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post #3481 of 3983
I didn't get much last night but a brief garbled picture from WMFD. It was late last night when I got the message and didn't feel like rewiring my setup in order to get a good picture. My VHF reception is dwindling due to a tree that decided to pluck several elements this year. Two are gone and three of them are up in the air on a 45 degree angle. The elements are held in place by plastic tabs that break under very little force. In my case, by an easily bendable branch that is almost as thick as a pencil. My neighbor's antenna has been on his house probably since the 80's when Radio Shack branded their antennas with the Archer name, and all the elements are still in place with the exception of one that has been sagging for the past five years. Those elements are probably held in place with aluminum clips. Stupid Rat Shack crap, glad I bought my antenna for 50% off when my local Rat Shack closed back in 2006 around this time.

Bismarck, WLFM hasn't been broadcasting a picture lately, which is probably why your TV isn't picking it up. It should still be receivable on your radio.
post #3482 of 3983
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Originally Posted by Andrew K View Post

One of my issues is that I’ve noticed FM interference on analog TV channels 7 and 9, since I live so close to some FM towers in Akron. I can hear the audio on analog TV. I purchased an FM trap from Radio Shack, but it doesn’t attenuate the FM band enough to get rid of this interference (only 6 dB). Last night when I was receiving Columbus and Pittsburgh, I didn’t get anything from WTRF 7 and barely a watchable picture on WTOV 9. I’m supposing that a lot of FM interference exists in high VHF due to the fact that it’s the FM frequency times two. I didn’t seem to have any problems with receiving WTOL 11, WMFD 12 or WTVG 13.
Are the Steubenville stations RF channels the same as their virtual channels?
post #3483 of 3983
Yes, WTRF is actually on channel 7, and WTOV is actually on channel 9. By the way, I was looking at some websites where people posted pictures of TV screenshots from their DXing, and someone from Louisiana received WLFM-LP last month and posted a screenshot of it. How bizarre is that?

Here's the link... http://forums.wtfda.org/showthread.php?8133-WLFM-LP-6-Cleveland-5-29-2013
post #3484 of 3983
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Are the Steubenville stations RF channels the same as their virtual channels?

Yes WTOV/9 from Steubenville is on RF-9 and Wheeling's WTRF/7 is on RF-7.
post #3485 of 3983
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

Bismarck, WLFM hasn't been broadcasting a picture lately, which is probably why your TV isn't picking it up. It should still be receivable on your radio.

Yes, still get it in the car but no picture or audio on Analog 6 TV.... I didn't think that would last. Quite a trip down to Lousiania... I barely got it (visual) out where I am (color but snowy picture).
post #3486 of 3983
I live in the black hole for receiving WLFM 87.7... near the Akron antenna farm. It seems like everywhere else, even farther away receives WLFM better... Sandusky, Youngstown, Canton. Either WZIP 88.1 or the other FM towers really cause too much interference.
post #3487 of 3983
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

My neighbor's antenna has been on his house probably since the 80's when Radio Shack branded their antennas with the Archer name, and all the elements are still in place with the exception of one that has been sagging for the past five years.
Ironic, he took the antenna down sometime this morning as I recall seeing it yesterday. I wish I would have caught him sooner as I wanted to cut off the UHF portion of the antenna and replace it with the one I use to receive the Youngstown stations with. Oh well, he probably let the antenna fall to the ground anyhow.
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Originally Posted by Andrew K View Post

I live in the black hole for receiving WLFM 87.7... near the Akron antenna farm. It seems like everywhere else, even farther away receives WLFM better... Sandusky, Youngstown, Canton. Either WZIP 88.1 or the other FM towers really cause too much interference.
I remember picking up WZIP loud and clear on TV 6 before WLFM signed on, so it's possible that WZIP is diminishing WLFM's reception in your area. I'm sure the high terrain in Richfield has something to do with it too. Lousiania? Wow! That's a long ways away for a low power broadcast!
post #3488 of 3983
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

Lousiania? Wow! That's a long ways away for a low power broadcast!

I've been looking at different websites where people have documented and taken pictures of distant TV stations they've received. With E-skip, meteor scatter, or F2 reception, it's amazing to see what's possible... people receiving stations from as far as Venezuela and Columbia!! It inspires me to create a setup that would be capable of this, but digital reception makes it more difficult than analog. I've setup my Insignia digital box with rotator next to my TV at my basement desk. That way I'm prepared when conditions are right. I'm using an AntennaCraft HBU55 for channels 7-69 and right now, all I have is an AntennaCraft FM6 for the FM band... I'm not sure if it performs well for channels 2-6, but that seems to be where all the E-skip occurs, which would explain why WLFM-LP was received in Louisiana.
post #3489 of 3983
Dad rescanned his set earlier to correct WQHS 61, this revealed a bit of a suprise.

Scanning this afternoon we are finding a new channel 56.1 (56 RF & Virtual) static screen with the 'dish' logo (white on black).... medium signal strength.

Only thing I see on this is posts on Trip's Rabbit Ears site from mid May this is owned by Echostar.

As this is technically out of band, or for mobile TV, what are we going to see on this or is this just advertising or merely a test?

Trip?
post #3490 of 3983
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

Dad rescanned his set earlier to correct WQHS 61, this revealed a bit of a suprise.

Scanning this afternoon we are finding a new channel 56.1 (56 RF & Virtual) static screen with the 'dish' logo (white on black).... medium signal strength.

Only thing I see on this is posts on Trip's Rabbit Ears site from mid May this is owned by Echostar.

As this is technically out of band, or for mobile TV, what are we going to see on this or is this just advertising or merely a test?

Trip?

I'm getting this here too near W150/Puritas, 56.1, no subchannels, no audio, I must be on the fringe as it comes and goes. I thought Channel 56 was in Detroit? But then don't know if that's just PSIP in Detroit now. The info button said there is no info available for this channel. Maybe WLFM's new digital channel (LOL), remember they had the WD logo on analog 6 when they were testing it. Image below taken by cell phone, some of the trim of the TV is showing as well as the TV's lit Vizio logo.


Edited by dannykewl - 6/22/13 at 5:19pm
post #3491 of 3983
Unless you're a DISH subscriber, it likely won't matter to you, now or in the future...
post #3492 of 3983
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Originally Posted by dannykewl View Post

I'm getting this here too near W150/Puritas, 56.1, no subchannels, no audio, I must be on the fringe as it comes and goes. I thought Channel 56 was in Detroit? But then don't know if that's just PSIP in Detroit now. The info button said there is no info available for this channel. Maybe WLFM's new digital channel (LOL), remember they had the WD logo on analog 6 when they were testing it. Image below taken by cell phone, some of the trim of the TV is showing as well as the TV's lit Vizio logo.

Trip reported about this on his "Rabbit Ears" site. It is indeed for mobile and Cleveland is one of the markets with a "Dish 56".
post #3493 of 3983
This is what my antenna looks like after yesterday's severe weather.


I didn't realize how much the tree had grown. There are branches that grow downward and hook onto the elements when swaying in the wind.

So the plan is to take the current antenna down, severely trim the tree back and put up a new one. Any suggestions? I'm looking at the RCA ANT751R as my dad doesn't want another huge antenna on the roof. I am confident in the reviews left on Amazon (4.5/5 stars 940+ reviews). I just worry about reception issues with WJW and WOIO. I can pick them up just fine but with two pairs of VHF elements, I'm afraid that those channels will be more sensitive to interference, like when WKYC was on RF 2 (!!!).
post #3494 of 3983
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

This is what my antenna looks like after yesterday's severe weather.


I didn't realize how much the tree had grown. There are branches that grow downward and hook onto the elements when swaying in the wind.

So the plan is to take the current antenna down, severely trim the tree back and put up a new one. Any suggestions? I'm looking at the RCA ANT751R as my dad doesn't want another huge antenna on the roof. I am confident in the reviews left on Amazon (4.5/5 stars 940+ reviews). I just worry about reception issues with WJW and WOIO. I can pick them up just fine but with two pairs of VHF elements, I'm afraid that those channels will be more sensitive to interference, like when WKYC was on RF 2 (!!!).
There is a big difference between WJW & WOIO which are VHF High Band and the old WKYC ch 2 which was VHF Low band. To receive ch 2 you need an 8' element, while the high band requires much shorter elements (in the range of 2.5'). That is why many UHF only antennas can be used for chs 8 & 10.
post #3495 of 3983
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

There is a big difference between WJW & WOIO which are VHF High Band and the old WKYC ch 2 which was VHF Low band. To receive ch 2 you need an 8' element, while the high band requires much shorter elements (in the range of 2.5'). That is why many UHF only antennas can be used for chs 8 & 10.
I understand that, that's why I don't really care about the longer elements. But wouldn't less VHF elements mean weaker reception? (Less useable signal to grab.) I remember WKYC RF 2 would break up every time I flipped a light switch or the alarm on the dryer went off. I don't want 8 & 19 to do that with fewer elements.

I can pick up both 8 & 19 with my homemade coat hanger antenna inside my house. Plus the UHF antenna seen in the picture can also receive 8 and 19, and it is pointed towards Youngstown. Obviously I would want an antenna capable of receiving VHF in order to receive those stations reliably.
post #3496 of 3983
When WKYC was on ch 2 they were not using full power, nor were they at the normal tower height. WOIO is still not up to full power thanks to protecting CFPL. But longer VHF elements will not help your reception of WOIO or WJW.

The antenna makers should come out with a VHF high band/UHF combo antenna for the digital age. That 8' reflector at the back of older multiband TV antennas don't do much for the high band.
post #3497 of 3983
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Originally Posted by Michael P 2341 View Post

The antenna makers should come out with a VHF high band/UHF combo antenna for the digital age. That 8' reflector at the back of older multiband TV antennas don't do much for the high band.
Is this what you're talking about?


By the way, I'm planing on hacking off and saving the UHF portion of the current antenna along with the shortest pair of VHF elements next to it. I have already done this once with an old Archer/Radio Shack antenna that one of my neighbors gave me. I purposely modeled it after the Channel Master CM-2016. My uncle has been using it in his attic since 2010 and he doesn't have any problems with it.
post #3498 of 3983
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

Is this what you're talking about?


By the way, I'm planing on hacking off and saving the UHF portion of the current antenna along with the shortest pair of VHF elements next to it. I have already done this once with an old Archer/Radio Shack antenna that one of my neighbors gave me. I purposely modeled it after the Channel Master CM-2016. My uncle has been using it in his attic since 2010 and he doesn't have any problems with it.

That's the AntennaCraft HBU55. I have that on a rotator on my roof, and it works very well. I also have the HBU33, which is a high VHF/UHF antenna.
post #3499 of 3983
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

Is this what you're talking about?


By the way, I'm planing on hacking off and saving the UHF portion of the current antenna along with the shortest pair of VHF elements next to it. I have already done this once with an old Archer/Radio Shack antenna that one of my neighbors gave me. I purposely modeled it after the Channel Master CM-2016. My uncle has been using it in his attic since 2010 and he doesn't have any problems with it.

I have an old 120 mile Archer/RS in the attic I want to do this to also, though was told it would compromise the antenna design.. how did you terminate the center element(s) that runs along the boom? (the one that cris crosses)

Watch out the blue plastic insulators on the Antennacraft are cheap & will break.
post #3500 of 3983
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Originally Posted by ProjectSHO89 View Post

Unless you're a DISH subscriber, it likely won't matter to you, now or in the future...

No ads even?... a shame it will keep programming itself into my box & TV.
post #3501 of 3983
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

I have an old 120 mile Archer/RS in the attic I want to do this to also, though was told it would compromise the antenna design.. how did you terminate the center element(s) that runs along the boom? (the one that cris crosses)

Watch out the blue plastic insulators on the Antennacraft are cheap & will break.
All I did was cut the leads with wire cutters after the first pair of VHF elements. They need to be cut as close to the supporting rivet as possible to avoid signal loss. Then I took a hacksaw and sawed off the rest of the antenna right before the second pair of elements. In between the first pair of elements and where the second pair of elements were, I drilled a pair of holes for the u-bolt. A u-bolt clamp assembly (thing that goes around the neck of the antenna) makes a good template for straight, perfectly spaced holes. Don't forget to transfer the end cap from the discarded section. Depending on the weight of the antenna, you might need to utilize a portion of the support bar in order to keep it in a straightforward position.

Is your antenna rated 120 miles for UHF analog? If so, then it's slightly longer then the one that I have. I think the model number of that antenna is VU-210. See this link, jump to page 156.
post #3502 of 3983
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

Dad rescanned his set earlier to correct WQHS 61, this revealed a bit of a suprise.

Scanning this afternoon we are finding a new channel 56.1 (56 RF & Virtual) static screen with the 'dish' logo (white on black).... medium signal strength.

Only thing I see on this is posts on Trip's Rabbit Ears site from mid May this is owned by Echostar.

As this is technically out of band, or for mobile TV, what are we going to see on this or is this just advertising or merely a test?

Trip?

Sorry it took so long to get back to you on this.

I don't know anything beyond what I posted on the RabbitEars Blog. It probably has Mobile DTV in it, as the one in Durham NC does, but who knows what long term plans Dish might have, if any.

- Trip
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post #3504 of 3983
Sale is still pending, but the chances look good. This will make my parents happy as Antenna TV is operated by Tribune and we won't lose it here in Cleveland after the sale. Hopefully Tribune will put some effort in getting WJW back on RF 31.

Talking about WJW, I noticed this afternoon that their label said "WJW-TV" on both 8-1 and 8-2. Then just before 3 PM, the labels changed back to the longtime "WJWDT-1" and "WJWDT-2". Wonder if they're tinkering around with something?
post #3505 of 3983
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

Hopefully Tribune will put some effort in getting WJW back on RF 31.

If the FCC won't act on it, there's not much anyone at WJW can do, whoever owns it.

- Trip
post #3506 of 3983
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

If the FCC won't act on it, there's not much anyone at WJW can do, whoever owns it.

- Trip
Well, yeah. And the fact that it takes years for the FCC to approve anything. I'm just saying that WJW isn't pushing the FCC to review their RF 31 application in a timely matter. IMO, something like this should take about a few months, not over 2 years. The RF 31 application appears to be still pending on the FCC's TV query.
post #3507 of 3983
Happy 4th of July!

Does anyone remember when the newscasts on WUAB were branded as 43 Action News?

I think I remember seeing the short-lived 43 Action News logo on the marquee banners at the then Gund Area sometime in the fall of 2002. Never have I ever saw the 43 Action News branding used on the TV as a promo. (Didn't watch their news back then). I use to watch The Simpsons during that time frame and all I remember is seeing the Action News logo with no channel number before it.
Edited by snowdog 88 - 7/4/13 at 9:49am
post #3508 of 3983
I recall a time, in the beginning of the shared news staff between 19 & 43, when the reporter's microphones had a 19 on one side and a 43 on the other side. They had to hold it so only one channel number would show and then cut a second piece for the later newscast with their mics turned the other way. At first they did really well showing the proper channel number but after awhile they started getting sloppy and both numbers would be shown.

In the end 19 won out at the "brand name" for both channels, I guess that was because they had the CBS affiliation. It's a shame really, 43 was the original news organization that 19 had to use when they switched to CBS. 19 never had a news dept. under FOX.
post #3509 of 3983
They could have gone back to 31 if they applied for it right after the transition instead of waiting a couple of years to apply for it.

Now, with the upper UHF channels likely to be auctioned off, they're probably stuck on 8 forever, since 31 will probably be occupied by some other station after the channel repacking.
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Well, yeah. And the fact that it takes years for the FCC to approve anything. I'm just saying that WJW isn't pushing the FCC to review their RF 31 application in a timely matter. IMO, something like this should take about a few months, not over 2 years. The RF 31 application appears to be still pending on the FCC's TV query.
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