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post #2281 of 3485
10/11/11 at 5:42am
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Originally Posted by Andrew K View Post

Although it may be a bit off topic for this OTA forum... those interested in DXing may be interested. Last night, I was playing around with the dish setup I previously posted pictures of, and I rotated the dish as far east as I could. I was able to pick up local broadcast channels from Spain, Cuba, Uruguay, and Argentina. I'm pretty sure I was get the majority of all Cuban TV channels. The dish had a clear view east, and was able to pick up satellites as low to the horizon as 15 degrees east.

Wow! That's pretty impressive!

Are you still getting them this morning?
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post #2282 of 3485
10/11/11 at 5:45am
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Originally Posted by OTA Newbie View Post

Wow! That's pretty impressive!

Are you still getting them this morning?

It's with the satellite dish... I get them all the time. Although, that would be impressive if I got these with a terrestrial antenna.
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post #2283 of 3485
10/11/11 at 5:48am
43 is still receiving a weak signal this morning and now 19 is gone, but getting 23 via outdoor antenna (as opposed to the indoor setup), albeit very weak.

Not surprisingly, that Spanish channel is still pulling 100 percent signal.....

I swear that channel would still come in if we disconnected the antenna!
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post #2284 of 3485
10/11/11 at 5:49am
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Originally Posted by Andrew K View Post

It's with the satellite dish... I get them all the time. Although, that would be impressive if I got these with a terrestrial antenna.

Hey, what do I know? I still find it impressive!
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post #2285 of 3485
10/11/11 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by OTA Newbie View Post

43 is still receiving a weak signal this morning and now 19 is gone, but getting 23 via outdoor antenna (as opposed to the indoor setup), albeit very weak.

Not surprisingly, that Spanish channel is still pulling 100 percent signal.....

I swear that channel would still come in if we disconnected the antenna!

What is there on RF28 that would kill WUAB? I'm sure in the case of WOIO it is the usual pest CFPL (with the Canadians booming in this morning).
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post #2286 of 3485
10/11/11 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by Andrew K View Post

I was able to pick up local broadcast channels from Spain, Cuba, Uruguay, and Argentina. I'm pretty sure I was get the majority of all Cuban TV channels. The dish had a clear view east, and was able to pick up satellites as low to the horizon as 15 degrees east.

How big a dish?
C & Ku?
-Ed
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post #2287 of 3485
10/11/11 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by nsa1062 View Post

What is there on RF28 that would kill WUAB? I'm sure in the case of WOIO it is the usual pest CFPL (with the Canadians booming in this morning).

RF29 WGTE, I agree 61 (RF34) has a rock solid signal even better than 5, nothing seems to flake it out.
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post #2288 of 3485
10/11/11 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by JJkizak View Post

I was receiving 38.1 thru 4 for a while last night.
JJK

Where from? I occasionally get blips on 38.

RF 40 WHIZ seemed to be the longest DX for me last night, & pretty strong too.

I'm assuming CBET 9 is the repeater from Windsor for a Toronto affiliate?
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post #2289 of 3485
10/11/11 at 1:14pm
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Originally Posted by wd8kct View Post

How big a dish?
C & Ku?
-Ed

It's a 30" diameter (76 cm) dish... the Winegard DS-2076. It's not huge. It's the same one I posted pictures of on the last page of this thread. All the channels I've been receiving are Ku-band. I don't think this size dish is even worth trying to get C-band. I was excited yesterday when I realized I could pick up a couple more satellites I thought were too low to the horizon. I got one satellite positioned at 15 degrees west (only 8.8 degrees above the horizon) and another at 30 degrees west, which has about 54 TV channels on it.
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post #2290 of 3485
10/11/11 at 3:28pm
The FCC has allowed, in principle, to let WJW change to channel 31. More paperwork to go, but the biggest hurdle is now past for them.
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post #2291 of 3485
10/11/11 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by nsa1062 View Post

What is there on RF28 that would kill WUAB? I'm sure in the case of WOIO it is the usual pest CFPL (with the Canadians booming in this morning).

WCMZ Flint, perhaps?

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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

Where from? I occasionally get blips on 38.

Based on the subchannel numbers offered, I am going to guess WADL-39.

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I'm assuming CBET 9 is the repeater from Windsor for a Toronto affiliate?

CBET is an originating CBC station. If it was a repeater, it would be analog.

- Trip
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post #2292 of 3485
10/11/11 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

The FCC has allowed, in principle, to let WJW change to channel 31. More paperwork to go, but the biggest hurdle is now past for them.

That's good news, I get the Skyfox IFB mix-minus feed on 455.05 more reliably that the VHF OTA... -Ed
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post #2293 of 3485
10/11/11 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

The FCC has allowed, in principle, to let WJW change to channel 31. More paperwork to go, but the biggest hurdle is now past for them.

Woo hoo!

With WOIO's LD 24 translator down here, I'll have all the full-power locals when WJW moves.

Great news!
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post #2294 of 3485
10/11/11 at 7:02pm
WRAP surrendered it's Class A Status and is now going to be just a LP Station that is why WJW can go to 31 http://www.fcc.gov/document/wjwtv-pr...cleveland-ohio
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post #2295 of 3485
10/11/11 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

CBET is an originating CBC station. If it was a repeater, it would be analog.

- Trip

CBET is a special CBC affiliate. As a "border station" it does not carry any CBC programming that duplicates programs on the U.S. stations from Detroit. Syndicated programs like "Wheel & Jeopardy" as well as any network shows (I'm not aware of any on CBC, the only U.S. programs I've seen on ch 40 back when it was still analog was the 2 syndicated game shows). CBC has the most original programming of any Canadian network. The rest of the Canadian nets carry many of the same fare we get on the "big 4" U.S. nets, just mixed up.
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post #2296 of 3485
10/12/11 at 12:03am
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Based on the subchannel numbers offered, I am going to guess WADL-39.



CBET is an originating CBC station. If it was a repeater, it would be analog.

- Trip

My terminology was wrong then (repeater), meant a Windsor affiliate. Though the Local News was out of Toronto on CBET.
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post #2297 of 3485
10/12/11 at 4:50am
Detroit is the location of 38.1.
JJK
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post #2298 of 3485
10/12/11 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

My terminology was wrong then (repeater), meant a Windsor affiliate. Though the Local News was out of Toronto on CBET.

Windsor once again has its own full-time newsroom.

http://cbc.ca/windsor

I believe they were at one point relaying CBLT's newscasts due to budget concerns, but they've been back on their own for the past few years. You can even watch the Windsor shows with anchor Susan Pedler on that page.

CBLN in London, though, is a CBLT repeater, and you do see the Toronto content on that station - which has now moved from analog 40 to analog 23 at lower power, while the CBC figures out what it will do with the repeaters. They were not involved in the mandatory transition, though CBLN moved to 23 at that point (still analog).

Of course, that channel move (on channel with WVPX here) and power reduction means CBLN is likely history along the Lake Erie shoreline in Ohio, even in the best atmospheric conditions.
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post #2299 of 3485
10/12/11 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

CBET is a special CBC affiliate. As a "border station" it does not carry any CBC programming that duplicates programs on the U.S. stations from Detroit. Syndicated programs like "Wheel & Jeopardy" as well as any network shows (I'm not aware of any on CBC, the only U.S. programs I've seen on ch 40 back when it was still analog was the 2 syndicated game shows). CBC has the most original programming of any Canadian network. The rest of the Canadian nets carry many of the same fare we get on the "big 4" U.S. nets, just mixed up.


Actually they were showing all the CBC bumpers, & seemed to have original Canadian Programing, there was a couple of talk shows around 3-4am that were Toronto based.... so wondered what city it was originating out of, I did not see any US programming on it. (of course I'm not too familiar with many US Prime Time shows either).
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post #2300 of 3485
10/12/11 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

Actually they were showing all the CBC bumpers, & seemed to have original Canadian Programing, there was a couple of talk shows around 3-4am that were Toronto based.... so wondered what city it was originating out of, I did not see any US programming on it. (of course I'm not too familiar with many US Prime Time shows either).

When did you see this, by the way?

As noted above, CBET has changed over the years.
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post #2301 of 3485
10/12/11 at 4:02pm
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

The FCC has allowed, in principle, to let WJW change to channel 31. More paperwork to go, but the biggest hurdle is now past for them.

Trip
How long will this take to switch over?
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post #2302 of 3485
10/12/11 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by Inundated View Post

Windsor once again has its own full-time newsroom.

http://cbc.ca/windsor

I believe they were at one point relaying CBLT's newscasts due to budget concerns, but they've been back on their own for the past few years. You can even watch the Windsor shows with anchor Susan Pedler on that page.

CBLN in London, though, is a CBLT repeater, and you do see the Toronto content on that station - which has now moved from analog 40 to analog 23 at lower power, while the CBC figures out what it will do with the repeaters. They were not involved in the mandatory transition, though CBLN moved to 23 at that point (still analog).

Of course, that channel move (on channel with WVPX here) and power reduction means CBLN is likely history along the Lake Erie shoreline in Ohio, even in the best atmospheric conditions.

That's a bummer about CBLN. I used to watch it when the skip was up. What about the other analog Canadian stations like 42 (IIRC it's a CKCO repeater)? I used to get about 4 analog signals out of Canada in the upper UHF, a couple in the 50's plus 69. How many are now digital and have their RF channels changed? I presume the Canadians still use the 700 MHz band that was sold off in the U.S.
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post #2303 of 3485
10/12/11 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by firemantom26 View Post

Trip
How long will this take to switch over?

Depends on how much gear they need to bring back in, how much longer the FCC takes, etc.

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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

How many are now digital and have their RF channels changed? I presume the Canadians still use the 700 MHz band that was sold off in the U.S.

Canada is doing the same thing we did. All full-power stations had to move out of the 52-69 part of the band, while low-power stations could remain there. That's why CBEFT moved from 54 to 35 while remaining analog.

This is what television in the London area looks like: http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?mktid=261

- Trip
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post #2304 of 3485
10/12/11 at 5:23pm
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Originally Posted by Inundated View Post

When did you see this, by the way?

As noted above, CBET has changed over the years.

The other night (Monday), (CBET 9 (RF9)) during the Toronto based news they had bumpers for a couple of Canada drama shows on CBC. I left during prime time but had it on overnight, they had the talk shows on overnight
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post #2305 of 3485
10/12/11 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

The other night (Monday), (CBET 9 (RF9)) during the Toronto based news they had bumpers for a couple of Canada drama shows on CBC. I left during prime time but had it on overnight, they had the talk shows on overnight

I believe the only "Toronto based news" running on CBET these days is CBC's "The National", which I think runs at 10 PM. At 10:55, CBC Windsor produces its own late night 5 minute update. Their main newscast is 6-7 PM weeknights.

Pretty sure that they are no longer running CBLT (Toronto local) news anymore, just the national stuff, at least weekdays.

Don't know about the dramas, tho...do you remember the names at all?
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post #2306 of 3485
10/12/11 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

This is what television in the London area looks like: http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?mktid=261

Ah, it looks like everyone except the CBC/SRC outlets went digital.

31 (CityTV) is now on digital 31, as we already knew, and the CHCH repeater flash cut on 51. 69, which I believe is OMNI.1, went digital on 48....though with just 25 kW DA. (31 is 20 kW.)

Canadian digital signals are so weak, good luck getting these across Lake Erie here in Ohio.

You also list Sarnia stations, they all appear to have stayed analog...including the aforementioned CKCO repeater on 42. Though its allocation (on RF 27) looks pretty impressive for a Canadian at 810 kW. CHCH-2 is 190 kW.
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post #2307 of 3485
10/12/11 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by Inundated View Post

Ah, it looks like everyone except the CBC/SRC outlets went digital.

...the CHCH repeater flash cut on 51. 69, which I believe is OMNI.1, went digital on 48....though with just 25 kW DA. (31 is 20 kW.)

Canadian digital signals are so weak, good luck getting these across Lake Erie here in Ohio.

I've gotten CHCH 51.1 digital several times since they flash cut (including yesterday evening), and even got OMNI 69.1 for a minute or so the other day.

and I'm a good 25 miles south of Lake Erie, so it certainly is doable.
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post #2308 of 3485
10/13/11 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by Inundated View Post

Woo hoo!

With WOIO's LD 24 translator down here, I'll have all the full-power locals when WJW moves.

Great news!

Unfortunately this will come with the dreaded northeastern null for me...this wil be somewhat bittersweet, I may have less trouble with 31 though if the installation of the freeway sound barriers don't interfere. At present time this could be better for my attic antenna. For my external antenna I don't have too much of a problem with 8 right now, on the attic antenna it's less than a 3% catch.

I'm not sure what happened in the attic, all of a sudden when ODOT placed the noise barriers last fall near Rt 306 8 's signal diminished from 70-80% to 10%.
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post #2309 of 3485
10/13/11 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

Unfortunately this will come with the dreaded northeastern null for me...

WJW's pre-transition 625 kw signal on CH31 was non-directional, I assume the new one will be as well.
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post #2310 of 3485
10/13/11 at 10:44am
Null? WJW-31 will be an omni.

- Trip
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