have equipment ordered and on the way!

Lookin forward to seeing it complete!


Tell me about it. I've been stuck in the day before X-mas mindset for three months now!
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