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post #2071 of 3456
8/14/11 at 9:31am
Did anyone notice video stuttering or jitter on Saturday's WKYC football game?
Seemed like they were dropping frames.
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post #2072 of 3456
8/14/11 at 9:49am
Yes, 24 is carrying Me-TV on 19.2 (mapped just like RF 10 is). Like 44 in Youngstown, WNEO's translator, which carries all the WNEO/WEAO subs.

Of course, those who can pick up both RF 44 and RF 45 (out of Salem) get EIGHT 45.x channels
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post #2073 of 3456
8/14/11 at 9:51am
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Originally Posted by nsa1062 View Post

Not that I am aware of, although either 19 or 43 will be adding another sub for Bounce pretty soon (hope it's 43, as 19 is bandwidth-starved enough as it is).

Trip at RabbitEars seems to think Bounce will land on 19.3.

Why? Because if Raycom wants to do ATSC M/H at all (mobile), they will do it on 43, because it is on UHF 28. VHF is not very mobile-stream friendly.
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post #2074 of 3456
8/14/11 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by HilltopStudios View Post

Which is why my wife usually referred to Weather Now as the Tim Misny channel.

Tim is still on 19.2 in its Me-TV incarnation, though it seems he's not in heavy rotation like he was on WeatherNow.

Only in Cleveland can a lawyer with a catch phrase, who buys a truckload of TV time, become a quasi-celebrity. "19 Action News" actually did a short story on their client in Elvis Presley garb at some local event.

No, I'm not making that up.
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post #2075 of 3456
8/14/11 at 10:32am
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Originally Posted by Inundated View Post

Tim is still on 19.2 in its Me-TV incarnation, though it seems he's not in heavy rotation like he was on WeatherNow.
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Only in Cleveland can a lawyer with a catch phrase, who buys a truckload of TV time, become a quasi-celebrity. "19 Action News" actually did a short story on their client in Elvis Presley garb at some local event.

No, I'm not making that up.

I went to high school with Tim Misney (St. Joe's class of '73) and my wife went to high school with Bob Serpentini (Byzantine class of '75). Our two classmates collectively do their part to keep local TV alive and well. $$$
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post #2076 of 3456
8/14/11 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by Inundated View Post

Trip at RabbitEars seems to think Bounce will land on 19.3.

Why? Because if Raycom wants to do ATSC M/H at all (mobile), they will do it on 43, because it is on UHF 28. VHF is not very mobile-stream friendly.

Good point, although I would hate to see any more bandwidth taken from CBS - it is already a pixelated mess on live sports even on my 46" LCD display.

WUAB has like 3 hours of HD content a day (if you can call MyNetwork TV and Action News content ) - unless they have plans to do HD syndication at some point.
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post #2077 of 3456
8/14/11 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by Speedskater View Post

Did anyone notice video stuttering or jitter on Saturday's WKYC football game?
Seemed like they were dropping frames.

It's still dropping frames now, during the Indians game. I was just about to post a question regarding weather conditions and OTA digital, but it was not raining yesterday so it can't be the weather. The STO feed on Dish Network does not drop frames so it's not the weather. (my STO feed just dropped out due to the rain so it's back to OTA for me). I prefer the OTA if not for the dropped frames.

The game just went to rain delay,

Back to WKYC, the drop frames are happening on commercials too. I wish their engineer would read these posts the way WKBN & WFMJ's engineers do.
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post #2078 of 3456
8/14/11 at 10:52am
I'm watching WKYC 3-2 right now. I can see a live person moving the cursor and zooming into the storm. Why can't they put live audio on that channel instead of the perpetual looping music bed? I'm really sick of hearing that music.

Now that ch 3's weather channel is the only game in town now they should consider adding a live meteorologist like WOIO used to have.
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post #2079 of 3456
8/14/11 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by Inundated View Post

Tim is still on 19.2 in its Me-TV incarnation, though it seems he's not in heavy rotation like he was on WeatherNow.

Only in Cleveland can a lawyer with a catch phrase, who buys a truckload of TV time, become a quasi-celebrity. "19 Action News" actually did a short story on their client in Elvis Presley garb at some local event.

No, I'm not making that up.

Remember last year when the Cleveland local stations filmed a video in an attempt to convince a local Akron basketball player to stay in Cleveland and not take his talents to South Beach. Attorney Misney was front and center singing his heart out in that video, along with the Cleveland news anchors. That tells you just how popular this guy is.
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post #2080 of 3456
8/14/11 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by nsa1062 View Post

Not that I am aware of, although either 19 or 43 will be adding another sub for Bounce pretty soon (hope it's 43, as 19 is bandwidth-starved enough as it is).

I guess no more WJET/24 Erie when the Tropo is in

Never took that into consideration, though I'm pretty sure my heartbeat on 24 would be from Erie... hopefully WOIO out a null to the northeast on 24... (they seem to be pretty good at that )

I seldom get Erie here anyway.... 66 seems to be their strongest.
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post #2081 of 3456
8/14/11 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

Never took that into consideration, though I'm pretty sure my heartbeat on 24 would be from Erie... hopefully WOIO out a null to the northeast on 24... (they seem to be pretty good at that )

I seldom get Erie here anyway.... 66 seems to be their strongest.

Surprisingly, Erie Chs. 24 and 66 are/were my most common out-of-market digital stations when the tropo is in, even though I am on the far southwest side. I guess the terrain is most favorable in that direction (all pretty much downhill towards the lake).

When 24 and 66 are in, I usually get a heartbeat on 16 (which I assume is WSEE), but have never gotten a lock. WICU/12 and the PBS on RF50 (I think it's WLQN?) are not possible because of WMFD (RF 12) and WEAO, respectively (though WEAO often disappears when the Erie stations are in, no doubt due to the interference of the Erie PBS).
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post #2082 of 3456
8/14/11 at 5:13pm
Receiving RF 24 on an amplified indoor antenna in North Canton... not much fade margin but it's been pretty solid the last 2 days... seeing almost 15 dB difference in the SNR between RF 23 and 24 ... surprised at the difference in fine detail between virtual 27-1 and 19-1 during Sunday golf... -Ed
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post #2083 of 3456
8/14/11 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

I'm watching WKYC 3-2 right now. I can see a live person moving the cursor and zooming into the storm. Why can't they put live audio on that channel instead of the perpetual looping music bed? I'm really sick of hearing that music.

I've noticed that before also... wonder if the audio is on an internet stream somewhere... someone said the music was custom made...
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post #2084 of 3456
8/14/11 at 6:12pm
I can see the tower for the new WOIO transmitter. I can now pick up the station with a paper clip here in Norton.
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post #2085 of 3456
8/14/11 at 8:35pm
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Originally Posted by wd8kct View Post

...surprised at the difference in fine detail between virtual 27-1 and 19-1 during Sunday golf... -Ed

Pittsburgh's KDKA-DT, 2.1 (rf 25) is a CBS owned and operated station that currently broadcasts no sub-channels. Its HD picture quality is superior to both 27-1 and 19-1, and it's not even close.
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post #2086 of 3456
8/15/11 at 4:32am
Noticed yesterday that 24.1 & 24.2 are a bit erratic but not too bad. I get 19.1 solid so no big deal. No problem with pixilation. Once in a while will get color banding on some comercials.
JJK
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post #2087 of 3456
8/15/11 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by wd8kct View Post

I've noticed that before also... wonder if the audio is on an internet stream somewhere... someone said the music was custom made...

The topic of this music look came up before here. Music is from the UK if I remember right.

I don't know if I'd want to find it as it can grind on your nerves... been going for 2 years straight now.

What 3 had before was Ideal;, what they need to cut over to a temp/forecast map at times... Yes though the radar is useful, especially yesterday.
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post #2088 of 3456
8/15/11 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by nsa1062 View Post
Surprisingly, Erie Chs. 24 and 66 are/were my most common out-of-market digital stations when the tropo is in, even though I am on the far southwest side. I guess the terrain is most favorable in that direction (all pretty much downhill towards the lake).

When 24 and 66 are in, I usually get a heartbeat on 16 (which I assume is WSEE), but have never gotten a lock. WICU/12 and the PBS on RF50 (I think it's WLQN?) are not possible because of WMFD (RF 12) and WEAO, respectively (though WEAO often disappears when the Erie stations are in, no doubt due to the interference of the Erie PBS).
12 which was once the strongest Erie in my area, I have never locked, in fact I have locked the Mansfield 12 (virtual 68) several times. Never locked 16 or 50 (virtual 54). I am about 60-65 from Erie's transmitters with no obstructions.
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post #2089 of 3456
8/15/11 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by OTA Newbie View Post
I understand about running things to the ground; we do the same thing here! I have noticed the price of those flat screens dropping, but for now, the $40 converter box is still the cheaper route!

You might as well leave the boxes powered all winter; from what I hear, leaving the power on for those "vampire" appliances will cost about $10 or less per year. Personal aggravation might outweigh the cost in this instance!
Personally after seeing all that shiny 'elegant & pretty' 'Piano Black' finishes on the tv's I think I'll wait before dealing with that eyesore... but I don't want an 'internet dependent' set either.

It's taking about 10 minutes for my '95 Sony to warm up & get a picture (& thats in the summer), not sure what is happening here now when I toggle between the video modes the tube goes dark & there is a delay of about 5 seconds there too... something is on it's way out.

Come to think of it though I leave my 7 watt night light on my range hood 24/7 & still everything is becoming a vampire appliance now so they claim. I wonder why these really isn't a thing on these TV's & such as a on/off switch, even my old '92 Sylvania console (which I sold 2 years back) always had a hiss in the speaker even when off & plugged in.
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post #2090 of 3456
8/16/11 at 3:54am
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... but I don't want an 'internet dependent' set either.....

Just don't use that feature. No HDTV "depends" on internet access, it's just an added feature.

I haven't looked at the HDTV market in a while but my two HDTV's do indeed have an actual OFF button. Such buttons are rarely used by consumers so the mfr's may not even bother with them anymore. People want to use their remotes (IR or BT) to turn ON their devices so the device cannot be truly "OFF" if you want it to see and respond to the remote command to turn ON.

Might also be that the firmware in the newer TV's is volatile, meaning the settings etc... may get erased if the TV does not have power for an extended period of time. Just a guess though.
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post #2091 of 3456
8/16/11 at 6:46am
Its called Royalty Free Music.
Lotsa sources for it on the internet.
They use it because they never have to pay performance royalties on it ever.
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post #2092 of 3456
8/16/11 at 8:08am
5-2 is up with bars and tone... WEWSSD1
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post #2093 of 3456
8/16/11 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by wd8kct View Post

5-2 is up with bars and tone... WEWSSD1

I see that... I'm getting an analog on 4 today, looks like a siding/window infomertial... no sound (muted).

Dirty Crime Warner Cable again?
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post #2094 of 3456
8/16/11 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post

Just don't use that feature. No HDTV "depends" on internet access, it's just an added feature.

I haven't looked at the HDTV market in a while but my two HDTV's do indeed have an actual OFF button. Such buttons are rarely used by consumers so the mfr's may not even bother with them anymore. People want to use their remotes (IR or BT) to turn ON their devices so the device cannot be truly "OFF" if you want it to see and respond to the remote command to turn ON.

Might also be that the firmware in the newer TV's is volatile, meaning the settings etc... may get erased if the TV does not have power for an extended period of time. Just a guess though.

Even when the off button is used (much like my STB) it's on a stanby mode, only way to completely take power off is by unplugging.

Case in point, I picked up a less expensive Blue Ray player for the parents last holiday season, the first thing it wanted when powering up was 'Need to connect to internet'. I simply did not want anything that complicated, I don't want U-Toob, Voodo, Netflix (all associated with some sort of 'EZ monthly' fee of course). I simply wanted something that would play a Blu Ray Disc. That's why I went out & searched for an old stock Blu ray 1.1 for myself.

Now as I may be needing a set soon myself I shudder to think of what features I'll have to buy into that will only confuse the operation. When I turn on my old Phillips it now defaults to CC1 on, a feature I seldom use. Personally I really hate gadgets & extras, because 1) they hinder with normal operation, 2) they break, & are expensive to fix.
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post #2095 of 3456
8/16/11 at 1:09pm
That canned music is computer generated and is not copyrightable unless someone copyrights a particular song used in a commercial or other stuff. You can tell as it repeats itself constantly. There are no commercial songs or melodies. It basically is worse than dog breadth.
JJK
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post #2096 of 3456
8/16/11 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

12 which was once the strongest Erie in my area, I have never locked, in fact I have locked the Mansfield 12 (virtual 68) several times. Never locked 16 or 50 (virtual 54). I am about 60-65 from Erie's transmitters with no obstructions.

Ditto here in Medina Co, back in the day, 12 was the most common Erie station, followed by 35 (before W35AX signed on). 24 was very rare (I don't think 66 signed on until the 90's). Once WMFD-DT signed on, analog 12 became very rare, but I did catch it a few times before they flash-cut to digital.
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post #2097 of 3456
8/16/11 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by nsa1062 View Post
Ditto here in Medina Co, back in the day, 12 was the most common Erie station, followed by 35 (before W35AX signed on). 24 was very rare (I don't think 66 signed on until the 90's). Once WMFD-DT signed on, analog 12 became very rare, but I did catch it a few times before they flash-cut to digital.
Technically, WMFD did not "flash-cut", as their analog signal was on ch 68. The only stations that "flash-cut" in our market was WVPX 23, and WJW 8.
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post #2098 of 3456
8/17/11 at 1:26am
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Originally Posted by nsa1062 View Post

Ditto here in Medina Co, back in the day, 12 was the most common Erie station, followed by 35 (before W35AX signed on). 24 was very rare (I don't think 66 signed on until the 90's). Once WMFD-DT signed on, analog 12 became very rare, but I did catch it a few times before they flash-cut to digital.

Don't ever believe I got a watchable 35. 66 came on in the mid/late 80's, that always seemed to be Erie's second strongest station.

I'm sure W35AX did have something to do with nulling out WSEE, though never got a watchable signal from either.
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post #2099 of 3456
8/17/11 at 3:10am
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Originally Posted by OTA Newbie View Post

Oh, sorry, I meant to say that my Zinwell boxes are the sensitive ones, not the TV's - LOL- they are almost as old as your TV's! But it makes me wonder if those digital tv's have decent enough tuners to pick up some of the weaker signals?

I understand about running things to the ground; we do the same thing here! I have noticed the price of those flat screens dropping, but for now, the $40 converter box is still the cheaper route!

I'm thinking these newer generation of flat screens are cheaper for reasons, the ones from 4-5 years back may be more 'bullet proof'.

Yes, the newer ones are 'feature rich' & the higher resolution/refresh rates are better, though these are seem tinny enough to break sooner... & (like anything else made today) cost more to fix than what they are worth.

The tuners in those boxes may be better than what you are going to get in the set. I noted the sets made in the early to mid 80's had great sensitivity. As everyone flocked to cable the manufactures cheapened up on the OTA tuners as the majority would never even notice.

I'll likely (when I upgrade to a flat screen) always run one of these STB's on an aux input just in case.
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post #2100 of 3456
8/17/11 at 4:36am
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

Even when the off button is used (much like my STB) it's on a stanby mode, only way to completely take power off is by unplugging.

Case in point, I picked up a less expensive Blue Ray player for the parents last holiday season, the first thing it wanted when powering up was 'Need to connect to internet'. I simply did not want anything that complicated, I don't want U-Toob, Voodo, Netflix (all associated with some sort of 'EZ monthly' fee of course). I simply wanted something that would play a Blu Ray Disc. That's why I went out & searched for an old stock Blu ray 1.1 for myself.

Now as I may be needing a set soon myself I shudder to think of what features I'll have to buy into that will only confuse the operation. When I turn on my old Phillips it now defaults to CC1 on, a feature I seldom use. Personally I really hate gadgets & extras, because 1) they hinder with normal operation, 2) they break, & are expensive to fix.

Yes, with some devices the button is just standby. Not true with my two TV's. You can place such items on a switched outlet or switched power strip if needed.

I'd bet you there is a way to use that BD player absent the internet. Though I'd always suggest at least initially connecting such devices to the internet for the latest firmware update which may resolve issues in the factory installed firmware, then disconnect it from the internet. I've hooked up several such devices for friends & family, some of which do not have internet.

Not sure what "features you will have to buy into" means in regards to you buying a new TV, but just ask in here and we'll guide you through any hiccups. Your luddite personality postings are comical, but honestly it seems it is becoming an obsession.
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