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post #3001 of 3985
What do you guys use for recording TV programs?
JJK
post #3002 of 3985
I still use a VCR with a converter box attached to it! LOL

I would like to get a TiVo but don't want to pay for the subscription fee just to record OTA programming.
post #3003 of 3985
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

I still use a VCR with a converter box attached to it! LOL
I would like to get a TiVo but don't want to pay for the subscription fee just to record OTA programming.
Ditto, ishaba on the monthly fees, I'm not that enamoured with the programming anyway either OTA or Cable..... since when is TV a Utility?


This Morning, Omn1 on 69.1 (48 rf), Italian Language news, coming in 50-60 %
post #3004 of 3985
I've been using a Toshiba DR570KU component DVD recorder with ATSC tuner. Media used are DVD_RW rewritable discs. Being a DVD based recorder it only records in SD but has the DVD picture quality. Our cable internet connection rides along with a lifeline package of OTA and local government & school channels in analog which my wife uses to feed her VCR and an old analog tuner DVD recorder (picked up at a yard sale for $10).

Also want to welcome Snowdog 88 to the party. Lots of good info shared here.
post #3005 of 3985
I been using a Philips DVDR3576H/37 "HDD & DVD Player/Recorder with Digital Tuner". Bought it maybe 5 years ago at Sam's Club for just over $200. No fees. Looked great on an analog TV using S-Video, but now since I have a flat screen, the tuner looks like it's stuck in 480, even if I try 720p or 1080i (it lets you choose the quality). This is using HDMI cables, and I tried a couple different cables, so don't know what the problem is there. Did this on another flat screen I returned also. Can record to built in hard drive or DVD-R/RW, seems like it takes + or - RW's even though the manual says it only does - I believe. Can also dub from HDD to DVD or vice versa. Records from the tuner of course or inputs with a choice about 6 different quality modes, the highest gives you an hour's worth to DVD. Lets you do simple editing. I have OTA reception, I believe it will only get only unencrypted cable/sat. channels. May be able to find this model used.
Edited by dannykewl - 8/27/12 at 6:36am
post #3006 of 3985
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Originally Posted by dannykewl View Post

I been using a Philips DVDR3576H/37 "HDD & DVD Player/Recorder with Digital Tuner". Bought it maybe 5 years ago at Sam's Club for just over $200. No fees. Looked great on an analog TV using S-Video, but now since I have a flat screen, the tuner looks like it's stuck in 480, even if I try 720p or 1080i (it lets you choose the quality). This is using HDMI cables, and I tried a couple different cables, so don't know what the problem is there. Did this on another flat screen I returned also. Can record to built in hard drive or DVD-R/RW, seems like it takes + or - RW's even though the manual says it only does - I believe. Can also dub from HDD to DVD or vice versa. Records from the tuner of course or inputs with a choice about 6 different quality modes, the highest gives you an hour's worth to DVD. Lets you do simple editing. I have OTA reception, I believe it will only get only unencrypted cable/sat. channels. May be able to find this model used.

It's "stuck in 480" because that is the SD resolution of DVD's. I bet everything on the hard drive is stored in DVD resolution.

Just because the tuner receives HDTV signals, it must immediately down rez the video it records to 480.

I have a couple of hard drive recorders at work with analog tuners that have an HDMI output, even though there are no true HDTV sources. The output on the HDMI is uprezzed from a 480i source.
post #3007 of 3985
I use the Magnavox 315. It's a DVR and DVD recorder and there are no fees. It will do OTA or cable, it a nice recorder and DVR.
post #3008 of 3985
I see 19.2 put a 'Cleveland' bug underneath the MeTv bug that appears or disapears after commercial breaks. It needs to be moved over to the right just a hair, brighten up a little bit, and have a fade in/fade out effect instead of suddenly appearing/dissapearing.

I also noticed recently that WJW slaps on a giant bug at random times on 8.2, which only lasts for a few seconds. They need to make it smaller, it's very distracting! Or use it only at the top of the hour.
post #3009 of 3985
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

I see 19.2 put a 'Cleveland' bug underneath the MeTv bug that appears or disapears after commercial breaks. It needs to be moved over to the right just a hair, brighten up a little bit, and have a fade in/fade out effect instead of suddenly appearing/dissapearing.

Semi-transparent bug... even more annoying are the half-hour informercials in the morning...
post #3010 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

It's "stuck in 480" because that is the SD resolution of DVD's. I bet everything on the hard drive is stored in DVD resolution.
Just because the tuner receives HDTV signals, it must immediately down rez the video it records to 480.
I have a couple of hard drive recorders at work with analog tuners that have an HDMI output, even though there are no true HDTV sources. The output on the HDMI is uprezzed from a 480i source.

The manual does state that the selected resolution will be output via the HDMI, up to 1080p, so I should be able to see the programs that broadcast in HD as that if I'm just using it as a second tuner. I often use it in PIP mode while using the TV as a PC monitor, but then often go full screen when something interesting comes on. It states that "all hi-def pictures will be down converted to standard def pictures when they are recorded on this unit". I assume this is for the HDD as well as DVD. So I realize that recorded programs will only be SD.
post #3011 of 3985
Tune into 87.7 now, it's "the final countdown", female DJ. people calling in and asking for "The Final Countdown", seem to have a few versions of this title, even non-English. Didn't even listen long enough to catch who the jock was, or if she really indeed is live. No video on channel 6 except for a black screen.
Edited by dannykewl - 9/6/12 at 12:46pm
post #3012 of 3985
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Originally Posted by dannykewl View Post

Tune into 87.7 now, it's "the final countdown", female DJ. people calling in and asking for "The Final Countdown", seem to have a few versions of this title, even non-English. Didn't even listen long enough to catch who the jock was, or if she really indeed is live. No video on channel 6 except for a black screen.

Probably another pre-recorded loop.
post #3013 of 3985
So, WLFM 87.7 has been on air and testing for about two months already, and it seems like they haven't done a thing to improve the quality of their station. The audio is terrible, sounds like its being streamed from the internet and rapidly drops out at times. When they were showing the Cleveland skyline on channel 6, the video would flicker and shake on certain slides. And finally, the station randomly goes off air for a few moments.

Seriously, who's going to listen to a station with all these issues? Seems to me that there's no sense for them to spend the money on a station that’s only going to last until 2015.
post #3014 of 3985
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

So, WLFM 87.7 has been on air and testing for about two months already, and it seems like they haven't done a thing to improve the quality of their station. The audio is terrible, sounds like its being streamed from the internet and rapidly drops out at times. When they were showing the Cleveland skyline on channel 6, the video would flicker and shake on certain slides. And finally, the station randomly goes off air for a few moments.
Seriously, who's going to listen to a station with all these issues? Seems to me that there's no sense for them to spend the money on a station that’s only going to last until 2015.

I'm wondering if they are purposely holding that frequency and putting crap on it due to keep the freq going to someone else, thus tightening up what freq's are available in the area, to protect another established station or group of stations? I'm surprised the FCC hasn't stepped in with the constant horrible a/v quality.
post #3015 of 3985
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Originally Posted by wd8kct View Post

Semi-transparent bug... even more annoying are the half-hour informercials in the morning...

What infomercials?
post #3016 of 3985
Wow! Someone at 87.7 must have read my comment about the iffy audio/video quality. I'm listening to 87.7 right now and the quality is MUCH better than before. The Cleveland skyline slideshow is also back on channel 6. The video isn't flicking anymore, but now it shows compression artifacts and keeps disappearing to black.

Wish they would have picked a different format other than rock-alternative. I have a HD Radio, and with it's many stations the only ones I listen to are WHOF-HD1 & WMJI-HD2.
post #3017 of 3985
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

Wow! Someone at 87.7 must have read my comment about the iffy audio/video quality. I'm listening to 87.7 right now and the quality is MUCH better than before. The Cleveland skyline slideshow is also back on channel 6. The video isn't flicking anymore, but now it shows compression artifacts and keeps disappearing to black.
Wish they would have picked a different format other than rock-alternative. I have a HD Radio, and with it's many stations the only ones I listen to are WHOF-HD1 & WMJI-HD2.

Big surprise finally that 87.7 is finally "real" and they sound pretty darn good, just had them on the car radio for the last 3 hours as I had to drive from West Park to Medina and back, strong signal and good audio all the way. The music mix reminds me of V1073, which I miss (I'm prolly one of the few who miss them).
post #3018 of 3985
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Originally Posted by dannykewl View Post

Big surprise finally that 87.7 is finally "real" and they sound pretty darn good, just had them on the car radio for the last 3 hours as I had to drive from West Park to Medina and back, strong signal and good audio all the way. The music mix reminds me of V1073, which I miss (I'm prolly one of the few who miss them).
I miss 1073 too! WLFM sounds similar. The only thing missing are the old WMMS Coffeebreak Concert tracks that V1073 used to play.

I was home for a late lunch break and turned on the analog TV to see what they were showing on video. Only a black screen while I was watching. Last night they still had a very pixelated slide show (worse than before). A black screen is better than bad pixels. (Kinda odd to see pixellation on an analog signal)

Wait and see if they gain a picture on Monday when their morning show debuts.

OOH - Hang on Sloopy is playing now! So they are going back to the 60's (just like V1073). Hey, they have the rare "red dress verse" - and in stereo!!!!!
post #3019 of 3985
WEWS showed off their new news set today along with a new graphics package. What's interesting is that WEWS placed their 'bug' outside of the 4x3 safe zone. This is probably because more people have 16x9 TVs now than 4x3. Hopefully other stations and networks will soon move their bugs outside of the 4x3 safe zone.

I remember when I got my HDTV back in 2007. Almost all the networks had their bugs outside the 4x3 safe zone, and they were small, too. Then as the digital transition got closer, the networks moved their bugs inside the 4x3 safe zone and made them bigger so they could be seen on older TVs. WJW never bothered to do anything with theirs during network programming, and has been the same since I can remember. WVIZ had a small version of their old logo that was also outside of the 4x3 safe zone, but I only saw it a few times. Of course, that was back when they were still blasting out a whopping 1kw signal. smile.gif
post #3020 of 3985
WLFM-LP comes in great everywhere around here, but gets a little spotty around the Copley/Norton area. I swear it has to do with the Akron antenna farm and all the other radio stations that interfere with their blanketing interference. Even south of Akron it comes in better. I know when I drive by the 94.9 WQMX tower, it almost completely obliterates 95.5 The Fish.
post #3021 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Andrew K View Post

WLFM-LP comes in great everywhere around here, but gets a little spotty around the Copley/Norton area. I swear it has to do with the Akron antenna farm and all the other radio stations that interfere with their blanketing interference. Even south of Akron it comes in better. I know when I drive by the 94.9 WQMX tower, it almost completely obliterates 95.5 The Fish.
I think it has more to to with the terrain in that area. When you drive south on 77 out of Bath there is a big hill. The TV tower for the old WAKR was placed where it was so that this hill would block ABC programs from competing with WEWS in Cuyahoga County. Unfortunately when ABC was no longer carried on ch 23 they never moved the tower. This also affects ch 49 which became PBS (for you younger folks ch 49 was the original channel for WAKR/ABC. Case in point when ch 67 (digital 47) was moved north they put the tower in western Portage County where it gets decent reception in Cuyahoga County. If ION and WEAO wanted to improve their OTA reception to the north they should abandon the West Akron antenna farm.
post #3022 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

I think it has more to to with the terrain in that area. When you drive south on 77 out of Bath there is a big hill. The TV tower for the old WAKR was placed where it was so that this hill would block ABC programs from competing with WEWS in Cuyahoga County. Unfortunately when ABC was no longer carried on ch 23 they never moved the tower. This also affects ch 49 which became PBS (for you younger folks ch 49 was the original channel for WAKR/ABC. Case in point when ch 67 (digital 47) was moved north they put the tower in western Portage County where it gets decent reception in Cuyahoga County. If ION and WEAO wanted to improve their OTA reception to the north they should abandon the West Akron antenna farm.

No, I'm certain it's the antenna farm. It affects signals coming from every direction... Youngstown, Canton, Wooster, etc. I can't get several Youngstown FMs, but just go a little west, which is further away, and the signals improve. Every time I'm anywhere near the towers, even in my car, I hear the static. WZIP interferes with 87.7 fm. I don't seem to have this issue with digital TV stations.
post #3023 of 3985
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WZIP interferes with 87.7 fm
It may be your radio. Here in the Parma antenna farm you would think that would be a bigger problem, but it isn't. The only station to get "stepped on" on my Ford radio was 107.3, and that was limited to one small spot on State Rd. near the WMJI transmitter.

The sensitivity on radio tuners vary widely. A different radio may have no problem at all sitting next to another station's transmitter.
post #3024 of 3985
If you go up near the stick for 92.3/95.5 off Emery Rd. in Warrensville Hts., you will notice weaker stations getting enveloped by white noise maybe a quarter mile away, and if you drive up to the antenna as far as you're legally allowed to go, you can park right at the fence that says "No entry - RF hazard", pretty much everything is wiped out there, except for 92.3 and 95.5, just a lot of white noise otherwise. I don't know if you can still drive into there, this was several years ago when the WCLV Radio Ranch was there.
post #3025 of 3985
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Originally Posted by dannykewl View Post

If you go up near the stick for 92.3/95.5 off Emery Rd. in Warrensville Hts., you will notice weaker stations getting enveloped by white noise maybe a quarter mile away, and if you drive up to the antenna as far as you're legally allowed to go, you can park right at the fence that says "No entry - RF hazard", pretty much everything is wiped out there, except for 92.3 and 95.5, just a lot of white noise otherwise. I don't know if you can still drive into there, this was several years ago when the WCLV Radio Ranch was there.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. I live in the epicenter of the Akron antenna farm... about a mile from each of the towers. That white noise seems to overpower the weaker stations, but I move just a couple miles away, and everything is perfectly fine. Whenever I get near the towers, my car radio gets much weaker signals, loses the RDS info., and you begin to hear static. The interesting thing is... when I use the scan feature on my car radio when I'm near the towers, all it can scan are the radio stations that I'm next to. It won't scan anything else.

I have the Sangean ATS 909x which is supposed to be one of the most sensitive and selective portable radios you can buy, and even it can't remove that "blanketing interference". The signal levels on that radio are all lower here at my house, but move a couple miles away, and everything is up to optimum signal level.

95.5 isn't in the Parma antenna farm, so it's shouldn't be blocked by much terrain where I live, but whenever I drive really close by the 94.9 tower, it's almost completely gone. Unfortunately where I live, I don't think anything can be done about the problem.
post #3026 of 3985
With the exception of FOX 8 on Pleasant Valley Rd. and WCPN on State RD. you can't get close enough to the Parma towers for blanketing interference. Well I guess there may be some issues along the side street that runs alongside WKYC/WVIZ's tower or the other side streets by the WUAB tower which may have 106.5 IIRC. The majority of the towers here are TV. The FM sticks are piggy-backed for the most part on existing TV towers. For example I believe WDOK is on the WQHS stick behind Camp Corde. WMJI is next to WEWS. WCPN is on the shortest stick in the neighborhood, I believe they use the full 50 KW, as opposed to the piggy-backers that opt for a higher tower with lower power. Perhaps that is why there is less interference around here.

Does anyone know about WQMX and the other Akron station's tower heights? I wonder if they take the WCPN route (500' 50k) or the WDOK route (higher up with a cut in power to equal the same ERP as 500'/50k)?
post #3027 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

With the exception of FOX 8 on Pleasant Valley Rd. and WCPN on State RD. you can't get close enough to the Parma towers for blanketing interference. Well I guess there may be some issues along the side street that runs alongside WKYC/WVIZ's tower or the other side streets by the WUAB tower which may have 106.5 IIRC. The majority of the towers here are TV. The FM sticks are piggy-backed for the most part on existing TV towers. For example I believe WDOK is on the WQHS stick behind Camp Corde. WMJI is next to WEWS. WCPN is on the shortest stick in the neighborhood, I believe they use the full 50 KW, as opposed to the piggy-backers that opt for a higher tower with lower power. Perhaps that is why there is less interference around here.
I believe WMJI is on the WBNX tower located in the West Creek Reservation off of Ridgewood Drive. There's a path that goes past WBNX's tower, and it's like 65 feet away from the tower's base! WLFM 87.7 is also on that tower along with W35AX and WCDN. I'm surprised that WBNX allowed the Metroparks to put the path that close to the tower. You would think that RF hazards would be present. Anyhow, I guess that you could walk down there with a portable radio to analyze any interference, but you would have to wait until the West Creek Reservation construction is complete.
post #3028 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

With the exception of FOX 8 on Pleasant Valley Rd. and WCPN on State RD. you can't get close enough to the Parma towers for blanketing interference. Well I guess there may be some issues along the side street that runs alongside WKYC/WVIZ's tower or the other side streets by the WUAB tower which may have 106.5 IIRC. The majority of the towers here are TV. The FM sticks are piggy-backed for the most part on existing TV towers. For example I believe WDOK is on the WQHS stick behind Camp Corde. WMJI is next to WEWS. WCPN is on the shortest stick in the neighborhood, I believe they use the full 50 KW, as opposed to the piggy-backers that opt for a higher tower with lower power. Perhaps that is why there is less interference around here.
Does anyone know about WQMX and the other Akron station's tower heights? I wonder if they take the WCPN route (500' 50k) or the WDOK route (higher up with a cut in power to equal the same ERP as 500'/50k)?

The Akron radio stations are all below 20 kw and are all high up the towers, but the blanketing interference is still evident within about a 1-2 mile radius. One thing I noticed is that when I'm further away from the Akron or Cleveland towers (like in Medina for example), all signals come in great.
post #3029 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

I think it has more to to with the terrain in that area. When you drive south on 77 out of Bath there is a big hill. The TV tower for the old WAKR was placed where it was so that this hill would block ABC programs from competing with WEWS in Cuyahoga County.

Is that really the reason, as WEWS was originally a CBS affiliate when WAKR first signed on. Or did they transmit from a different site when they were on 49?
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

Case in point when ch 67 (digital 47) was moved north they put the tower in western Portage County where it gets decent reception in Cuyahoga County. If ION and WEAO wanted to improve their OTA reception to the north they should abandon the West Akron antenna farm.

However, if 23 and 49 moved to Portage county, they would lose the western part of the market. 47 is the only Cleveland/Akron station that I can't receive (w/o tropo) west of Medina, and even WNIR/100.1, which transmits from the same area, is barely receivable here, and completely inaudible in most of Lorain county and western Medina county (and even far western Cuyahoga).
post #3030 of 3985
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Originally Posted by nsa1062 View Post

Is that really the reason, as WEWS was originally a CBS affiliate when WAKR first signed on. Or did they transmit from a different site when they were on 49?
However, if 23 and 49 moved to Portage county, they would lose the western part of the market. 47 is the only Cleveland/Akron station that I can't receive (w/o tropo) west of Medina, and even WNIR/100.1, which transmits from the same area, is barely receivable here, and completely inaudible in most of Lorain county and western Medina county (and even far western Cuyahoga).
AFAIK ch 49 was transmitted from the same or similar location as it is today, and that the "protection" was in effect (or maybe it was just dumb luck that the west end of Akron was chosen in the days before much was known about terrain's affect on TV signals.

Don't judge WNIR's signal as a benchmark on transmitters in western Portage County. WNIR is only a "class A" FM signal. If it had the class B power of the other Akron stations at the sam Portage location you would probably get fine reception at your Median County location.
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