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post #2581 of 3485
2/6/12 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by Immobilizer View Post

I just got a RadioShack set top antenna and I'm getting everything perfectly...except for CBS (10.1), which I cannot get at all. Maps say I should be able to get it - is this a common problem on the east side?

So you are getting 8 OK? The usual problem with set top antennas (loop type) is they aren't good for VHF and need the long elements (rabbit ears) that need to be aligned for certain station locations.
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post #2582 of 3485
2/6/12 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by Immobilizer View Post

I just got a RadioShack set top antenna and I'm getting everything perfectly...except for CBS (10.1), which I cannot get at all. Maps say I should be able to get it - is this a common problem on the east side?

Yes, we also had that problem at first. We started out with a Terk UHF/VHF amplified antenna and had a hell of a time with both WOIO (10) and WJW (8), even with the dipoles extended. So we moved onto a highly recommended Antennacraft HBU33 outdoor antenna, which we still have mounted to our 3 ft chain-link fence and it works beautifully for every channel except for ION (23), so we installed one of those A/B switches to switch over to the indoor Terk when we want to watch something on ION. In the process of doing this, however, we knocked over the Terk and it fell to the floor, breaking off part of one of the dipoles........and for some strange reason, that damn Terk works even better now, picking up both 10 (at least most of the time) and 8 (all of the time), without fiddling and without extending the dipoles or position of the antenna!

At any rate, we did find that we got better reception with the indoor Terk when we either A) placed it in the window sill, or B) placed a small stack of books on top of the tv, and placed the antenna on top of the stack of books. Perhaps playing around with the placement of the antenna will help with your problem. And do make sure that you have an antenna that can receive both VHF (channels 8 and 10 here) and UHF (all other channels) in order to view everything.

And if at all possible, I most highly recommend the Antennacraft HBU33 outdoor antenna that was recommended to us by someone on this very site (my apologies to whomever recommended it, I can't remember who it was? ) for the express purpose of viewing channel 10 - that thing is simply amazing - all channels come in clear as a bell, no pixeling or dropped signals - mounted to a 3 ft fence, no less!

Best of luck!
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post #2583 of 3485
2/6/12 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by HilltopStudios View Post

So you are getting 8 OK? The usual problem with set top antennas (loop type) is they aren't good for VHF and need the long elements (rabbit ears) that need to be aligned for certain station locations.

Good point, I am not getting 8 (fox) or 19 (cbs)...and I see both are VHF. I have the type of antenna that has a loop for UHF (most UHF comes in great) as well as bunny ears for VHF. If I understand antenna theory correctly, I should lay the bunny ears flat and aim them perpendicular to the direction of the broadcasting tower. The poles should have a total length (tip to tip) of about 30" to pick up fox and cbs?

What is the purpose of aiming the ears in a "V" shape, and lengthening them beyond 1/2 signal wavelength?
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post #2584 of 3485
2/6/12 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by OTA Newbie View Post

Yes, we also had that problem at first. We started out with a Terk UHF/VHF amplified antenna and had a hell of a time with both WOIO (10) and WJW (8), even with the dipoles extended. So we moved onto a highly recommended Antennacraft HBU33 outdoor antenna, which we still have mounted to our 3 ft chain-link fence and it works beautifully for every channel except for ION (23), so we installed one of those A/B switches to switch over to the indoor Terk when we want to watch something on ION. In the process of doing this, however, we knocked over the Terk and it fell to the floor, breaking off part of one of the dipoles........and for some strange reason, that damn Terk works even better now, picking up both 10 (at least most of the time) and 8 (all of the time), without fiddling and without extending the dipoles or position of the antenna!

At any rate, we did find that we got better reception with the indoor Terk when we either A) placed it in the window sill, or B) placed a small stack of books on top of the tv, and placed the antenna on top of the stack of books. Perhaps playing around with the placement of the antenna will help with your problem. And do make sure that you have an antenna that can receive both VHF (channels 8 and 10 here) and UHF (all other channels) in order to view everything.

And if at all possible, I most highly recommend the Antennacraft HBU33 outdoor antenna that was recommended to us by someone on this very site (my apologies to whomever recommended it, I can't remember who it was? ) for the express purpose of viewing channel 10 - that thing is simply amazing - all channels come in clear as a bell, no pixeling or dropped signals - mounted to a 3 ft fence, no less!

Best of luck!

Unfortunately, I live in an apartment and an outdoor antenna is not possible.
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post #2585 of 3485
2/6/12 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by Immobilizer View Post

Unfortunately, I live in an apartment and an outdoor antenna is not possible.

Oh, sorry to hear that, but not to worry, all is not lost!

Before we decided to go with the outdoor antenna, we must have fiddled with our indoor one for at least 2 weeks to finally get a good spot where we weren't constantly adjusting it to watch tv. Here are some tips from the "DTV.gov" website for VHF channels:

"For the best reception of channels 2-6, extend the rods all the way out. For the best reception of channels 7-13, reduce the length of the rods to 12-18 inches.

Location, Location, Location
The location of an indoor antenna is key. And one of the most popular spots for indoor antennas - on top of the TV - may not be the best. Consumers having trouble with digital TV reception should try moving their antennas to one of these locations:

Near a window
As high as possible
Away from other electronic equipment, including computers, VCRs, DVD players, converter boxes, and the television itself
Change the direction the antenna is facing...."

We didn't know that bit about not placing your antenna on top of your tv, so we moved it to the window (we had to run up to Radio Shack to get some extra coaxial cable for this), but that Terk is bulky and there wasn't enough room in the windowsill when the windows were closed (this darn rental house has no screens ), so that's why we finally placed the antenna on top of a stack of books on top of the tv and pointed the antenna to the south-west and that seemed to do the trick.

Recently, my teenage son wanted to be able to watch tv in his room, and naturally there is no outlet for the outdoor antenna in his room, so he went up to Radio Shack and got the second cheapest antenna that they had and placed it a little bit away from the tv and, after some fiddling, is able to pick up WOIO pretty well in that location.

Another thing is that channel 8 is supposedly going to go back to UHF, so that channel shouldn't be a problem for much longer!

Hope that all of this helps!
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post #2586 of 3485
2/6/12 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by reckoniez View Post

Since 16 (W35AX) would most likely not work in akron in a post i made i just thought hey 28 (WUAB) and 30 (WBNX) means that 29 (WAOH) would most likely not work in akron for the same reasons and i am assuming that to transmit on 16 some new transmit equipment would be needed so i was thinking that 29 (WAOH) would have to move to Cleveland

You make a valid point here, I never thought of this that 29 is both adjacent to both WBNX, & WUAB & will be at a distance to create interference to both of these channels. Perhaps the intereference from 29 being so on LP would interfere with WBNX & WUAB only in the Akron area, which will be your demon down there, while 16 is atill nulling in the northeast to protect Erie.... then again if 16 goes to Akron, the same issue will occur with WEWS & WKYC being in between those 2. The Logical choice would be to keep 29 & situate it on the Parma Farm, bump the power a bit to cover Akron & the Northeast, & I guess to abandon 16 altogether. .. but again there are financial considerations. Better yet is 32 still an open channel in the Cleveland DMA?

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Originally Posted by reckoniez View Post

i also thought that WJW could also buy WAOH/W35AX for reasons why a certain station went to lp status (WRAP-LP) and who knows what could occur as far as i know 28 and 30 were not assigned to cleveland with the article from the fcc on the move to 31 for WJW i now see why WAOH 29 Digital has not gotten anywhere i'd really like to see WAOH/W35AX go digital maybe that will happen maybe it's a situation where WBNX and or WUAB help make that happen or WJW this all relates to the WBNX/WJW Channel 31 fued and figured why not put WUAB in the mix

Just buy WAOH & W35AX? Stations are in the business to make $$ not just make aquisitions, but then in a ideal world, I wouldn't be wating 25-30 minutes for my old Sony CRT to warm up to give me a picture, I'd just make a trip to the store to pick up a new (& likely inferior) flat screen. . & yes I stated before, the LP's ought to pool their SD broadcasts to one channel allocation with subs... but it's not for us to make these decisions just as we have no control if they all can't play in the same sandbox together nicely

Whoever coordinated the channels is a mystery, I was checking the Salt Lake DMA, they had spaced the pre transition stations on even # spacings from 28 to 48 (I think) on even # incraments. One would think they would have grouped the Cleveland Farm in a similar way or even no spacing, just a block of channels (ie: 15-26).
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post #2587 of 3485
2/6/12 at 4:03pm
i was using the fact that WAOH and W35AX were both Class A stations and with 29 possibly having an effect on WBNX and WUAB using the fact that WRAP 32 reverting to low power status from Class A for WJW on 31
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post #2588 of 3485
2/6/12 at 5:23pm
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

Whoever coordinated the channels is a mystery, I was checking the Salt Lake DMA, they had spaced the pre transition stations on even # spacings from 28 to 48 (I think) on even # incraments. One would think they would have grouped the Cleveland Farm in a similar way or even no spacing, just a block of channels (ie: 15-26).

Salt Lake City is geographically isolated and had no full-power analog stations higher than channel 32. The stations arranged themselves through petition(s) for rule making so as to allow for the arrangement you see. The FCC did not set them up that way.

If Cleveland's stations had been arranged in the fashion you suggest, what would have happened to WDLI, WOIO, WVPX, and WVIZ? WFMJ?

The computer program that set the pre-transition allotments created them by determining which channels would best replicate the analog service area. In Cleveland, 3, 5, and 8 had the largest coverage areas, and the FCC software determined that 2, 15, and 31 would best replicate those analog coverage areas.

- Trip
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post #2589 of 3485
2/6/12 at 6:35pm
Indoor rabbit ears aren't that effective when you're in the suburbs 20 miles and beyond, even 15 miles out can be tricky if you don't have a good line of sight and a lot of interference. The VHF channels really need an outdoor antenna, but you don't see many outdoor antennas like you used to. And when you do see one, it's usually not installed right, or it's so old that elements are missing. Sometimes I notice that the antenna isn't even pointing in a practical direction.

If an indoor antenna is your only option, then get a long coaxial cable and try setting it in different areas of the house to see where it works best. Once you have a good area, figure out the wiring later. Next to a window is always good, and the higher the better. Perhaps even set the antenna outside and wire it inside to the TV if that's possible.

I have the Antennacraft HBU33 on my roof, and I get everything good. I'm 1 mile from the Akron transmitters, 23 miles from the Cleveland transmitters and 51 miles from the Youngstown transmitters.
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post #2590 of 3485
2/6/12 at 6:40pm
After some fiddling with different antenna lengths, I found that putting my rabbit ears in a nice and short position under a side table where nobody can see works perfectly! I now get all 21 ota Cleveland channels. Guess its time to cut the cord...
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post #2591 of 3485
2/6/12 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by Immobilizer View Post

After some fiddling with different antenna lengths, I found that putting my rabbit ears in a nice and short position under a side table where nobody can see works perfectly! I now get all 21 ota Cleveland channels. Guess its time to cut the cord...

If it wasn't for the Disney Channel, I would have gotten rid of the pay TV a long time ago, but my wife can't live without it. Between my antenna and my free to air (FTA) satellite dish, I must get over 500 channels. I've lost count.
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post #2592 of 3485
2/7/12 at 4:12am
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Salt Lake City is geographically isolated and had no full-power analog stations higher than channel 32. The stations arranged themselves through petition(s) for rule making so as to allow for the arrangement you see. The FCC did not set them up that way.

If Cleveland's stations had been arranged in the fashion you suggest, what would have happened to WDLI, WOIO, WVPX, and WVIZ? WFMJ?

My bad, I was thinking a post transition flash arrangement. (after a few days of chaos this might had worked if there would have coordination with the surrounding DMA's to do the same in an alloted block fashion). WLDI, WFMJ? .. then again us up here in Lake County are somewhat geographically isolated too.

& now they want to lop off (or 'sell off') another 21 channels, this might be the death of OTA TV.

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If it wasn't for the Disney Channel, I would have gotten rid of the pay TV a long time ago, but my wife can't live without it. Between my antenna and my free to air (FTA) satellite dish, I must get over 500 channels. I've lost count.

& you are paying a month how much for one channel? (now multiply that # by 12). I told the ex gf how to save a bit of cash when she had lost her job, she said it would be considered child abuse to take Nick & the Disney channel away from here kids, plus apparently school assignments we given on the basis that 'everyone has cable' ... I guess it's a good thing I don't have children!
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post #2593 of 3485
2/7/12 at 4:46am
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Originally Posted by Immobilizer View Post

After some fiddling with different antenna lengths, I found that putting my rabbit ears in a nice and short position under a side table where nobody can see works perfectly! I now get all 21 ota Cleveland channels. Guess its time to cut the cord...

Great to hear it, and congratulations!

We cut the cable cord almost a year ago and really have no regrets!
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post #2594 of 3485
2/7/12 at 4:50am
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Salt Lake City is geographically isolated and had no full-power analog stations higher than channel 32. The stations arranged themselves through petition(s) for rule making so as to allow for the arrangement you see. The FCC did not set them up that way.

If Cleveland's stations had been arranged in the fashion you suggest, what would have happened to WDLI, WOIO, WVPX, and WVIZ? WFMJ?

The computer program that set the pre-transition allotments created them by determining which channels would best replicate the analog service area. In Cleveland, 3, 5, and 8 had the largest coverage areas, and the FCC software determined that 2, 15, and 31 would best replicate those analog coverage areas.

- Trip

Also for those who don't know, the FCC bases all coverage for TV and FM on reception at 30 feet above the ground with a dipole in free space (something that is realistically unobtainable), not at ground level with rabbit ears. They never have. You have to base your coverage on that.
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post #2595 of 3485
2/7/12 at 5:30am
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

& you are paying a month how much for one channel? (now multiply that # by 12). I told the ex gf how to save a bit of cash when she had lost her job, she said it would be considered child abuse to take Nick & the Disney channel away from here kids, plus apparently school assignments we given on the basis that 'everyone has cable' ... I guess it's a good thing I don't have children!

I have the cheapest package available with Dish Network to get Disney. It's $44.99/month plus tax.
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post #2596 of 3485
2/7/12 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

The computer program that set the pre-transition allotments created them by determining which channels would best replicate the analog service area. In Cleveland, 3, 5, and 8 had the largest coverage areas, and the FCC software determined that 2, 15, and 31 would best replicate those analog coverage areas.

We are losing our war against computers because we make the mistake of assuming they never make a mistake

Perhaps the same type of programs that is setting up, splitting & overlaying telephone area codes too.

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I have the cheapest package available with Dish Network to get Disney. It's $44.99/month plus tax.

Ouch, roughly about $580 a year, more than I make in 2 weeks & probably a bit more that than I'm budgeting if I should buy a new set. Possibly low on this guestimate, the additional taxes & fees is where these pay services get you.

I was house sitting over the holidays for someone with Direct (& a 43" plasma), I really didn't care for the setup on the guide, by the time I found what I would want to watch, the show was half over. I found they didn't ghost out many channels on the guide they didn't get, making you hunt, plus prompting you to order more channels.

As far as indoor rabbit ears go, I can only pick up 5 & 61 reliably with an indoor antenna on the 2nd floor, I'm really believe my lack of channel 8 was from something happening to the VHF portion of my attic antenna as WOIO is somewhat reliable on this same antenna & 8's signal is actually stronger than 19's on the outdoor antenna.
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post #2597 of 3485
2/8/12 at 3:55pm
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

We are losing our war against computers because we make the mistake of assuming they never make a mistake

Perhaps the same type of programs that is setting up, splitting & overlaying telephone area codes too.

Our area code (the original 216) was split by an "independent" committee.
You can probably guess where the more influential members of that committee lived when a distant, affluent suburb stayed in 216 while we here in blue collar Parma "got the split"

At the time the lines were being drawn for the 216 split up Ameritech was launching "Americast" an overbuild cable tv service (not to be confused with U-Verse, this was a traditional coax delivered analog cable that today is WOW). The mayor of Parma at that time requested that Parma not get split into two area codes, and hung the approval of Americast's request for a franchise in Parma over Ameritech's head. Ameritech responded that they were not involved in the decision. That is why I bring up the committee who must have had residents in Hunting Valley. Why in the world is that burb in 216? All you need is clout.


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Ouch, roughly about $580 a year, more than I make in 2 weeks & probably a bit more that than I'm budgeting if I should buy a new set. Possibly low on this guestimate, the additional taxes & fees is where these pay services get you.

I was house sitting over the holidays for someone with Direct (& a 43" plasma), I really didn't care for the setup on the guide, by the time I found what I would want to watch, the show was half over. I found they didn't ghost out many channels on the guide they didn't get, making you hunt, plus prompting you to order more channels.

As far as indoor rabbit ears go, I can only pick up 5 & 61 reliably with an indoor antenna on the 2nd floor, I'm really believe my lack of channel 8 was from something happening to the VHF portion of my attic antenna as WOIO is somewhat reliable on this same antenna & 8's signal is actually stronger than 19's on the outdoor antenna.

Dish has a "Welcome Pak" and a "Family Pak" that are way cheaper than anything cable offers, and they are not a limited time introductory rate.

The Welcome pak is $14.99 for 40 channels.

The family pak is $24.99 (19.99 intro rate) for 55 channels

Dish America is $34.99 (24.99 intro rate) for an HD only pak.
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post #2598 of 3485
2/9/12 at 4:46am
I think I'll give my old Western Electric uncle a call and see if he knows anything more on the area code changes which for the most part pissed everybody off.
JJK
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post #2599 of 3485
2/9/12 at 5:58am
Can someone explain to me why Dish Network and DirecTV have so much control over the satellite channels over this country? In Asia and Europe, you're able to set up your own satellite dish and enjoy the hundreds of free premium channels you can receive... but here, in the land of the free, that's unheard of. You have to pay the middle man. And if I pay for TV, then why the heck to I have to watch commercials???

Free-to-air satellite offers a variety of foreign and religious programming in this country, but it doesn't offer even the basic network channels... ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, etc. It would seem like a good idea for the networks to put a channel on Ku-band (small dish) so that people who live outside the coverage areas for the OTAs can receive the major networks. I can get the Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Nigeria, China, Spain, Uraguay, Cuba, Serbia, and Iran channels, but yet I can't get CBS on FTA. It's all encrypted.
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post #2600 of 3485
2/10/12 at 1:55am
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Originally Posted by Andrew K View Post

Can someone explain to me why Dish Network and DirecTV have so much control over the satellite channels over this country?

Now you're just talking crazy mister :-)

As I remember, when Dish was trying to get the Congressional nod to start the service, they were promising several free channels and a 10 channels for $10 package... ancient history...
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post #2601 of 3485
2/10/12 at 9:54am
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Can someone explain to me why Dish Network and DirecTV have so much control over the satellite channels over this country? In Asia and Europe, you're able to set up your own satellite dish and enjoy the hundreds of free premium channels you can receive... but here, in the land of the free, that's unheard of. You have to pay the middle man. And if I pay for TV, then why the heck to I have to watch commercials???

Well there are a few FTA channels in English, including some that carry network programs. But they are few and far between and finding them is a hassle for all but the satellite hobbyist. That is where Dish & Direct come in, they put up the channels most wanted and have a single dish solution. Even if a home subscriber with the proper receiving equipment could subscribe directly from the content providers, you would need a motorized dish and/or several different dishes to pick up all the channels you want. At least with Dish you still have the low cost packs I posted above, something the cable and Direct will not offer.

As far as commercials go, I agree there are way too many on "basic" cable channels, however there are still the premium channels and some PI/non profit channels that run without commercials (C-SPAN anyone?).
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2/10/12 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

Well there are a few FTA channels in English, including some that carry network programs. But they are few and far between and finding them is a hassle for all but the satellite hobbyist. That is where Dish & Direct come in, they put up the channels most wanted and have a single dish solution. Even if a home subscriber with the proper receiving equipment could subscribe directly from the content providers, you would need a motorized dish and/or several different dishes to pick up all the channels you want. At least with Dish you still have the low cost packs I posted above, something the cable and Direct will not offer.

As far as commercials go, I agree there are way too many on "basic" cable channels, however there are still the premium channels and some PI/non profit channels that run without commercials (C-SPAN anyone?).

Galaxy 19 at 97 degrees west contains over 200 TV channels and is above the central part of North America. It serves the country well, but it contains too much foreign and religious channels. I'm surprised the networks don't put any channels on that.

I do however get the Phoenix Arizona locals at 118.8 degrees west... NBC, ABC and Fox, but these have only been up for a couple months, and I don't think these will stay permanently. It's interesting to watch locals from another DMA for a change.
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post #2603 of 3485
2/12/12 at 7:28am
I am interested in FTA. Are there Cleveland dealers who install?
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post #2604 of 3485
2/12/12 at 11:35am
My Western Electric Uncle says that the PUC of Ohio? determined the new area code allocations with a multitude of flack from every community plus politicians. I also remember the newspapers and just about everyone over 18 screaming and hollering why they should keep the old numbers and not have to dial 10/11 didgits to reach the next community adjacent to theirs.
JJK
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post #2605 of 3485
2/13/12 at 2:51am
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I am interested in FTA. Are there Cleveland dealers who install?

Just do a search like "fta install cleveland oh", there are a number of dealers/installers listed.
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post #2606 of 3485
2/13/12 at 1:39pm
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I am interested in FTA. Are there Cleveland dealers who install?

Do your research. Check out other forums that will answer your questions about FTA. There are a couple good ones out there. It took me a while to figure everything out. I set up my dish myself, but it wasn't easy. Everything had to be just right. The dish had to be pointing in just the right spot, and the mounting had to be perfect in order for the motor to work. I have a motorized setup which makes it easy to watch all the available satellites up there, and I can control it from inside my house. That's definitely the way to go.
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post #2607 of 3485
2/14/12 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

Our area code (the original 216) was split by an "independent" committee.
You can probably guess where the more influential members of that committee lived when a distant, affluent suburb stayed in 216 while we here in blue collar Parma "got the split"

At the time the lines were being drawn for the 216 split up Ameritech was launching "Americast" an overbuild cable tv service (not to be confused with U-Verse, this was a traditional coax delivered analog cable that today is WOW). The mayor of Parma at that time requested that Parma not get split into two area codes, and hung the approval of Americast's request for a franchise in Parma over Ameritech's head. Ameritech responded that they were not involved in the decision. That is why I bring up the committee who must have had residents in Hunting Valley. Why in the world is that burb in 216? All you need is clout..

So what you are saying is both 216 & 440 are non-contigious area codes? I looked up that Hunting Valley.. WT#.. were they thinking? Personally, it really wasn't the matter of staying in 216, in fact this burb I live in had voted local phone service to Cleveland down many times, for about a dollar per month added to the phone bill.

By rights per PUCO they were not to split cities, though my city in Central Lake County is split into 3 different calling zones, ... Willoughby, which is in the Cleveland dialing area, Mentor, & Painesville, each which have different boundries.

At one point, it was just 'surprise, surprise' when you open the phone bill, not knowing where you were calling, what was toll, what is long distance, & what fell into my limited econo package.

They wanted this to be confusing, even when I changed services over the summer the Fmeritech rep in Illinois said this is the most F'ed up dialing zone she had ever seen, I can call no farther than 10 miles whithout it being a toll, or long distance & in certain directions much less than that.

I guess you would have this sort of confusion in the Cleveland 440 if 10 digit mandatory dialing is enforced. ("im not sure I personally don't know anyone to ask what the rules are.) Now for me to call into the cleveland area, or as little as 6 miles away, it's a 45 digit #. Things are getting easier!!??, I just want to stick to my old Western Electric/ITT/Stroberg Carlson phone with a cord & no battery, & dial a 7 digit #!

As I said time & time before, communication services in the US are the biggest ripoff around.

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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

Dish has a "Welcome Pak" and a "Family Pak" that are way cheaper than anything cable offers, and they are not a limited time introductory rate.

The Welcome pak is $14.99 for 40 channels.

The family pak is $24.99 (19.99 intro rate) for 55 channels

Dish America is $34.99 (24.99 intro rate) for an HD only pak.

& taxes & added fees brings those up? These guys always have a boatload of added fees & taxes.
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post #2608 of 3485
2/14/12 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by JJkizak View Post

My Western Electric Uncle says that the PUC of Ohio? determined the new area code allocations with a multitude of flack from every community plus politicians. I also remember the newspapers and just about everyone over 18 screaming and hollering why they should keep the old numbers and not have to dial 10/11 digits to reach the next community adjacent to theirs.
JJK

That's due to the area code overlays. At least I would like to know where I'm calling, To my understanding, the WVA 304 area code was borrowing blocks of #'s from the 202 DC area... how messed up is that!??

At the point whers 216 was split it just should have been a 3 way at the time... now you'll be dialing 10 digits just to call your next door neighbor.
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post #2609 of 3485
2/14/12 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

& taxes & added fees brings those up? These guys always have a boatload of added fees & taxes.

My rate for Dish Network is $44.99/month... that comes out to $47.47 after taxes, which isn't that much more. But they'll charge you a lot more if you accept certain services like DVR, HD, multiple receivers, etc. When I signed up for my service, I asked for the $24.99/month service for the first year or whatever the deal was. And then they asked if I wanted "HD free for life", so I figured why not if it was free. But that voided the discount I would have gotten for the first year. I didn't find out until I got the first bill.

And then they added a $6/month service fee, which I didn't want. The problem is that they would charge me $25 to take the monthly fee off. And one time I called Dish, and they wanted to charge me $5 to speak to a real person.

Another problem was that they raised my bill $5/month even though I was in a 2 year contract. That should be illegal.

When my contract is up, I'm getting Netflix!!
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2/14/12 at 10:37pm
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My rate for Dish Network is $44.99/month... that comes out to $47.47 after taxes, which isn't that much more.

No not that bad at all, when the ex had the cell phone (in my name) that $29.95/mo bill ended up @ $39-$41/mo

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And then they asked if I wanted "HD free for life", so I figured why not if it was free. But that voided the discount I would have gotten for the first year. I didn't find out until I got the first bill.

Classic bait & switch.

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And then they added a $6/month service fee, which I didn't want. The problem is that they would charge me $25 to take the monthly fee off. And one time I called Dish, and they wanted to charge me $5 to speak to a real person.

Then again, It's only money

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Another problem was that they raised my bill $5/month even though I was in a 2 year contract. That should be illegal.

Absolutely, why I really diislike these so called 'contracts'.

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When my contract is up, I'm getting Netflix!!

Let's hope there is no contract involved in that.

That FTA sat system seems more appealing, is there a lot of maintenance with those dishes?
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