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post #3451 of 3985
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

Yeah, trees seem to be a big problem for VHF. I can receive both WJW and WOIO somewhat well inside my house with my coathanger antenna. My neighbor across the street has a bunch of trees in his backyard, and after taking my coathanger antenna over to his house, we couldn't receive WJW or WOIO at all, no matter how hard we tried. Few of the UHF stations (particularly WBNX) were also a bit picky over at his house.

Conventional wisdom has always had it that deciduous trees affect UHF and VHF signals about equally (not much at all), while needleleaf (pine) trees affect UHF significantly more than VHF.

Either type has a devastating effect on SHF (i.e., the frequencies used by home satellite dishes)
post #3452 of 3985
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Originally Posted by itsthemultipath! View Post

Conventional wisdom has always had it that deciduous trees affect UHF and VHF signals about equally (not much at all), while needleleaf (pine) trees affect UHF significantly more than VHF.

Either type has a devastating effect on SHF (i.e., the frequencies used by home satellite dishes)
WEAO is problematic for me, mostly because my antenna isn't aimed towards Akron. I noticed when the leaves start popping out, then the station starts to become a nightmare. This is true for WDLI but not as much for WVPX, (as of late). I also think the snow and the clear sky during the winter months helps improve reception.
post #3453 of 3985
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

I was picking up CBET/9, WTOL/11, WTVG/13, WKBD/50 and WFXP/66 last night as well as short lived WXYZ/7 and WWJ/62.

WFXP was coming in pretty good with my coathanger antenna. I received a hint of RF 16 but got no picture, which I think is WSEE.

Also saw no trace of WPXD/31 which usually comes in along with WMYD/20 and WKBD/50. Just read today that they moved off of RF 31 over to RF 50 almost a year ago, which explains why WEAO wasn't coming in for me. At least that gives way for WJW if and when they ever move back to RF 31.

Rotor, Directional or Omni?

Nearly no obstructions between any of these locations, though never see them any more (& I really don't need the antenna height in this instance .. The back end of my antenna is pointed @ Erie also. WJET is still on RF24 (??), I get just enough of a signal from WOIO's '24' repeater to null that. Speaking of WOIO the band was up this morning giving me a very pixilated 19 (once again), though 8 being problimatic lately was fine... anyone seeing CFPL in the outskirts?
post #3454 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

Rotor, Directional or Omni?

Nearly no obstructions between any of these locations, though never see them any more (& I really don't need the antenna height in this instance .. The back end of my antenna is pointed @ Erie also. WJET is still on RF24 (??), I get just enough of a signal from WOIO's '24' repeater to null that. Speaking of WOIO the band was up this morning giving me a very pixilated 19 (once again), though 8 being problimatic lately was fine... anyone seeing CFPL in the outskirts?
All stations (except WFXP) were received with my Radio Shack VU-190XR antenna aimed towards the Parma transmitters, no rotor, about 20 feet off the ground. I used my coathanger antenna (holding it by hand) to receive WFXP.
post #3455 of 3985
Yep. Where I am, the WOIO translator is so weak that WJET was way over them and coming in strong last Friday along with WFXP/66.
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

WJET is still on RF24 (??)
post #3456 of 3985
Did anyone watch 19 Action News on Wednesday when they delivered a cake to Wilma Smith? Fox 8 presented a cake to 19 that read Fox 8 News at 4, coming soon.

I should hope not! Fox 8 already airs enough news. And to make it worse, it's the same video, same dialog, word-for-word, every hour, every broadcast! Why don't they start a 8.3 "news now" subchannel where they can run repeats of a certain broadcast? It's better then repeating themselves over and over again. Apparently the station has enough money to pay their reporters and anchors.

Here's the video in case you missed it.
post #3457 of 3985
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Originally Posted by itsthemultipath! View Post

Conventional wisdom has always had it that deciduous trees affect UHF and VHF signals about equally (not much at all), while needleleaf (pine) trees affect UHF significantly more than VHF.

Either type has a devastating effect on SHF (i.e., the frequencies used by home satellite dishes)
It was always my belief that leafy trees affected UHF more than VHF. The fact that higher UHF channels tended to have better reception in the winter after the leaves fell attested to that belief.
post #3458 of 3985
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

Did anyone watch 19 Action News on Wednesday when they delivered a cake to Wilma Smith? Fox 8 presented a cake to 19 that read Fox 8 News at 4, coming soon.

I should hope not! Fox 8 already airs enough news. And to make it worse, it's the same video, same dialog, word-for-word, every hour, every broadcast! Why don't they start a 8.3 "news now" subchannel where they can run repeats of a certain broadcast? It's better then repeating themselves over and over again. Apparently the station has enough money to pay their reporters and anchors.

Here's the video in case you missed it.

Not happening. Fox 8 will not get rid of Judge Judy for another hour of news. Now if all the other stations in the market had a 4pm news then Fox 8 would consider it.

It seems obvious that the 8/19 action was pre-arranged. Once 19 told 8 what they had planned, 8 decided to be creative and come up with a tounge-in-cheek cake design, Considering that 19 is the only station with a 4pm newscast, this was a perfect opportunity to be creative.

EDIT: I stand corrected. They WILL BE doing a 4pm newscast.

http://www.cleveland.com/tv-blog/index.ssf/2013/03/melissa_mack_returning_to_wjw_channel_8_for_new_4_pm_newscast.html
Edited by dmking12370 - 5/30/13 at 1:23pm
post #3459 of 3985
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Originally Posted by dmking12370 View Post

Not happening. Fox 8 will not get rid of Judge Judy for another hour of news. Now if all the other stations in the market had a 4pm news then Fox 8 would consider it.

It seems obvious that the 8/19 action was pre-arranged. Once 19 told 8 what they had planned, 8 decided to be creative and come up with a tounge-in-cheek cake design, Considering that 19 is the only station with a 4pm newscast, this was a perfect opportunity to be creative.

EDIT: I stand corrected. They WILL BE doing a 4pm newscast.

http://www.cleveland.com/tv-blog/index.ssf/2013/03/melissa_mack_returning_to_wjw_channel_8_for_new_4_pm_newscast.html
Instead of paying their reporters to repeat themselves like broken records, why don't they use that money to improve their signal? I'm sure many people have been missing Judge Judy since 2009. There just isn't enough news happening in Cleveland to have all these newscasts, especially when ~30% of their signal covers Lake Erie. 5 big stories and useless filler material 11 times a day plus a repeat of their 10 PM news at 1AM? Seems like they want to keep people away from websites where you can access stories anywhere anytime.
post #3460 of 3985
They would be better off showing the Big Chuck & Little John reruns.
JJK
post #3461 of 3985
WQHS re-appeared on my HDTV today. They must have fixed the problem with their encoder.
post #3462 of 3985
I get them both on 61.1 and 34.1. Is there a reason they are doing this?
JJK
post #3463 of 3985
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Originally Posted by JJkizak View Post

I get them both on 61.1 and 34.1. Is there a reason they are doing this?
JJK
Try rescanning your TV. It may have confused your TV when some of us couldn't receive WQHS within the past month.

Just noticed, the TV side of WLFM seems to be off the air. I can still receive them on my radio.
post #3464 of 3985
I live in shaker heights and have cut the cord. I've had trouble with an indoor antenna getting a continuous clean signal on all channels without adjusting position even with an omnidirectional antenna (RCA ant1650r). I get occasional audio dropouts and pixelation on certain channels depending on position. I'm thinking of mounting an RCA ant751r on my now unneeded directv dish mount. Pretty much all stations I watch are in one direction except ION (23.1, WPVX). I haven't actually had much trouble getting this channel with my current antenna. Since the ant751 is directional would I have trouble getting 23.1 if I aim it closer to all the other stations? Thanks.
post #3465 of 3985
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Originally Posted by confinoj View Post

I live in shaker heights and have cut the cord. I've had trouble with an indoor antenna getting a continuous clean signal on all channels without adjusting position even with an omnidirectional antenna (RCA ant1650r). I get occasional audio dropouts and pixelation on certain channels depending on position. I'm thinking of mounting an RCA ant751r on my now unneeded directv dish mount. Pretty much all stations I watch are in one direction except ION (23.1, WPVX). I haven't actually had much trouble getting this channel with my current antenna. Since the ant751 is directional would I have trouble getting 23.1 if I aim it closer to all the other stations? Thanks.
Depends on how high your DirectTV mount is on your house.

You can always aim the antenna away from the Parma transmitters but not directly towards Akron. That would help improve reception with WVPX and others in the Akron area while keeping the Cleveland stations strong. You should be close enough to receive the Cleveland stations reliability, no matter which way the antenna is facing. My uncle lives in Bedford and he has a directional UHF boom antenna in his attic facing towards Youngstown. He doesn't seem to have a problem receiving the Cleveland stations, but occasionally has problems with the Akron stations, particularly WEAO.

If and when you install the RCA ANT751R, you will probably receive two WOIO's. This is because WOIO has a low power repeater (RF 24) on the WVPX tower in order to cover the Akron/Canton area in places where their Parma transmitter can't. Since WOIO's repeater signal is much weaker compared to the other Akron stations, if you can receive it, then I don't think you should have a problem with WVPX.
post #3466 of 3985
Thanks. Will try ant751r this weekend.
post #3467 of 3985
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Originally Posted by JJkizak View Post

They would be better off showing the Big Chuck & Little John reruns.
JJK

Probably so, they are pre-empting something on Antenna with BC & LJ on Sunday nights around 7-8pm. As corney as that was I still enjoy it, though I think the younger set just wouldn't get it. BTW, when was the last time Ron Sweed (The Ghoul) made an appearance?

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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

WQHS re-appeared on my HDTV today. They must have fixed the problem with their encoder.

Actually not.. must be with certain sets.
post #3468 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

Probably so, they are pre-empting something on Antenna with BC & LJ on Sunday nights around 7-8pm. As corney as that was I still enjoy it, though I think the younger set just wouldn't get it. BTW, when was the last time Ron Sweed (The Ghoul) made an appearance?

Actually not.. must be with certain sets.
I believe they are pre-empting Antenna TV's broadcast of Benson in the 8 PM time slot, at least that was the case last time I checked. Originally I thought the WJW didn't have the rights to Benson, but I do see the show air at other times. If Antenna TV is having some sort of marathon on Sunday, WJW will not pre-empt programing with Big Chuck & Lil' John. I'm not 100% sure, but I think Big Chuck and Lil' John also airs Sunday morning on 8.2 right after some paid church broadcast.

Did you try rescanning your TV for channel 61? It just magically reappeared on my HDTV's with no problem a few days ago. If rescanning doesn't work, try scanning with the antenna disconnected. When the scan is complete, reconnect your antenna and rescan again. This should remove the old instance of WQHS from your TV's memory. Also, some (older) TVs have two scan options; one that adds new channels and one that does a complete rescan. You want to do a complete rescan. If all else fails, try resetting the TV.
post #3469 of 3985
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Originally Posted by confinoj View Post

I live in shaker heights and have cut the cord. I've had trouble with an indoor antenna getting a continuous clean signal on all channels without adjusting position even with an omnidirectional antenna (RCA ant1650r). I get occasional audio dropouts and pixelation on certain channels depending on position. I'm thinking of mounting an RCA ant751r on my now unneeded directv dish mount. Pretty much all stations I watch are in one direction except ION (23.1, WPVX). I haven't actually had much trouble getting this channel with my current antenna. Since the ant751 is directional would I have trouble getting 23.1 if I aim it closer to all the other stations? Thanks.
WVPX transmitter is located in West Akron, a good portion of Cuyahoga County is in the "shadow" of a terrain obstruction (aka Richfield which is the high point of Summit County). The tower was located there many years ago as an appeasement to WEWS (the original network affiliation for WAKR-TV was ABC). WAKR-TV was originally on ch 49 and then moved down to 23. So two Akron stations that no longer need to "protect" WEWS' turf are stuck in the Richfield shadow. You could aim a hyper-driectional antenna directly at West Akron and still not get a good signal thanks to the multipath caused by that terrain obstruction. THe only cure is height, you need to get a shot at the clean signal above the obstruction.
post #3470 of 3985
I always hoped that PAX (at the time) would affiliate WQHS with it's network so I wouldn't have to point my antenna towards Akron. Doesn't seem like there's anything good on WVPX anymore except for an occasional movie. I'm not into that Criminal Minds and NCIS stuff or whatever airs on their sub channels. Whatever happened to the family friendly programing that they use to air? Didn't that carry over from PAX to "i" and then to ION?
post #3471 of 3985
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

Did you try rescanning your TV for channel 61? It just magically reappeared on my HDTV's with no problem a few days ago. If rescanning doesn't work, try scanning with the antenna disconnected. When the scan is complete, reconnect your antenna and rescan again. This should remove the old instance of WQHS from your TV's memory. Also, some (older) TVs have two scan options; one that adds new channels and one that does a complete rescan. You want to do a complete rescan. If all else fails, try resetting the TV.

Never was an issue on my Westinghouse & LG boxes, though my Dad's Sony 61.1 is still programmed in gives full signal strength & reports 'no signal', it still comes in on 34.3, but I advised him not to rescan it in & just go manually if there is a desire to watch WQHS... so whatever thety did did not clear the issue with the Sony. I don't see where rescanning would help... do you?

With 23 being an occasional for him I think he's going to balk at rescanning, & even after rescanning it, I noted it leaves some old artifacts while knocking out perfectly good channels that are occasional. Now I wonder if he should just rescan 34?... it seems to put it in twice then.
post #3472 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

WVPX transmitter is located in West Akron, a good portion of Cuyahoga County is in the "shadow" of a terrain obstruction (aka Richfield which is the high point of Summit County). The tower was located there many years ago as an appeasement to WEWS (the original network affiliation for WAKR-TV was ABC). WAKR-TV was originally on ch 49 and then moved down to 23. So two Akron stations that no longer need to "protect" WEWS' turf are stuck in the Richfield shadow. You could aim a hyper-driectional antenna directly at West Akron and still not get a good signal thanks to the multipath caused by that terrain obstruction. THe only cure is height, you need to get a shot at the clean signal above the obstruction.

Since I live on the west side of Akron near the WVPX/WEAO/WDLI towers, the high terrain in Richfield should block much of the Cleveland signals for me. It does, but it’s not too bad. On most stations, I still receive nearly 100%, but I still NEED an outdoor antenna. An indoor antenna just won’t work for me… I’d be lucky to get 2 Cleveland stations with an indoor antenna.
post #3473 of 3985
Just checked my 2nd HDTV and 61 still had a black screen w/ no audio. A rescan brought the picture and audio back.
post #3474 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Andrew K View Post

Since I live on the west side of Akron near the WVPX/WEAO/WDLI towers, the high terrain in Richfield should block much of the Cleveland signals for me. It does, but it’s not too bad. On most stations, I still receive nearly 100%, but I still NEED an outdoor antenna. An indoor antenna just won’t work for me… I’d be lucky to get 2 Cleveland stations with an indoor antenna.
All Cleveland and Akron stations should relocate to Richfield - then the entire DMA would be better served (well except for Ashtabula County which should have repeaters).
post #3475 of 3985
Talked to 61 and was told their psip took a power surge and lost settins with no backup saved. Shouldn't be working in the industry for the way that station is run. worked all weekend and changed my mother inlaws panny back to antenna and it stopped working today. Filed fcc complaint.
post #3476 of 3985
Saw this during a commercial break this afternoon; The Ohio Lottery drawings and game show will be back on channel 5 starting July 1st. Either WEWS wanted it back or WKYC wanted to get rid of it. The funny thing is that the drawings are broadcast live from WEWS' studios and sent over to WKYC.

Anyone noticed the volume level of WBNX and it's sub-channels lately? They sound a bit on the quiet side compared to other stations. Sometimes 55.2 is just as loud as WCDN.
post #3477 of 3985
There is some good tropo tonight. I've been receiving Pittsburgh, Toledo and Columbus very clearly. I've already logged WTOL 11, WTVG 13, WCMH 4, WTOV 9, WTAE 4, WHIZ 18, KDKA 2, WOUC 44, WPMY 22, WPGH 53, and WIVN 29.
Edited by Andrew K - 6/17/13 at 5:39pm
post #3478 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Andrew K View Post

There is some good tropo tonight. I've been receiving Pittsburgh, Toledo and Columbus very clearly. I've already logged WTOL 11, WTVG 13, WCMH 4, WTOV 9, WTAE 4, WHIZ 18, KDKA 2, WOUC 44, WPMY 22, WPGH 53, and WIVN 29.

WTAE... that was quite a trip in! Only was able to pick up WOSU 34 & WTOL very briefly around 6am, of course this was wreaking havock with WOIO once again. ... band openings sporadically during the upcoming week, I'm just too low (& shadowed) here for good DX.

What happened to WLFM? Kinda glad I never programmed it into my set.
post #3479 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

All Cleveland and Akron stations should relocate to Richfield - then the entire DMA would be better served (well except for Ashtabula County which should have repeaters).

Oh no, that would leave me in a nice null, but I'd be curious how that would work out by me. Strange that Ashtabula & Conneaut is still in the Cleveland DMA being only 20 miles from Eries weak transmitters.

What happened to WVIZ's Thompson Repeater on 38 (or 44)?
post #3480 of 3985
One of my issues is that I’ve noticed FM interference on analog TV channels 7 and 9, since I live so close to some FM towers in Akron. I can hear the audio on analog TV. I purchased an FM trap from Radio Shack, but it doesn’t attenuate the FM band enough to get rid of this interference (only 6 dB). Last night when I was receiving Columbus and Pittsburgh, I didn’t get anything from WTRF 7 and barely a watchable picture on WTOV 9. I’m supposing that a lot of FM interference exists in high VHF due to the fact that it’s the FM frequency times two. I didn’t seem to have any problems with receiving WTOL 11, WMFD 12 or WTVG 13.
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