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post #241 of 3986
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Originally Posted by dleising View Post

Will WOIO's power or signal change in any way after the transition?

Nope. Not until Canada gives the OK, which may be years or never (How many years was WBNX's digital signal held up due to a very minor overlap with a Canadian digital station than I don't believe was even on the air?).

Unless Raycom comes to their senses, and goes for a UHF allocation.
post #242 of 3986
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Originally Posted by nsa1062 View Post

Nope. Not until Canada gives the OK, which may be years or never (How many years was WBNX's digital signal held up due to a very minor overlap with a Canadian digital station than I don't believe was even on the air?).

Unless Raycom comes to their senses, and goes for a UHF allocation.

Yeah, why wouldn't they just take 19?!? And even WJW will be giving up 35 after the transition?

...Raycom...
post #243 of 3986
Really liking the new signal strength on WKYC's RF-17 output! I'm in western Shaker Heights, and the problem continues to be WOIO.

I've done a temporary roof-mount of a DB-4 antenna, pointed straight at Parma and checked with a compass. According to anything and everything I can find, including antennaweb and tvfool and antennapoint, this is massive overkill - I'm only 8-10 miles away from the antennas, so even a well-placed pair of rabbit ears should pick things up... in theory. Incidentally, I live on a corner, so I have mostly open sky in that direction, though there are a couple of trees along the street in that direction.

However, at the present time, even with the DB-4 mounted on the roof, I'm only getting spotty to outright cut-out reception on WOIO. I even tried applying a pre-amp and that didn't help at all - there's just not enough signal.

The ironic thing about all of this is, the other night when I first set up the DB-4 roofmount, I was bringing in WWJTV... the DETROIT CBS outlet! This is of course in addition to WTOL, but I was really shocked to catch WWJTV from about 110-120 miles out... while still getting beans for signal from WOIO. I guess this really just underscores how sharp that null to the north is for them - they're probably actually blocking signal from a large part of the Cleveland area. Ironic that the "Shaker Heights" station can't be reliably interference-free pulled in in Shaker Heights, even with an antenna like this one!

I'd wager a bit that they were being spoiled by the analog 'bit of snow' and now the signal gets blocky and unwatchable far faster with the switch to digital - they're likely to get a lot more complaints along these lines. Maybe they'll realize Canada isn't going to help them out and they need to get a different frequency allocation... but that seems unlikely unless someone waves dollar signs at Raycom. Here's hoping!
post #244 of 3986
I have always received WOIO-DT fine from Copley which is 20 miles away.
This using a modest attic mounted antenna.
Perhaps you have something in the house interfering with the signal.
Dave
post #245 of 3986
TheWGP, the DB-4 is a great antenna. Unfortunately, it is a UHF only antenna. WOIO's pipsqueak digital signal is on VHF channel 10 which will show up on your tuner as virtual channels 19.1 and 19.2. The rabbit ears have a better chance of picking up WOIO's digital signal than the DB-4.

My sister lives in South Russell and picks up WOIO with an all channel amplified Winegard Metrostar MS-2000 omnidirectional antenna. Click HERE to review the antenna at Solid Signal. It may or may not work in your area.
post #246 of 3986
I'm now seeing programming on 45.3 and 49.3...
post #247 of 3986
Saw programming too on 45.3, but it disappeared. It must have been a test for the new channel they launch Saturday morning.
post #248 of 3986
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Originally Posted by wd8kct View Post

WKYC-DT is up!

Was this on rf ch 17? The screen shot from the 622 looks just like mine which has been getting 100% from rf ch 2 right along (I can see the tower lights from may back window).
post #249 of 3986
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Originally Posted by rRooster View Post

This would be my first antenna in this location so I don't have any analog info to go from. When I look at my exact location in tv fool I get mid 30 db ratings for erie locals, everything else is lower. think that is enough to pull a digital signal? or is this pry not gonna be worth it at all?

It depends on what tuner you use. db vs signal strength are two different things. So what you are saying is that TV fool does not show Youngstown, or you just can't get any of the analog Youngstown stations?

WKBN-DT is much stronger and their coverage area is far wider than any other N.E. Ohio station. That coverage map I posted shows coverage out past the Lake Erie shoreline. This does not mean you can get a signal from ground level, however an antenna mounted on a tall house or tower will stand a chance of getting the signal (as opposed to other stations who's coverage map does not include your area). I get WKBN-DT in Parma, a good 57 miles from the tower. Granted I'm on high ground, but a high enough mounted antenna will snag the signal unless there is an obstruction such as Little Mountain for the folks in Lake County.
post #250 of 3986
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

Regarding CFPL, that may had been the case 20 years back, but at present date & somewhat even before the intro to DTV this hasn't been the case at least for me, in the late '70's I could pick off CFPL 10 most of the time & with a rotor it was a sure hit (I miss the unedited movies late nights from CFPL) . Within the last 10-15 years or so all I had been able to pick up from CFPL is a faint unwatchable snowy picture. Perhaps CFPL is protecting us & changed it's radiated patterns.

Up here years ago in the Winter it was a toss up between WBNS, WLIX (Lansing) & CFPL, don't know what happened to the other 10's, as there is likely other changes that have occured degrading all signals into this area.

What degraded the analog reception of ch 10 was the introduction of WOIO-DT!
CFPL reception was fine for me until the day WOIO-DT reared it's uguly head on a frequency it did not belong! RF CH 10 should have stayed in Columbus. That station (WBNS) did not have the rights to go back to it's legacy channel as WJW is doing, probably due to some political maneuvering on the part of Raycom. With years of CFPL protection ahead of them I'm wondering if Raycom regrets their decision?
post #251 of 3986
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Originally Posted by Tim Lones View Post

Actually it appears that WVPX has stopped testing for now..

Did they put the analog back up, I wonder?
post #252 of 3986
Is WKYC still up on 17? I did a re-scan and came up dry here in Akron.
post #253 of 3986
Here are the coverage maps for the Cleveland digital signals (post transition).

WJW-DT 8
WEWS-DT 15
WKYC-DT 17
WVIZ-DT 26
WQHS-DT 34
WOIO-DT 10 (10.3 kw)
WUAB-DT 28

These maps do not take terrain obstructions into play, however a with tall enough tower you should be able to receive a signal if you are inside the circles.

BTW: If you want to know the coverage maps of other stations here is the link to the FCC site.
post #254 of 3986
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Originally Posted by dleising View Post

Is WKYC still up on 17? I did a re-scan and came up dry here in Akron.

You'll likely find it on the air tonight up through the transition.
post #255 of 3986
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Originally Posted by bassguitarman View Post

I have always received WOIO-DT fine from Copley which is 20 miles away.
This using a modest attic mounted antenna.
Perhaps you have something in the house interfering with the signal.
Dave

Their signal is not too terrible to the south, unless you're way south (like Canton).
post #256 of 3986
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Originally Posted by TheWGP View Post

However, at the present time, even with the DB-4 mounted on the roof, I'm only getting spotty to outright cut-out reception on WOIO. I even tried applying a pre-amp and that didn't help at all - there's just not enough signal.
... Ironic that the "Shaker Heights" station can't be reliably interference-free pulled in in Shaker Heights, even with an antenna like this one!

Maybe you should complain to the FCC that they're not covering their city of license

After the transition, some LPTV may grab RF19 and/or RF31 (don't all the LPTV's on 52-69 have to move at some point?), so they couldn't get off RF10 if they wanted to. Unless there is another available UHF in Cleveland.
post #257 of 3986
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

Here are the coverage maps for the Cleveland digital signals (post transition).

interesting pdf file of Cleveland-Akron maps here...
Updated Maps of All Full-Service Digital Television Stations
showing gain and loss of coverage between analog and digital stations...

-Ed...
post #258 of 3986
First thanks to all of you for your posts. I've been reading for a few days and enjoy the conversatsions.

My Situation.
I live in Hudson, on the south side of town near Stow. I have TW now but am fed up with the cost. I'm planning on switching to DSL for my internet connection and dropping cable all together. I want to put up an OTA antenna.

I don't want to spend too much and would like as low profile an antenna as possible. I figure I can do this for about $150. I don't plan on getting a rotor at this time. I think pointing to Cleveland will be enough. I don't see why I should even try pointing towards Canton or Youngstown.

I have a two story home and I plan on putting it on my chimney which already has the metal bands, just need the pole and U bolts, and antenna of course. There seem to be three manufacturing companies out there that are suggested, Winegard, Channel Master or AntennasDirect.

I assume I need a VHF and UHF antenna since there are some low band VHF still in existence. I'll also need a tuner since I have some older tv's and one Dell Digital TV. I would welcome suggestions on what to purchase as well as suggestoins on where to buy them. I would like something that's going to last. Is there a specific type of pole that I should get, and can I get it at Lowes or Home Depot?

Regards,
post #259 of 3986
Check the latest MCM Electronics site for antennas, they have a whole slug of them, small to big and they ship them UPS.
JJK
post #260 of 3986
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Originally Posted by nsa1062 View Post

Maybe you should complain to the FCC that they're not covering their city of license.

Dunno if this holds water. 63 LP is licensed in Eastlake with a transmitter nearly 20 miles to it's east in Thompson, the signal will not reach Eastlake & barely makes it to Mentor with a rotor.

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Originally Posted by nsa1062 View Post

After the transition, some LPTV may grab RF19 and/or RF31 (don't all the LPTV's on 52-69 have to move at some point?), so they couldn't get off RF10 if they wanted to. Unless there is another available UHF in Cleveland.

The question is, is 31 & 19 still allocated to Cleveland after the switch, I think trip would know that, I thought 2 & 4 (& 32 if not occupoed by WRAP) were the only allocations left. (??)

Now (I think) 65 has applied for 44 (TV fool says 31 though (???)), & 53 for 7, so I'll likely lose those, now 35 is the only of the 3 LP's I don't get at all here... a shame they don't latch on to a FP as a sub.
post #261 of 3986
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

What degraded the analog reception of ch 10 was the introduction of WOIO-DT!
CFPL reception was fine for me until the day WOIO-DT reared it's uguly head on a frequency it did not belong! RF CH 10 should have stayed in Columbus. That station (WBNS) did not have the rights to go back to it's legacy channel as WJW is doing, probably due to some political maneuvering on the part of Raycom. With years of CFPL protection ahead of them I'm wondering if Raycom regrets their decision?

Is that what happened?? when did WOIO fire up it's DT signal?? I though the disappearance of CFPL happened several years before that, but I could be wrong. Occasionally I still get a faint picture on CFPL.
post #262 of 3986
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Originally Posted by Tim Lones View Post

Historical Note:
Years before the Land-Mobile assignments, Channel 15 was assigned to analog WICA-TV 15 in Ashtabula, Ohio, which had 2 brief stints on the air.1953-55 and 1965-67..They were too far from Cleveland and their signal was too weak to get much of an audience, plus they couldnt hook up with a network..

This was actually considered a full power independent station, & only carried a B&W signal, my how things have changed.

http://www.geocities.com/athens/olympus/3514/WICA.html

I pulled down 2 ancient small UHF bowties off my exes old building in Downtown Ashtabula,... wonder if they were tuned for 15?
post #263 of 3986
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Originally Posted by Inundated View Post

Nope, though they aren't far apart. (And 49.1/2 is fine down here tonight, but I could pick them up with a paperclip.)

23 is just up from Rolling Acres Mall. If you've ever been there (and there's really no reason to go to that mall now ), when you go up 261/Wooster Road/V. Odom Blvd., you'd turn right up at the top (following 261) instead of left (over to what's left of the mall).

The 23 tower is right in that clump of trees just past the turn onto 261. (Well, the tower is well above those trees, of course )

No other TV there, as far as I know, unless there's an LPTVer I forgot about. 23's former sister FM radio station, WONE/97.5, is also there, and a couple of FM translators - including the mighty pest at 102.5 blanketing a chunk of Akron with "K-Love".

49 is off of Cleveland-Massillon Road not far up from there, between that area and the Montrose shopping area.

So, 23/49 are not co-located, but what, maybe 3 miles or less apart. 49's tower also carries a radio station, WQMX/94.9...oddly enough, now co-owned with WONE.

Not at all familiar with that area, though WONE is set in my Presets! This proves that the signal can reach here, I don't think it was atmospheric magic, perhaps 23 has to adjust the 'null', so we can not receive 23.. hmmm.

39's antenna is near there too, I take, & I understand some channel shifting will be occouring?
post #264 of 3986
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Originally Posted by Inundated View Post

By the way, WFFT is the Fox affiliate in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

If it's on RF 36...oddly enough, that's the same frequency as WYTV-DT/ABC in Youngstown, which is much closer to you than Indiana. WYTV is still at 50 kW or so, so it doesn't make the trip up torwards you at all right now.

I don't expect it ever to, Remember I have nice blockage to my ... SOUTH!!

I don't even get a faint heartbeat or signal blip from any Youngstown stations.

I imagine there was a band opening, plus WFFT was testing. had it on for nearly 15 minutes without pixelixation, & strangely enough that was my attic antenna that is so troubleprone in picking up Cleveland.
post #265 of 3986
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Originally Posted by dleising View Post

Is WKYC still up on 17? I did a re-scan and came up dry here in Akron.

On & off, MUCH signal improvement over RF 2, thats one better on my upstairs attic setup.
post #266 of 3986
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

Cleveland after the switch, I think trip would know that, I thought 2 & 4 (& 32 if not occupoed by WRAP) were the only allocations left. (??)

According to the Letter of Understanding between the US and Canada, these allotments are available:

3 (312m 9.0 kW)
5 (313m 9.0 kW)
25 (303m 67. kW)
31 (317m 625 kW)

Canton:

39 (292m 200 kW)

It appears that 19 was deleted.

- Trip
post #267 of 3986
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

On & off, MUCH signal improvement over RF 2, thats one better on my upstairs attic setup.

They've been broadcasting on both 2 and 17 since at least last night.
post #268 of 3986
I have been receiving WOIO since 12/6/2003 without any problems. The signal strength showing steady 87%.

JJK
post #269 of 3986
I dont know why i could pick up wkyc and woio in anolog but cant digital. i have a Question, does anyone in the canton area pick up channel 23? the ion channel. it seems to be located in akron so thats really close and it is in the same path basically as the cleveland channels but i get no signal. never even knew there was a channel but i want it lol. it plays quantum leap everyday at 4
post #270 of 3986
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Originally Posted by salemtubes View Post

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My sister lives in South Russell and picks up WOIO with an all channel amplified Winegard Metrostar MS-2000 omnidirectional antenna. Click HERE to review the antenna at Solid Signal. It may or may not work in your area.

That's what I use, it's a great low-profile antenna.
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