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post #3151 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

Thanks for the link. It's unfortunate that they could not find any video from WKBF, however here are a couple of YouTube videos that have that missing footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6vlDO4CtwM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_tOLBnr_1Y
(the second link was produced by a friend of mine).
Awesome videos! Too bad the station had to fall in the hands of Univision. Foreign and religious networks are a waste of a perfectly good channel. I wish that WQHS would trade its digital RF 34 channel with 8 or 19 so that they can get off of VHF.

I just had a thought, what if the re-launched WCLQ had shut down operations 1-2 years before WOIO and WBNX signed on? That would have allowed WOIO or WBNX to buy the WCLQ facilities, probably saving them some money from building their studios/transmitters. Then we would have had a station like WOIO 61 or WBNX 61 and no 19 or 55, at least until someone decided to start another station on one of those channels.

Think of the brand names...
WOIO - FOX 61
WOIO - CBS 61
WBNX - TV 61
WBNX - WB 61

61 ACTION NEWS
Honest, Fair, At the end of your UHF dial! biggrin.gif
post #3152 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

I haven't seen ANY tropo in months now, though the winter solstice is supposeve a hot time for regional tropo.

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The winter solstice has no effect on tropo, but there is a "winter season" for sporadic-E skip, around the time of the solstice. It is not nearly as important as the major season around the summer solstice, but it is better than the mid-September-late November period and infinitely better than the February through (in our latitude) April period during which Es is very rare indeed.

Do keep in mind that tropo certainly can occur around the solstice, just as it can any time of year, it too, though, more rare than in the summer months..
post #3153 of 3985
Guess its been a while since I did a full up/down channel surf. When did Ion add a 4th channel? ID tag shows it as being Ishop but they are airing a second (and different) feed of Ion Life.
post #3154 of 3985
a couple weeks now...Its the west coast feed of IonLife

Most of the O&O Ion affiliates added it
post #3155 of 3985
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Originally Posted by rluyster View Post

I mentioned this in an earlier post but one thing I always think of first when someone mentions deteriorating signal levels was my experience with moisture getting into the coax. To rule this out, I would try a temporary run of new outdoor coax to your TV and see if it makes any improvement. Unfortunately, proper coax protection is sometimes not done by installers. As mentioned earlier, I experienced a problem with this and my brother has also had similar problems. ...Another thing to keep in mind is that TV signals are many times enhanced by summer weather conditions, hours of daylight etc. and then return to lower levels when fall and winter arrives. I have almost daily reception here in the summer of some of the Pittsburgh stations and then see this completely disappear in the fall and winter.

To all that offered help, I just wanted to update you with the fix for my lost signal issues. When I installed my pre-amp the coax connectors I used were poor quality. I have since purchased outdoor rated compression connectors and replaced the junk ones. My signal is perfect again. 70% to 80% signal from most Cleveland stations now (except channel 19 of course).

Thanks again for your suggestions.
post #3156 of 3985
Here's something I thought might be of interest. WEWS-TV 5's Video Vault on it's website has posted a very rare 1953 Documentary called RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES. It is a history of Cleveland Television up to October, 1953..The 20-minute documentary covers:

Planned power increases for all Cleveland VHF Stations, along with Channel 4 moving to 3 and 9 moving to 8

Progress of Youngstown Channels 27 and 73(later 21)

Progress of Ashtabula Channel 15

Progress of Akron Channel 49

Planned stations on Channels 19 and 65 for Cleveland and 23 for Massillon-Canton..

There is also vintage film of city skylines, as well as some film of programs in progress at each station already on the air..

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/news_archives/video-vault-cleveland-tv-right-before-your-eyes

This is about as old a complete program you'll find locally..Fascinatng..
post #3157 of 3985
I noticed the label on 23.4 has been changed to IONShop. However, they are still showing the west coast feed of ION Life.
post #3158 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Tim Lones View Post

Here's something I thought might be of interest. WEWS-TV 5's Video Vault on it's website has posted a very rare 1953 Documentary called RIGHT BEFORE YOUR EYES. It is a history of Cleveland Television up to October, 1953..The 20-minute documentary covers:
Planned power increases for all Cleveland VHF Stations, along with Channel 4 moving to 3 and 9 moving to 8
Progress of Youngstown Channels 27 and 73(later 21)
Progress of Ashtabula Channel 15
Progress of Akron Channel 49
Planned stations on Channels 19 and 65 for Cleveland and 23 for Massillon-Canton..
There is also vintage film of city skylines, as well as some film of programs in progress at each station already on the air..
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/news_archives/video-vault-cleveland-tv-right-before-your-eyes
This is about as old a complete program you'll find locally..Fascinatng..
Very interesting. Someone should add the two planned but nevered aired stations to Wikipedia:
WMAC 23 (WVPX)
WERE 65 (WXOX/WLFM)
post #3159 of 3985
Anyone else noticing WVIZ's programming tonight (Friday) totally out of sync with the schedule? I came home to watch PBS Newshour on my D* DVR, and on the 6:00 pm recording the ending credits of the Newshour are being displayed, and then Nightly Business Report starts. confused.gif So I restart my receiver thinking the DVR screwed up but then later on check the OTA channel 25-1 and WVIZ is showing the wrong programs.

It's 11:38 now and Bill Moyers is being shown when the guide says it should be Tavis Smiley.

Oddly enough the WVIZ OTA subchannels -2 -3 -4 are displaying the correct programming.
post #3160 of 3985
PBS provides a national schedule via satellite. My local PBS station once used it for several days after a catastrophic equipment failure left them unable to run the local schedule as usual. It's possible WVIZ has something similar going on.

- Trip
post #3161 of 3985
Yesterday 25 and 3 were off the air for a while.
JJK
post #3162 of 3985
I'm home in Northeast Ohio flipping through the channels, and I turn on WUAB's OTA broadcast of the Cavs game....and the picture looks like an upconverted analog signal with some minor ghosting. Are all of the games this bad? Even the aspect is questionable since some of the commercials seem cut off on the top of the screen. Perhaps FOX wants the best picture for their cable/sateliite customers who get their RSN, so they can continue to help drive up the cost of cable....

I also see that they have ceded all of the production to Fox Sports...When was the last time that WUAB even did Cavs game in house? I remember when they lost the rights to the Indians in 2001, and it's been downhill since then, that and slowly giving away their audience to WBNX....
post #3163 of 3985
You're right. Looks terrible on WUAB OTA but on Fox Sports Ohio via DirecTV it looks great.
post #3164 of 3985
Hi all! New to this forum and new to OTA TV. We knew it was time to cut that cable when we realized the kids were watching mostly Netflix anymore.

The only difficulty I'm having is with WOIO 19.1. I've done some searching and lots of reading here, and see that I'm not alone, this appears to be the trickiest channel to bring in reliably. I would like to have this fixed before the SuperBowl.

I'm in Solon, using a Winegard MS-2002, at a gable peak outside, about 15 ft off the ground. There are no nearby obstructions to the west.

I get a picture, but it stutters and pixelates frequently on 19.1, even though my Toshiba TV says I have 4/5 bars signal strength. All other channels work flawlessly. including 19.2.

I'm looking for any suggestions. Do I need a dedicated VHF antenna? An FM trap? Is this interference from CFPL?

Thanks!
TS
post #3165 of 3985
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Originally Posted by TyroneShoes View Post

Hi all! New to this forum and new to OTA TV. We knew it was time to cut that cable when we realized the kids were watching mostly Netflix anymore.
The only difficulty I'm having is with WOIO 19.1. I've done some searching and lots of reading here, and see that I'm not alone, this appears to be the trickiest channel to bring in reliably. I would like to have this fixed before the SuperBowl.
I'm in Solon, using a Winegard MS-2002, at a gable peak outside, about 15 ft off the ground. There are no nearby obstructions to the west.
I get a picture, but it stutters and pixelates frequently on 19.1, even though my Toshiba TV says I have 4/5 bars signal strength. All other channels work flawlessly. including 19.2.
I'm looking for any suggestions. Do I need a dedicated VHF antenna? An FM trap? Is this interference from CFPL?
Thanks!
TS
The Winegard MS-2002 is a UHF only antenna. WOIO transmits on RF 10, which is on VHF. A combination UHF/VHF outdoor antenna should clear up your problems with WOIO and will help improve reception of WJW, also transmitting on VHF. Something like this antenna would be suitable for your area. (On clear days, I can see the TV towers at the intersection of Cochran and Solon Road).
post #3166 of 3985
Thanks snowdog, but all the documents that came with the antenna claimed that it was UHF/VHF. And I'm having no issues at all bringing in channel 8.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882557014
post #3167 of 3985
Also, shouldn't I be able to pick up WOIO on 24 out of Akron? I have no trouble getting ION on 23 and TBN on 17. Antennaweb says these are from the Akron area.
post #3168 of 3985
The MS 2002 works fine with both UHF and VHF. Been using it for years myself, picks up 8 and 19 just fine. Watched the entire (albeit, sad) Browns game yesterday via OTA Ch 19-1 CBS in full 5.1 surround, came in great.

Possible differences between your setup in Solon and mine in Strongsville (I'm in the very NW corner of Strongsville, one street from Columbia Station and six streets from Berea):
- maybe I'm closer to the towers?
- better terrain?
- mine is mounted much higher than yours (guessing twice as high as your 15 feet), second floor + chimney + couple feet on mast

No FM trap that I know of, unless it came with the power amp included with the MS 2002. Best I can offer. frown.gif
post #3169 of 3985
I am on the lower of two peaks, I could get up another 10 feet. I think that's my next thing to try. The lower one was a LOT easier to get to in this weather.
post #3170 of 3985
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Originally Posted by TyroneShoes View Post

Thanks snowdog, but all the documents that came with the antenna claimed that it was UHF/VHF. And I'm having no issues at all bringing in channel 8.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882557014
Hmmm... Never saw a VHF/UHF antenna configuration in that kind of package before- only UHF. It probably is a UHF only antenna, but is marketed as HI-VHF/UHF. That said, it is possible to receive high VHF channels (7-13) with a UHF antenna, but you have to be within a certain distance from the transmitters in order to get a decent signal. The problem with WOIO is that because they are so close to CFPL, they have a hard null in their signal towards the north. Your town should just make it outside the null, but their wimpy 9.5 kw of power doesn't help either.
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=80&q=call%3dwoio-dt

You also don't need the amplifier turned on for your antenna. That’s for people that live 40 miles or more from the transmitters. Using it within close distance of the towers results in overload, which causes "weak" reception. If possible, turn the amp off and see if WOIO improves. Check your cable too and make sure you are using RG-6 grade coaxial. RG-59 is the cheap stuff and will cause signal loss and interference.
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Originally Posted by TyroneShoes View Post

Also, shouldn't I be able to pick up WOIO on 24 out of Akron? I have no trouble getting ION on 23 and TBN on 17. Antennaweb says these are from the Akron area.
RF 24 is a low power (smaller coverage area) repeater station for those who can't receive WOIO's full power signal in the Akron/Canton area. Although not intended for the northern counties, it is possible to receive RF 24 in parts of southern Cuyahoga country.
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=80&q=call%3dwoio%26type%3dD
post #3171 of 3985
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Originally Posted by TyroneShoes View Post

I am on the lower of two peaks, I could get up another 10 feet. I think that's my next thing to try. The lower one was a LOT easier to get to in this weather.
Rising your antenna will probably help. Moving it to a different location will also help. It could be as simple as being in a bad spot. (My problem with WUAB).
post #3172 of 3985
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

You also don't need the amplifier turned on for your antenna. That’s for people that live 40 miles or more from the transmitters. Using it within close distance of the towers results in overload, which causes "weak" reception. If possible, turn the amp off and see if WOIO improves. Check your cable too and make sure you are using RG-6 grade coaxial. RG-59 is the cheap stuff and will cause signal loss and interference.
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=80&q=call%3dwoio%26type%3dD

The cabling is all RG-6.

This antenna has a built in preamp and a power injector. I can't make any power adjustments on the antenna itself, all I can do is unplug the power injector, and that makes ALL signals disappear.
post #3173 of 3985
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Originally Posted by TyroneShoes View Post

The cabling is all RG-6.
This antenna has a built in preamp and a power injector. I can't make any power adjustments on the antenna itself, all I can do is unplug the power injector, and that makes ALL signals disappear.

Yeah, I never tried mine absent the power injector/amplifier thingy. No idea if it works without it. I happen to use RG59 Quad Shield without issue. I'd certainly recommend RG6 but RG59 is what I had in abundance and it works fine for my install.
post #3174 of 3985
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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post

Yeah, I never tried mine absent the power injector/amplifier thingy. No idea if it works without it. I happen to use RG59 Quad Shield without issue. I'd certainly recommend RG6 but RG59 is what I had in abundance and it works fine for my install.
RG-59 quad shield? Never heard of it!

I remember cutting the connector off of some RG-59 cable that I had. The shielding was no more than 5 very thin copper wires.
post #3175 of 3985
Thanks for the help guys. It was indeed antenna placement. I braved the snow to get the antenna down, and tested it from the highest point INSIDE the attic. I've lost 1 bar (now 3/5) on the Akron station ION, but it still works. All the Cleveland stations, though, even WOIO, are 5/5 with no stuttering. Amazing, even from inside, the move 10 feet west, and 7 feet vertically did the trick.

When the weather breaks and I can get on the roof again, I'll try that spot, but on the outside, if I have any trouble with those Akron stations.
post #3176 of 3985
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Originally Posted by TyroneShoes View Post

Thanks for the help guys. It was indeed antenna placement. I braved the snow to get the antenna down, and tested it from the highest point INSIDE the attic. I've lost 1 bar (now 3/5) on the Akron station ION, but it still works. All the Cleveland stations, though, even WOIO, are 5/5 with no stuttering. Amazing, even from inside, the move 10 feet west, and 7 feet vertically did the trick.
When the weather breaks and I can get on the roof again, I'll try that spot, but on the outside, if I have any trouble with those Akron stations.
Good job! Glad we could help. Placement is a big factor when it comes to antennas. Moving it usually helps improve a problem channel, although it may degrade another that was coming in fine.

Ion should be fine. You will get a perfect picture regardless if the signal strength indicator on your TV is at 1 bar or 5 bars, assuming that’s how your TV is programmed. Are you receiving WEAO 49 from Akron also?
post #3177 of 3985
Yes, I'm getting 49 as well.

I have an HD Homerun on my network, which gives signal strength in a percentage. I'm pretty happy with the results now:

3 - 100%
5 - 100%
8 - 100%
19 - 100%
23 - 92%
25 - 100%
43 - 88%
49 - 62%
55 - 89%
61 - 100%

Thanks again!
post #3178 of 3985
WOIO and WUAB are off Cox Cable tonight...money dispute. Any of you forced to go to OTA to pick up 19 and 43?

Re: Cavs and WUAB...in the past year or two, they've been passing the direct Fox Sports Ohio HD feed (all games on 43 are now FSO simulcasts). They aren't doing that this year?
post #3179 of 3985
I just bought my first HDTV and tuned to the CAVS game on WUAB. I saw the same thing - an uprezzed and stretched SD signal from FSO. WUAB OTA CAVS games never looked that bad in the past, but I was watching on an SDTV in letterbox. The FSO picture on Dish Network was crystal clear.
post #3180 of 3985
WVPX 23.4 (ShopTV) seems like its up and running now. So far it looks like it’s nothing but infomercials taking up precious bandwidth. My impression was that ShopTV was going to be like HSN or QVC, but it looks like it’s going to be similar to what we had on WRAP 32. Of course, they have to air something that meets FCC's E/I guidelines. That programming will probably come from Qubo.

ShopTV... Meet the delete channel menu biggrin.gif
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