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post #2761 of 3985
Do you mean that full page add in the Plain Dealer this morning?
It does look like snake oil to me but you would be surprised how many smart people think you can't get HD on OTA. They think OTA is gone.
JJK
post #2762 of 3985
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Originally Posted by JJkizak View Post

Do you mean that full page add in the Plain Dealer this morning?

Yes

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Originally Posted by JJkizak View Post

It does look like snake oil to me but you would be surprised how many smart people think you can't get HD on OTA. They think OTA is gone.
JJK

A couple of my neighbors still on the antenna were conned by literature mailed by the cable company at the time of transition, that they would no longer get TV unless they had cable.... I wish they spoke with me first.
post #2763 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Vchat20 View Post

How well is WYFX-LD reception with your average un-amped antenna anywhere out of Y-Town? I'm very curious. According to rabbitears the ERP is terribly anemic. Obvious being an LD, but gives reason to have left 27.2 at 720p if reception of WYFX is crap.

I live approximately 40 air miles northwest of WKBN/WYFX, and I am actually able to receive WYFX-LD at about a 50% signal strength when I aim the antenna right at the station, which is more than adequate to get a steady picture. I was also able to receive the analog signal on RF-62, and the one on RF-17 and RF-31 before they switched to 17. The signal on 17 was only marginally better, and my location is just far enough away from WDLI analog that there wasn't interference problems when I had the antenna aimed properly.

I do use a rather decent sized rooftop antenna and a preamp, but I'm sure that WYFX would be receivable without a preamp. As far as low power TV stations go, it has a respectable footprint. I would imagine there are power and height limitations on low powered TV stations regardless of interference issues. Nothing will compare to a full powered TV station though.
post #2764 of 3985
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There was an ad for this Product from Clear-Cast X1, picks up TV, is this a converter box, or antenna, or some type of combo? ... Looks like snake oil to me.

I generally take these ads with a grain of salt, but the Eden Pure heater that advertises in this fashion really does work.

Edit: I read the reviews on this, simply another indoor antenna that likely will not work in the fringes.

I actually had a relative contact me recently on something similar...an add in the paper for an antenna to be specific. I told her to save her money. I actually built a VHF and UHF dipole antenna (smaller footprint since she lives in a development) and put it right at the peek of the roof, and reception of Cleveland and Akron stations is generally fine unless there are issues with band openings or really bad weather.
post #2765 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

There was an ad for this Product from Clear-Cast X1, picks up TV, is this a converter box, or antenna, or some type of combo? ... Looks like snake oil to me.

Clear-Cast HDTV Antenna Subject of Better Business Bureau Review
post #2766 of 3985

I got a good laugh when I saw the picture of that thing...seriously, a fancy plastic case in the shape of a bow-tie antenna?
post #2767 of 3985
The misnomers in the ad threw up the red flags, as this looks like nothing more than a fancy coat hanger with a case.

I bet the pictures of the shipping is stock public domain too

Edit... actually looked at the ad again, likely not though probably used models.
post #2768 of 3985
Anything new on channel 35?
JJK
post #2769 of 3985
Nothing new on W35AX on 16 also Nothing New on WJW on 31
post #2770 of 3985
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Originally Posted by reckoniez View Post

Nothing new on W35AX on 16 also Nothing New on WJW on 31

I would of thought WJW would of made the switch back to UHF by now.
post #2771 of 3985
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Originally Posted by firemantom26 View Post

I would of thought WJW would of made the switch back to UHF by now.

They are still waiting on the FCC to approved it. They can't turn it on until Uncle Sam gives his blessing.
post #2772 of 3985
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They are still waiting on the FCC to approved it. They can't turn it on until Uncle Sam gives his blessing.

Maybe one day soon.
post #2773 of 3985
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Originally Posted by JJkizak View Post

Anything new on channel 35?
JJK

Note, they seem like they are going to keep the virtual 35 although likely changing the calls.

Or Virtual 29 for both WAOH & W35AX perhaps? Would be nice if the coverage got up my way, I miss the true independent stations.
post #2774 of 3985
I don't know whether this is good news or bad, (I suspect not good...), but here is an article about the FCC giving TV channel-sharing green light. It sounds like they want over the air TV to give up 40% of the spectrum to broadband. Link here:

http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/2...h1E4s.facebook

Happy Friday, everyone!
post #2775 of 3985
New Bill Aims to Close Crunch in Spectrum Auction Bill would require FCC to bundle federal and TV spectrum
http://www.adweek.com/news/technolog...auction-139862
post #2776 of 3985
Here is what I think would break those plastic blue antenna clips. Here is a bird perched on top of my antenna.

post #2777 of 3985
Could be some of the blue clips were formed without UV protection. After about 3 years they will turn to powder if not protected. The UV stuff is mixed in at the time of manufacture.
JJK
post #2778 of 3985
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Originally Posted by JJkizak View Post

Could be some of the blue clips were formed without UV protection. After about 3 years they will turn to powder if not protected. The UV stuff is mixed in at the time of manufacture.
JJK

I spoke with the nice folks at AntennaCraft & Iowa & suggested this though they said no other complaints, the ones that broke had those wings on them, why I thought a windload snapped them.

The Blue insulators are supposevely replacable, she told me if there are no ill effects to UHF those reflectors may not be needed.

Cetain colors & mixes of plastics are prone to this.... it's not like we have a lot of sunlight here imagine this in Arizona or somewhere else where they have a lot of sun.

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Originally Posted by Andrew K View Post

Here is what I think would break those plastic blue antenna clips. Here is a bird perched on top of my antenna.


A logical thought...
post #2779 of 3985
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Originally Posted by OTA Newbie View Post

I don't know whether this is good news or bad, (I suspect not good...), but here is an article about the FCC giving TV channel-sharing green light. It sounds like they want over the air TV to give up 40% of the spectrum to broadband. Link here:

http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/2...h1E4s.facebook

Happy Friday, everyone!

Couldn't read due to the facebook script, though I can imagine what is happening here. Less bandwidth for broadcast & more bandwidth for cable & other pay services....

Id be all for say like 35 (RTV) jumping on a sub of a full power station, yet haven't we lost enough bandwidth & channel allocations on the last lop off? Remember once they are sold off, they are gone for good. Seems like the narrow mindset of the general population is to just make us pay for HD for HD broadcasts. Gee isn't it just too soon after the 2009 transition to be taking a step backwards here?

Don't blame me, I'm not buying into any of this, I don't have handheld wi-fi or communications devices (other than an ancient laptop), nor do I plan on any more.

I noted WEWS was simulcasting WVIZ for an hour this afternoon... what gives?
post #2780 of 3985
http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/2...ng-green-light

i would like to see 35 go digital in general i would like Tuff TV, Car TV, FGO, TNN which are all luken networks would also not mind America One, and Untamed Sports would be cool to although not sure how long that network may be around they are losing another affiliate and have lost some they had some stations that luken owns themselves have 6 channels and i hear they are adding another one once Car TV Launches so if Channel 35 goes digital they could end up with a similar amount of channels that the luken stations carry WRAP-LP will probably light up when or if 8 goes digital on 31 so there hope for more channels Wouldn't even mind WXOX going digital on 6
post #2781 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

I noted WEWS was simulcasting WVIZ for an hour this afternoon... what gives?

I haven't checked today's TV schedule yet, but I believe 5 simulcasts an hour of the WVIZ Auction every year...and it IS that time of year.
post #2782 of 3985
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Originally Posted by reckoniez View Post

http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/2...ng-green-light

i would like to see 35 go digital in general i would like Tuff TV, Car TV, FGO, TNN which are all luken networks would also not mind America One, and Untamed Sports would be cool to although not sure how long that network may be around they are losing another affiliate and have lost some they had some stations that luken owns themselves have 6 channels and i hear they are adding another one once Car TV Launches so if Channel 35 goes digital they could end up with a similar amount of channels that the luken stations carry WRAP-LP will probably light up when or if 8 goes digital on 31 so there hope for more channels Wouldn't even mind WXOX going digital on 6

For as bad as it's made out to be, it would be nice if the LP babies banded together & took RF 8 at it's current power after WJW vacates it... a fairly decent signal, I'm believing it's my attic antenna is the culprit (shorted element or otherwise), though something happened when the whining to the south started to 8's signal up here, reoriented the pattern? Will RF 8 still be a future allocation for Cleveland or will Canada claim it for themselves?

At last WXOX & WRAP were just shopping channels pretty much useless to me, though some like that sort of thing. I think WRAP used to show Music Videos at one time. How about Cool TV?

I was thinking 6 was going to be an analog LP channel.

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I haven't checked today's TV schedule yet, but I believe 5 simulcasts an hour of the WVIZ Auction every year...and it IS that time of year.

I'm taking that is WEWS's donation to Public Television?
post #2783 of 3985
every station that currently has that corner store tv that WRAP carried which right now is only two stations have other programming and i think i read that WXOX carried hsn and alot of stations that carry hsn also have other channels TheCool TV i personally would not watch it because i find all my music online but i have no problem with it being carried and am for it the want of TNN was for the sports that they would have on the weekends i guess WXOX could actually if they wanted to fill a void going digital if they wanted to provide some radio tv stations that they can create since they probably wanted to create one with channel 6 analog
post #2784 of 3985
As far as Channel 6, analog may be what we get. I remember reading somewhere, prolly in here: http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?board=238.0 somewhere, that we may get a "Franken FM" on 87.7, in which the analog channel 6's audio is also heard at 87.7 FM. The TV video is usually one thing, like silent movies or something, or a community service thing, while the audio is actually an FM radio format. Other cities have these, and they are LP stations. Here is something on it, stating that WXOX may be the "Frankenstein": http://ohiomediawatch.wordpress.com/...of-wxox-radio/
post #2785 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

I'm taking that is WEWS's donation to Public Television?

Many of the commercial TV news anchors and reporters act as auctioneers each year. 5's morning co-anchor, Mike Dunston, was on air the half-hour that his employer was simulcasting WVIZ.
post #2786 of 3985
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Originally Posted by dannykewl View Post

As far as Channel 6, analog may be what we get. I remember reading somewhere, prolly in here: http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?board=238.0 somewhere, that we may get a "Franken FM" on 87.7, in which the analog channel 6's audio is also heard at 87.7 FM. The TV video is usually one thing, like silent movies or something, or a community service thing, while the audio is actually an FM radio format. Other cities have these, and they are LP stations. Here is something on it, stating that WXOX may be the "Frankenstein": http://ohiomediawatch.wordpress.com/...of-wxox-radio/

A couple weeks ago, I was driving through Miami, and I was scanning the FM radio dial and came across a powerful 87.7 FM. The reception was excellent even 50 miles from the city. It even had RDS data appear on the display. That transmitter was 3 kW, and the proposed WXOX-LP would also be 3 kW. If this goes through, it looks like 87.7 would be the equivalent of any other full power radio station. Chances are good that their intent is to utilize this for mainly an FM radio station. It would certainly get more listeners than analog channel 6 would.
post #2787 of 3985
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Originally Posted by reckoniez View Post

TheCool TV i personally would not watch it because i find all my music online but i have no problem with it being carried

Although I only had cable very briefly, I find it strange that everyone seemed to love & miss MTV's initial music format, yet being copied by others such as The Tube & Cool, there seems to be a high resistance to it & none of these copycats were successful

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Originally Posted by reckoniez View Post

i guess WXOX could actually if they wanted to fill a void going digital if they wanted to provide some radio tv stations that they can create since they probably wanted to create one with channel 6 analog

Im really not sure what is going on with plans for 6. digital Video with Analog simulcast audio. I thought Analog TV is dead or pretty much will be within the next 5-10 years, why anyone would want to take up such a concept. An extention of the FM band would mean upgrading equipment, though seamlessly the Xband for AM was implied, I found it strange my radio in my '95 had this band extention it it.

I would think the next step for FM would be digital & CD quality sound, as in HD, yet the equipment that takes advantage of this is so hard to come by. The average consumer would just assume opening their wallet & subscribing to XM or Sirrus... just like the heard was lead over to cable.
post #2788 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

Im really not sure what is going on with plans for 6. digital Video with Analog simulcast audio. I thought Analog TV is dead or pretty much will be within the next 5-10 years, why anyone would want to take up such a concept. An extention of the FM band would mean upgrading equipment, though seamlessly the Xband for AM was implied, I found it strange my radio in my '95 had this band extention it it.

I think the only motive to file an analog channel 6 application is solely to take advantage of the FM audio on 87.7. The TV part would be basically useless. That would receive far more listeners on FM than you think. Like 99% of FM radios in cars now already start at 87.7 or 87.5. And the coverage of WXOX at just 3 kW would be MUCH better than a dinky FM translator.

WAKN-LP was broadcasting a 24 hour slide for a while back on analog 11, but when WOIO put it's Akron transmitter up, WAKN seemed to go off the air. I noticed the transmitter for WAKN-LP & WOIO is located at the same height on the tower.
post #2789 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Andrew K View Post

I think the only motive to file an analog channel 6 application is solely to take advantage of the FM audio on 87.7. The TV part would be basically useless. That would receive far more listeners on FM than you think. Like 99% of FM radios in cars now already start at 87.7 or 87.5. And the coverage of WXOX at just 3 kW would be MUCH better than a dinky FM translator.

I'll have to check where my FM band starts on my car radios, I know my old Pioneer that had the Hybrid Slide Rule & digital readout went from somewhere around 86 to 109 if you believed the readout. I really never took notice to the start of the FM band otherwise, my vehicles were older, though I did put an aftermarket unit in the '94. I generally don't scan down that far, though occasionally I found the content interesting on the college radio stations @ 4 am on what they would get away with.

I still use bulletproof GE clock radios from the late '70s to early 80's here too!
post #2790 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

Although I only had cable very briefly, I find it strange that everyone seemed to love & miss MTV's initial music format, yet being copied by others such as The Tube & Cool, there seems to be a high resistance to it & none of these copycats were successful



Im really not sure what is going on with plans for 6. digital Video with Analog simulcast audio. I thought Analog TV is dead or pretty much will be within the next 5-10 years, why anyone would want to take up such a concept. An extention of the FM band would mean upgrading equipment, though seamlessly the Xband for AM was implied, I found it strange my radio in my '95 had this band extention it it.

The Tube failed because too few viewers had digital receivers at the time they went on the air. I was one of the few that did have an atsc tuner (in my Dish Network HD DVR) and watched The Tube all the time. The Tube signed off a full year or more before cheap converters were available on the market.

Analog audio with digital video would be impossible on the same channel. The digital data stream takes up the whole 6 MHz bandwidth no matter what data you put on the stream.

For the record analog TV 6's audio carrier is 87.75, so digital display radios are tuned a little off frequency. My old '83 Buick radio picked up a channel 6 when we were driving through PA on 87.9 (I believe that was as low as that one tuned). You could hear the TV audio but it was slightly distorted.
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