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post #1471 of 3452
12/11/10 at 11:56am
8.2 will indeed be Tribune's Antenna TV, per Trip's link. We had some messages earlier (not sure if it was here or the TWC thread) that TWC will indeed add Antenna TV where they carry WJW, on 1/2/11.

Still trying to figure out where, if anywhere, Weigel's Me-TV lands in Cleveland.
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post #1472 of 3452
12/11/10 at 12:43pm
As of a few days ago, entering "8-2" still bounces you back to 8-1. I guess it's too early to expect something to appear on that channel.
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post #1473 of 3452
12/11/10 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by firemantom26 View Post

Article from Ohio Media Watch


http://ohiomediawatch.wordpress.com/



A recent FCC filing is bound to disappoint some over-air TV viewers in the immediate Akron/Canton area.

OMW uncovered two recent filings by signal-challenged Local TV Fox affiliate WJW/8 Fox 8″, to add low-power digital translators to improve the station's reception in some areas.

Unfortunately, looking at the maps for the proposed facilities on RF channel 21 and 46, those areas would be away from the core population centers of Akron and Canton, where many still struggle to capture WJW's VHF signal.

Both facilities would be located at the tower of Western Reserve PBS' Youngstown market outlet WNEO/45 Alliance in Salem.

* RF CHANNEL 21: Licensed to Canton, this 10 kW signal would aim its directional pattern at Canton, which from Salem would appear to be aimed at improving coverage east of Canton in eastern Stark County and southeast Portage County. The facility's 51 dBu contour would just make it into Canton.

* RF CHANNEL 46: Licensed to Austintown (actually in the Youngstown market), this 10 kW signal would aim its directional pattern north, apparently aimed at improving coverage in eastern Portage Countywith bonus coverage in western Trumbull and Mahoning Counties (WKBN/27, with Fox Youngstown on 27.2, can't be happy about that prospect, though its powerful RF channel 41 signal would still prevail there). The facility's 51 dBu contour would just make it into Ravenna.

The technical exhibits for both facilities say they are designed to serve areas considered an area that lost WJW analog television service after the station transitioned to digital only service based upon call-in information received to the station from affected viewers. And over-air viewers in both areas currently receive a decent signal out of WKBN's facility.

The applications' channel numbers are instructive, of course.

A quick check of the FCC database shows that the other VHF problem child in the Cleveland market, Raycom CBS affiliate WOIO/19, is still waiting for any FCC action on its proposal to land a low-power digital fill-in translator on channel 24, located in the Akron antenna farm

WHY WHY WHY WHY!!

Why doesn't WJW just do the sensible thing and move back to 31???? What's the deal with these "translators" for big-affiliation stations, like we're some third world TV market?? Same goes with WOIO. 39 is now open, and apparently 46 has been all along. Why waste time with a translator instead of going UHF with a real signal??
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post #1474 of 3452
12/11/10 at 2:09pm
46 is open for a translator on the fringe, but WRLM-47 throws a huge wrench in the idea of using it for full-power.

But yes, 31 is there, and 39 might be feasible. You can see my analysis from last year here: http://ohiomediawatch.wordpress.com/...nd-digital-tv/

- Trip
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post #1475 of 3452
12/11/10 at 11:50pm
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post
So what is this, a rebroadcast of WGN?
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post #1476 of 3452
12/12/10 at 12:20am
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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post
Yup. Shingles, nails, wood, insulation, metal foil (on some insulation), siding, snow, ice, rain, etc... all take a toll on interfering with the signal.
Plus it won't be mounted as high in an attic compared to an outdoor installation in most cases.
Example: I had a very good (and quite large) directional antenna in the attic which gave spotty results aimed properly for all locals.
This was replaced with a very small outdoor 22" omni-directional saucer with much better results.
Never knew the losses were that drastic (for an attic), I have little choice being in a condo for my auxillary antenna, the attic seemed to be the ideal choice...... again I know the roof would be a better spot for it.

My (attic) antenna is a 120 mile VHF, (a couple VHF low elements are broken did not really seem to affect it much). I am above the aluminum siding too. Now I remember years ago setting attic antennas on aluminum foil for it's reflective properties.

I am thinking of replacing this attic antenna with one with a better UHF section, however the boom was sheared in half, but it still apparently picked up 8 & 10 when last used like this.... I'm going to cut off the VHF low elements.
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post #1477 of 3452
12/12/10 at 5:18am
In my younger years working on the DEWLINE the radar radomes (60 feet in diameter) were constructed of fibreglass triangular panels 1/8" thick (approximate 5 foot size) with reinforced 4" sides 3/8" thick bolted together with steel bolts. After some of them blew away (168 knots of wind) the panels were reinforced with 3/4" thick plywood without any effect on performance. Later replaced with 1/8" fibreglass panels crimped to 3/8" aluminum frames bolted together with steel bolts with no degradation of performance. I assume the aluminum frames were "somewhat" like a quarter wavelength stub which has no effect on the operational frequency of the radar. Anazingly a 30.06 ball ammo bullet would not penetrate the 3/8" thick fibreglass.
JJK
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post #1478 of 3452
12/12/10 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post
So what is this, a rebroadcast of WGN?
Brand new channel from Tribune designed for syndication to locals for their digital subchannels. Basically another version of RetroTV with old TV shows and movies to keep content cost at rock bottom. A couple months back there was a link to a schedule but that link has gone dead so I uploaded the PDF I had saved to MediaFire.

http://www.mediafire.com/?uy3vcgllxcc5ris
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post #1479 of 3452
12/13/10 at 2:45am
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Originally Posted by HilltopStudios View Post

Brand new channel from Tribune designed for syndication to locals for their digital subchannels. Basically another version of RetroTV with old TV shows and movies to keep content cost at rock bottom. A couple months back there was a link to a schedule but that link has gone dead so I uploaded the PDF I had saved to MediaFire.

http://www.mediafire.com/?uy3vcgllxcc5ris

Digging in a bit further yesterday, I found a schedule from October (My Bad) on PDF (took a while to download this though)... so is this brand new or relatively new?

Not sure if this is the dead link you are refering to, it is getting harder & harder to be clicking on links on my antiquated PC & dialup connection.

http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2...0-09151518.pdf
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post #1480 of 3452
12/13/10 at 2:58am
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Originally Posted by JJkizak View Post

In my younger years working on the DEWLINE the radar radomes (60 feet in diameter) were constructed of fibreglass triangular panels 1/8" thick (approximate 5 foot size) with reinforced 4" sides 3/8" thick bolted together with steel bolts. After some of them blew away (168 knots of wind) the panels were reinforced with 3/4" thick plywood without any effect on performance. Later replaced with 1/8" fibreglass panels crimped to 3/8" aluminum frames bolted together with steel bolts with no degradation of performance. I assume the aluminum frames were "somewhat" like a quarter wavelength stub which has no effect on the operational frequency of the radar. Anazingly a 30.06 ball ammo bullet would not penetrate the 3/8" thick fibreglass.
JJK

I was thinking of of adding the reflector on the Gray-Hoverman antenna I have but on the link (I think this was the link) you can see foil being used as a reflector... I was thinking more on the lines of using a wire grid & a PVC pipe frame.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna/index.htm
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post #1481 of 3452
12/13/10 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

Digging in a bit further yesterday, I found a schedule from October (My Bad) on PDF (took a while to download this though)... so is this brand new or relatively new?

Not sure if this is the dead link you are refering to, it is getting harder & harder to be clicking on links on my antiquated PC & dialup connection.

http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2...0-09151518.pdf

This is a new channel launching Jan 1. Actually I read it will light up at 11 pm on New Years Eve with a Three Stooges marathon, Sunday will be a Benny Hill marathon and then Monday Jan 3 starts going by the schedule.

Nothing wrong with your connection or computer. The PDF for your link was almost 6 meg!!! The PDF of the dead link (the one I posted to MediaFire) had the exact same information without the fancy background and was only 27K in file size.
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post #1482 of 3452
12/13/10 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Why do you have to hope?

http://www.wgnamerica.com/shows/antenna/affiliates/

- Trip

On that list, WJW is listed as "Cleveland/Akron". This is not the first time I've seen its COL listed that way. The first time was over at the DBS Forums, where we were discussing the possibility of Dish Network losing FOX local stations in certain markets. Is this something new since FOX sold WJW? None of the other Cleveland stations (3 & 5) are listed that way (except for those with a different COL listed first: "Lorain/Cleveland", "Shaker Heights/Cleveland").
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post #1483 of 3452
12/14/10 at 1:00am
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Originally Posted by HilltopStudios View Post

This is a new channel launching Jan 1. Actually I read it will light up at 11 pm on New Years Eve with a Three Stooges marathon, Sunday will be a Benny Hill marathon and then Monday Jan 3 starts going by the schedule.

Nothing wrong with your connection or computer. The PDF for your link was almost 6 meg!!! The PDF of the dead link (the one I posted to MediaFire) had the exact same information without the fancy background and was only 27K in file size.

I like your version better!... just have issues with the mediafire site at times.

I was thinking this was a relatively new network, & Cleveland was picking this up, as the schedule is dated October 2010.
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post #1484 of 3452
12/14/10 at 10:09pm
Cleveland/Akron is the TV market name/designation - officially in the Nielsen books as "Cleveland/Akron (Canton)". Tribune isn't doing a legal ID for the Antenna TV list, they're listing the Nielsen market names.

It is not a legal ID for WJW, and wouldn't be even if they put "WJW Cleveland/Akron" on the IDs...which they don't. Anything after "WJW Cleveland" would be optional. They could put "WJW Cleveland/New York/Mars/Jupiter" and it would still be allowed.

Same with WUAB Lorain and WOIO Shaker Heights. They just put /Cleveland to identify with the market's main city. I've seen some legal IDs for both that don't even have /Cleveland...again, optional.

As for RF 31, is it the Canadian 31 preventing WJW from returning there, now that they actually abandoned the channel?
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post #1485 of 3452
12/16/10 at 11:09am
WJW/8.2 is live...at the moment, running an SD simulcast of the main signal.

It'll be the home of "Antenna TV" at the first of the year, of course.
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post #1486 of 3452
12/17/10 at 8:08am
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Originally Posted by Inundated View Post

WJW/8.2 is live...at the moment, running an SD simulcast of the main signal.

Running it again today. So far the audio is a good half second ahead of the video making it very annoying to watch. Oh well, they've got two more weeks to work out the bugs.
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post #1487 of 3452
12/17/10 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by HilltopStudios View Post
Running it again today. So far the audio is a good half second ahead of the video making it very annoying to watch. Oh well, they've got two more weeks to work out the bugs.
I also caught that about the time you posted, one minute 8.2 would be there, then gone, then back, then gone. 8.1 kept going dead for a few seconds at a time during that, and I never lose 8. They were simulcasting 8.1 on 8.2 but I don't know what resolution as I'm using an otherwise HD capable DVR as a converter box on an old analog CRT.
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post #1488 of 3452
12/17/10 at 12:37pm
The Vizio was freaking out when they had 8-2 up... it would lock on only 8-2 and the channel ID would flash between 2 identifiers... the Zenith and Digital Stream seemed to be OK... -Ed

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Originally Posted by dannykewl View Post
I also caught that about the time you posted, one minute 8.2 would be there, then gone, then back, then gone. 8.1 kept going dead for a few seconds at a time during that, and I never lose 8. They were simulcasting 8.1 on 8.2 but I don't know what resolution as I'm using an otherwise HD capable DVR as a converter box on an old analog CRT.
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post #1489 of 3452
12/18/10 at 7:59am
8-2's back up and working better today... Zenith box is having lip sync issues...
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post #1490 of 3452
12/21/10 at 8:51am
8-2 on again now, with simulcast of 8-1. No lip sync problems with Insignia box.

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8-2's back up and working better today... Zenith box is having lip sync issues...
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post #1491 of 3452
12/22/10 at 1:56am
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Originally Posted by nsa1062 View Post

8-2 on again now, with simulcast of 8-1. No lip sync problems with Insignia box.

I'm finally catching 8-2, as they are running overnight today.... now wish I could get the signal upstairs off the attic antenna.
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post #1492 of 3452
12/22/10 at 6:23am
For all you DirecTV viewers, Raycom is the next group threatening to pull their channels from Directv on December 31st...including WOIO & WUAB. Better fire up those antennas, or be prepared to get your CBS programming from anyone but WOIO if you live outside of Cuyahoga County!
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post #1493 of 3452
12/22/10 at 6:37am
Now running continuous promos for Antenna TV shows on 8-2 as of a few minutes ago.

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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

I'm finally catching 8-2, as they are running overnight today.... now wish I could get the signal upstairs off the attic antenna.
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post #1494 of 3452
12/22/10 at 7:09am
Hope their quality will be better than the promo reel...

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Originally Posted by nsa1062 View Post

Now running continuous promos for Antenna TV shows on 8-2 as of a few minutes ago.
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post #1495 of 3452
12/22/10 at 7:15am
Looks like a de-interlacing problem (since it looks fine with no motion), probably WJW's encoder is not set up correctly for an interlaced source (I assume Antenna TV is 480i), and Fox has always been progressive format. This would be my guess, anyway. I'm sure they'll have bugs like this worked out soon.

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Hope their quality will be better than the promo reel...
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post #1496 of 3452
12/22/10 at 7:36am
According to WIVM-52's Facebook page, Over-the-air WIVN-29 New Philly/Coshocton is digital as of today, with plans to add 3 new channels in January, which will be announced as plans are finalized..

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/WIVM-TV/99409538903
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post #1497 of 3452
12/22/10 at 11:05am
the Vizio is seeing 480i on 8-2...

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Originally Posted by nsa1062 View Post

Looks like a de-interlacing problem (since it looks fine with no motion), probably WJW's encoder is not set up correctly for an interlaced source (I assume Antenna TV is 480i), and Fox has always been progressive format. This would be my guess, anyway. I'm sure they'll have bugs like this worked out soon.
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post #1498 of 3452
12/22/10 at 11:07am
I see their application for RF-39 is now a construction permit...

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Originally Posted by Tim Lones View Post

According to WIVM-52's Facebook page, Over-the-air WIVN-29 New Philly/Coshocton is digital as of today, with plans to add 3 new channels in January, which will be announced as plans are finalized..

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/WIVM-TV/99409538903
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post #1499 of 3452
12/22/10 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by Tim Lones View Post

According to WIVM-52's Facebook page, Over-the-air WIVN-29 New Philly/Coshocton is digital as of today, with plans to add 3 new channels in January, which will be announced as plans are finalized..

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/WIVM-TV/99409538903

Yes, they are now on with a digital signal. After reading your posting, I pointed my antenna in their direction and am receiving a 68-70% signal here in SW Canton. I could only receive a very weak analog signal previously. (Pointing the antenna in the opposite direction still reveals a very snowy WAOH.) I wonder what programming will be on the other subchannels they're planning?
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post #1500 of 3452
12/23/10 at 8:31am
What are the rf channels of WIVM for both.
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