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Meant to mention that I am receivng WIVM-LD with a Terk Indoor Amplified antenna..Analog It was always snowy..

Multipath was always my problem with 52 analog... They've removed 52 from their ID slide... -Ed

Nope, not even a hint of the signal in Northwest Akron, which shouldn't surprise me given their location and power (and I get nothing out of 52, either ).

I am in Canton (Belden Village area) and I am looking to install an OTA antenna. I used to tvfools.com to determine that I am about 38-39 miles away from the Cleveland towers. I am thinking about buying an RCA ANT751 . Will this get a good signal on 3, 5, 8, 19, and 55? Those are the only stations that I need to get. Is there a better choice? I am looking for something that I can eave mount.

I wouldn't expect this antenna to get 8 or 19 since both are on VHF and already hard to get. To me, that antenna just doesn't look like it would work very well. The distance rating isn't that great, and they tend to exagerrate those anyways. I've recommended the Antennacraft HBU33 before, and it's worked well for me. It's got good ratings, and it's not much more money. It's designed for all the channels you want. If you checked tvfool.com, make sure the NM (noise margin) levels are at least above zero, perhaps around 10 dB. This will give you an idea if you at least have a shot at receiving the channel you want for your address.

From Perry Township, near the Meyers Lake.
39.1 and 39.4 are broadcasting with programming.
39.2 and 39.3 have test patterns this morning.

I have my Digital Rotor set at 82 degrees, with Zero at Due North, per my best guess.

Yes. However channel 19, which has some power limitation's, as they interfere with some Canadian Broadcasting. They have filed for an additional tower in the Akron Region, but that has yet to be approved, at my last search on this topic.

If you add a rotor, channel 27.1 out of Youngstown carries CBS programming, as well as FOX on 27.2.

Theyve been that way since Saturday..WIVM announced on their Facebook Page that one of the other channels will be Tuff TV, companion channel to RTV and will be on "very soon"

In my area, I can receive a 100% signal from channel 19 by using the HBU33. I live right next to the tower they're planning on placing the additional transmitter. I can see it outside my window. I imagine that some of WOIO's signal can reach Stark County if you have the right antenna and you live in an ideal location. TVfool.com is a good tool to use to determine if they're powerful enough to make it that far south. It will give you the predicted noise margin at any address. This is somewhat accurate. I can also receive WKBN 27 at my location, but the signal is much weaker than channel 19. The HBU33 antenna performs very well on channels 7-13. That is why I recommend using it for WOIO or WJW.

Also, VHF signals behave differently than UHF. They require less power, can travel farther, and there are antennas designed to pick up VHF channels farther away than UHF.

Like today!

They've announced 39-3 will have AMGTV...

23 & 17 playing around with the tower or power? 23 was completely dead on Thursday afternoon, & has a very weak signal now & 17 has a very diminished signal... both are now unrecievable.

Edit:
Still weak (non receivable) today on both channels, thought might had been a weather related, probably reorienting patterns for viewers to the west &/or south.... occasionally will catch a biblical cartoon on 17, but I'll really miss 23 ION life.

23 is pretty much gone here in the Puritas neighborhood too, I used to be able to get a lock on 23 maybe 90% of the time, now I can't even get the attic antenna to lock on to it more than a few seconds when moving the antenna around, just can't get a "sweet spot" now, that's stable at all. So the signal's not being shifted NW that I can tell. 17 was always a rare catch here.

I noticed 3.2 is off the air here, it says "scanning", then a blue screen. 3.1 is fine.

23 is strong here in Salem at 98-100% on my Dish DTVPal DVR. I'm about 40 miles from its transmitter. 3.2 is blank, but the normal music is playing but skipping every couple of seconds.

23's been the same as usual here (Medina Co.) over the last week - weak/marginal, but OK with the antenna pointed straight towards Akron.

Don't know about 17, since I never watch / deleted from my channel lineup.

3.2 is fine for me.

Something happened last week the day it rained before the last big snow, but strange I lost both at the same time. 23 came in here with a 50-70% signal about 95% of the time, now it's down to <30%, where 17 was a about an 80% catch, with a 40-60% signal (after they transitioned to 49).... nothing appears to be wrong with the antenna, & every other channel is the same.

Figuring they are on the same stick or farm & something happened between me & them (obstruction) that day..... thought eventually I would lose 23 someday way up here (that was a surprise bonus on June 12 2009).

Would be nice to get a translator/repeater up here.

23 and 17 are very close to each other, but aren't the same facility. They're about a half-mile apart just north of what's left of Rolling Acres Mall.

23 shares its tower with WONE/97.5 (former sister radio station) and I believe at least two FM translators - I believe the 91.7 and 102.5 used by EMF/K-Love/Air 1.

I don't think there's anything else on the 17 tower.

49 is in the same farm area, a couple of miles or three up Cleveland-Massillon Road...and shares its own tower with WQMX/94.9, FM sister of WONE (and WAKR/1590, which isn't in the area, but is in South Akron).

Last night I rescanned and 56.1, 56.2, 56.3 came in and blew away 43.1, 43.2. I also now get the 56 channels on 43.1 plus there are three more channels with weird numbers, 43.197 etc.
JJK

WEAO-49 is on its own tower. All the radio stations, WZIP, WKSU, and WQMX are on a slightly shorter tower next to it, yet at almost the same location. WHLO has a couple towers southwest of the intersection of Minor Road and Cleveland-Massillon Road. I drive through that area all the time.

WAPS-FM and WAKN-LP are also on the same tower at WVPX-23.

WDLI-17 is on it's own tower.

That isn't correct. WKSU and WQMX have both main and auxiliary antennas on WEAO's tower. WZIP is also on the WEAO tower.

Do an FCC query for WEAO and WQMX, and you'll notice that the coordinates don't match exactly. I always assumed that WQMX was using the shorter tower right next to the large one, but now I'm beginning to wonder. It looks like the coordinates for WZIP and WKSU match WEAO.

You're making the assumption that the coordinates on file with the FCC are correct, which they usually are but sometimes aren't. Particularly since the FAA and any modern map/map software uses NAD83 coordinates while the FCC is still using NAD27.

Just saying.

- Trip

Tropospheric refraction was happening that day and your set scanned WTVS in Detroit (RF channel 43 and virtual channel 56 - and, yes, before analog shutoff, WTVS-DT and WUAB analog could make each other miserable when "trop" was in).
56.1 is the main PBS channel for the Detroit area
56.2 carries an alternative PBS program stream that is timeshifted (if you don't like the program on 56.1, try 56.2). This is a rare stream that is in widescreen SD 480i - it appears as a squished square on some widescreen sets unless the aspect ratio is reset.
56.3 is the "Create" channel seen on nearly every PBS affiliate.
43.197 is part of this same stream - in carries "update TV" data that TV sets cannot decode.

Itsthemultipath:
Thanks. I scanned again and 43.1 & 2 came back in as usual. I also noticed analog 9 comes in during the tropo effect.

JJK

9 is from Windsor, ON.

Nice pictures of the new WKSU antenna installation... Brrrr! -Ed

Usually.

CFTO in Toronto may also come in there if "trop" is really good over the lake.