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post #3661 of 3985
My tv gets confused sometimes and so do I. Had some tropo on 40.1 religious channel for a while.
JJK
post #3662 of 3985
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post


Try rescanning your TV. I have a feeling that your TV got confused while receiving a weak signal.

 

It is my Sony DHG DVR that must be 'confused'.   I will see what happens when at some point in the future when I do a rescan.    Funny thing though.  They are not in the DVR's memory or its channel lineup from any previous channel scan.  

 

All I did was manually punch-in 8.3 (and then 8.4) upon periodical checking of sub channels. 

 

I am still looking for 61.2 to ‘light up’.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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post #3663 of 3985
61.1 was off for a while here yesterday, but is back now. No 61.2 (Sony's getTV English language movie subchannel) yet.
post #3664 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Inundated View Post

61.1 was off for a while here yesterday, but is back now. No 61.2 (Sony's getTV English language movie subchannel) yet.
GetTV's website says it's coming October 2013. Don't know if 61.2 will be activated prior to the launch.
post #3665 of 3985
Get TV's Website just shows coming next month.
post #3666 of 3985
Yesterday I had 9.1, 11.1, 13.1, 20.1, 21.1, 40.1, 50.1, 56.1, 62.1 for awhile then they all went away to the great tropo god of the sky.
JJK
post #3667 of 3985
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Originally Posted by JJkizak View Post

Yesterday I had 9.1, 11.1, 13.1, 20.1, 21.1, 40.1, 50.1, 56.1, 62.1 for awhile then they all went away to the great tropo god of the sky.
JJK

What time? I've been watching the Tropo maps, yet not able to snag anything during the overnight hours.
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

HSN coming soon to Ion stations on .6? How many sub-channels are they going to squeeze in? I noticed that Qubo looks like crap ever since they added QVC. They should think about reducing the bandwidth on Shop TV or get rid of it completely.

Likely will not happen, advertising that is paying the bills. You would think they could get the aspect right though. I ended up blocking these shopping channels (still programmed, just skipped). Believe there is a channel in Atlanta & one in SF that has way more subs.

If HSN comes to 23 where does that leave 65/32?
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Originally Posted by mgsports View Post

Get TV's Website just shows coming next month.

No target date? Would think the sub would be lit up with a static screen by now.
post #3668 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Bismarck440 View Post

Believe there is a channel in Atlanta & one in SF that has way more subs.

It’s WANN-CD in Atlanta that went a bit crazy with the subchannels. There’s 10 TV channels and 10 radio channels. I remember viewing this on my portable TV when I was waiting in the Atlanta airport.
post #3669 of 3985
On 9/25 W35AX did an amendment to their digital application and looks like they changed their contour
post #3670 of 3985
Wow, what a lengthy waver! I still think they should wait for WRAP to sign on a digital signal and piggyback on one of their sub-channels. They would have better coverage that way.
post #3671 of 3985
I wonder if any tower work would have to be done for the switch to channel 16 for W35AX or could that already be done if they get a construction permit soon or if they get it this winter would we not see the channel digital until spring or summer or after the repack its a shame 29 has the same coverage area as it's analog signal i wonder if they will sell that in auction and maybe move it to vhf or just off the air completely depending on the repack WRAP may end up on vhf or not at all
post #3672 of 3985
For a digital broadcast on RF 35, all they would have to do is re-pipe the transmission lines to the digital transmitter. A broadcast on RF 16 would probably require a new antenna.

If Media-Com can get RF 16 authorized at full power and coverage is good in the Akron area, maybe they will sign off WAOH.
post #3673 of 3985
does anyone know what kind of bitrate sd and hd will be with h.264 in atsc 2.0, i've read its at least half the bitrate or more of mpeg-2, do you think we'll see subchannels switched over first maybe some in hd or does anyone think all channels will just switch over with the repack
post #3674 of 3985
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Originally Posted by jxg0754 View Post

does anyone know what kind of bitrate sd and hd will be with h.264 in atsc 2.0, i've read its at least half the bitrate or more of mpeg-2, do you think we'll see subchannels switched over first maybe some in hd or does anyone think all channels will just switch over with the repack

ATSC 2.0 doesn't change from MPEG2 8VSB. All you get in ATSC 2.0 is some added interactivity that's supposed to work with the new smart tv's. It may also have some type of non-real time media. ATSC 3.0 will be a total redo and will obsolete the current standard, probably a form of OFDM as opposed to 8VSB. Look for the return of STB converters and dual tuner TV's. The modulation scheme is currently under development so there won't be any bitrate info until they "invent" it. ATSC 3.0 is also supposed to be the bridge to 4K. Congress has set an aggressive timetable for the spectrum auction and repack that will be difficult or impossible to meet. I wouldn't be surprised to see ATSC 3.0 ready before the repack.
post #3675 of 3985
h.264 is a part of atsc 2.0 and so is mpeg-2, i was just curious of the bitrates of hd and sd, and i guess i was mistaken about the half the bitrate, h.264 is twice as efficient as mpeg-2, so i think i answered my own question or gave myself a more reasonable idea, i just wonder if we will see just subchannels converted over first with more channels in addition to the subchannel being converted to h.264 sd or to just hd, maybe a whole station will just switch over to h.264, or one mpeg-2 sd stream with the rest h.264 hd and or sd, would all this happen before or after the repack, when the standard is finalized maybe this fall and adapters and converter boxes start come out , i do believe we will see diginets that do not have alot of coverage will be picked up by stations and even new ones will start up, when atsc 3.0 comes to market hevc with be twice as efficient as h.264, i guess i answered all my own questions its all very exciting to me
post #3676 of 3985
At my previous job, before the one I'm furloughed from this morning, we had H.264 SD and HD on our satellite feeds. The HD feeds looked decent at 5 Mbps, though most of that was relatively low motion (highest motion stuff was the occasional outdoor show I didn't watch or music videos). The SD feeds didn't look quite so good at around 1.1 Mbps, but still weren't awful. I also blame the encoders to some extent, as they were not the greatest even when they were new several years ago.

- Trip
post #3677 of 3985
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Originally Posted by jxg0754 View Post

h.264 is a part of atsc 2.0 and so is mpeg-2, i was just curious of the bitrates of hd and sd, and i guess i was mistaken about the half the bitrate, h.264 is twice as efficient as mpeg-2, so i think i answered my own question or gave myself a more reasonable idea, i just wonder if we will see just subchannels converted over first with more channels in addition to the subchannel being converted to h.264 sd or to just hd, maybe a whole station will just switch over to h.264, or one mpeg-2 sd stream with the rest h.264 hd and or sd, would all this happen before or after the repack, when the standard is finalized maybe this fall and adapters and converter boxes start come out , i do believe we will see diginets that do not have alot of coverage will be picked up by stations and even new ones will start up, when atsc 3.0 comes to market hevc with be twice as efficient as h.264, i guess i answered all my own questions its all very exciting to me

You're thinking of the h.264 component in terms of ATSC 1.0's "dash" channels. The AVC component will be used primarily to deliver video clips you can search on your compatible smart tv. This article gives a non-thechnical overview of ATSC 2.0 and touches on ATSC 3.0

http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/65303/atsc-20-aims-to-power-tv-to-next-level
post #3678 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

At my previous job, before the one I'm furloughed from this morning, we had H.264 SD and HD on our satellite feeds. The HD feeds looked decent at 5 Mbps, though most of that was relatively low motion (highest motion stuff was the occasional outdoor show I didn't watch or music videos). The SD feeds didn't look quite so good at around 1.1 Mbps, but still weren't awful. I also blame the encoders to some extent, as they were not the greatest even when they were new several years ago.

- Trip

Sorry to see that you are the victim of this disagreement. Hopefully you will be back to work real soon and you get the retroactive pay.
post #3679 of 3985
h.264 is a part of atsc 2.0 this link if it works talks about it
http://atsc.org/newsletter/2013/06/atsc-2-0-update-open-mediahub-concept/
it talks about h.264 within the broadcast improving compression and the amount of content that can be carried
post #3680 of 3985
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Originally Posted by jxg0754 View Post

h.264 is a part of atsc 2.0 this link if it works talks about it
http://atsc.org/newsletter/2013/06/atsc-2-0-update-open-mediahub-concept/
it talks about h.264 within the broadcast improving compression and the amount of content that can be carried

From this link:

New Opportunities with ATSC 2.0

The ATSC 2.0 standard fully comprehends the availability of Internet connectivity in the future viewing environment. Whether via connected TVs or hand-held devices connected to the home WiFi system, the availability of Internet access is a key feature of many of the services defined by the standard. Fundamentally, this is a departure from past attempts to extend broadcast television standards since it does not assume a single delivery path for content. Thus, a hybrid delivery system is described with the best features of broadcast combined with the point-to-point nature of the Internet in whatever path it is made available.


The idea behind ATSC 2.0 is to make TV more of an interactive internet experience, not change the compression scheme of the existing channels you're watching now. h.264 in ATSC 2.0 will be used to compress video clips that appear as links either in the TV channel you are watching or in a separate menu on your TV. h.264 will be used to send out video clips to all and each viewer can chose which of those clips to store in the smart TV. It will work exactly like going to your favorite TV station's web site to watch a news clip from last night's 11PM news cast. As I understand, you'll be able to pick what you want stored. h.264 will be used to encode those clips.
post #3681 of 3985
here are two links about h.264 with atsc 2.0 while it is said that it is unlikely to be used here in the usa that was in 2008
this one is from the nab http://www.nab.org/xert/scitech/pdfs/tv092208.pdf
here is a discussion about it from avs http://www.avsforum.com/t/1068839/atsc-adopts-standard-for-advanced-video-coding
both links state that it is very important for countries that have not adopted digital tv as far as avc also know as h.264
the support for it exists in the standard i do believe it will be used
post #3682 of 3985
Hello everybody:
Things have changed TV wise for us around here. as we've switched over to Directv..Missing the digital subchannels here, but it is what it is for now..

I have a question about the Terk Indoor HDTVa Antenna. Have used it for several years..The VHF "Rabbit Ears" portion has broken off, but it's not like it would do much in Stark County anyway..I noticed on the UHF portion that the number of channels I receive has gone down from 15-25 to about 4 or so (WNEO-45+ digital subchannels usually)..Even 23, which was pretty consistent here, is practically non-existent now. Checked all the connections, they seem fine, and the antenna is plugged in and turned on. The only thing I can think of that might be causing this is the UHF connection into the base..Could that wear out after so long and cause the antenna to not perform as well?
post #3683 of 3985
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Originally Posted by Tim Lones View Post

Hello everybody:
Things have changed TV wise for us around here. as we've switched over to Directv..Missing the digital subchannels here, but it is what it is for now..

I have a question about the Terk Indoor HDTVa Antenna. Have used it for several years..The VHF "Rabbit Ears" portion has broken off, but it's not like it would do much in Stark County anyway..I noticed on the UHF portion that the number of channels I receive has gone down from 15-25 to about 4 or so (WNEO-45+ digital subchannels usually)..Even 23, which was pretty consistent here, is practically non-existent now. Checked all the connections, they seem fine, and the antenna is plugged in and turned on. The only thing I can think of that might be causing this is the UHF connection into the base..Could that wear out after so long and cause the antenna to not perform as well?

You can get digital subchannels with Directv. Order the AM21 tuner and attach your antenna to that. It will integrate the OTA subchannels into your Directv guide, and allow you to DVR them.
post #3684 of 3985
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Tim Lones View Post

Hello everybody:
Things have changed TV wise for us around here. as we've switched over to Directv..Missing the digital subchannels here, but it is what it is for now..

I have a question about the Terk Indoor HDTVa Antenna. Have used it for several years..The VHF "Rabbit Ears" portion has broken off, but it's not like it would do much in Stark County anyway..I noticed on the UHF portion that the number of channels I receive has gone down from 15-25 to about 4 or so (WNEO-45+ digital subchannels usually)..Even 23, which was pretty consistent here, is practically non-existent now. Checked all the connections, they seem fine, and the antenna is plugged in and turned on. The only thing I can think of that might be causing this is the UHF connection into the base..Could that wear out after so long and cause the antenna to not perform as well?

Welcome back, wondered what happened to you! Re your Terk antenna, I'm wondering if the amplifier section has weakened or died? I know from my experience with using indoor antennas in my upstairs bedroom that practically nothing can be received without adequate amplification. (I've never bothered to do an antenna lead to the bedroom as I usually watch Roku there.) A preamplifier is also a must on outdoor antennas in certain areas around here if you want to receive anything other than the strongest or closest stations. I agree with ejb1980's comment on using the AM21 tuner....I've had one for a long time and it does a good job with adding OTA channels that are received via antenna. One thing I don't like about it is it's lack of a scanning function.
Edited by rluyster - 10/5/13 at 4:02pm
post #3685 of 3985
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Originally Posted by rluyster View Post

Welcome back, wondered what happened to you! Re your Terk antenna, I'm wondering if the amplifier section has weakened or died? I know from my experience with using indoor antennas in my upstairs bedroom that practically nothing can be received without adequate amplification. (I've never bothered to do an antenna lead to the bedroom as I usually watch Roku there.) A preamplifier is also a must on outdoor antennas in certain areas around here if you want to receive anything other than the strongest or closest stations. I agree with ejb1980's comment on using the AM21 tuner....I've had one for a long time and it does a good job with adding OTA channels that are received via antenna. One thing I don't like about it is it's lack of a scanning function.

I have DirecTV and I use the AM-21 tuner. You should be aware that you will be missing 8.2 (Antenna TV), 25.9 (the audio only subchannel of WVIZ), 55.3 (This TV), as well as all LPTV. They are not in Tribune's database, and they won't be put there anytime soon. There is a workaround so you can get 8.2 which involves using a zip code from Winston, North Carolina and plugging it in as a secondary local market. Their Fox 8 is almost identical to our Fox 8 (although the program guide will be off at times).

The AM-21 tuner runs about 50 bucks at SolidSignal and is purchased online. It is well worth the investment.
post #3686 of 3985
WGHP 8-2 (which is local to me) interrupts the Antenna TV schedule for news every day. WQAD has Antenna TV on 8-2 and it's in the database. From what I can tell, WQAD (zip 61265) does not mess with the Antenna TV schedule.
post #3687 of 3985
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Originally Posted by ejb1980 View Post

WGHP 8-2 (which is local to me) interrupts the Antenna TV schedule for news every day. WQAD has Antenna TV on 8-2 and it's in the database. From what I can tell, WQAD (zip 61265) does not mess with the Antenna TV schedule.
WJW 8.2 interrupts the Antenna TV network for an hour of Big Chuck and Lil' John every Sunday at 8 PM and for some church broadcast Sunday mornings. Other than that, WJW carries 98% of Antenna TV weekly. I remember seeing a commercial on 8.1 this past summer about something (football game?) that was going to be on 8.2.

WOIO 19.2 (to my knowledge) carries the full Me-TV schedule, unless there's a show that airs on another station, then something else airs in it's place. Never have I seen a full length infomercial on 19.2. Despite the technical issues 19.2 has, such as the random freezing, we should be thankful that we get to see 100% of Me-TV's schedule. I read comments on Me-TV's Facebook page all the time from viewers complaining about infomercials, football games or repeats of the news on their local stations.
post #3688 of 3985
Bringing up the "When Did WBNX Move To Parma" topic again...

I was watching a tape of a program that I recorded weekdays off of WBNX back in 1998, and the reception of 55 was very good. The reception was clear and stable and the image had very little ghosting. IIRC, I was also using a pair of rabbit ears to receive 55, so maybe it was 1998 when WBNX moved to Parma. There was no closed captioning on the show, probably because it was syndicated, but I do remember seeing captions during WB programming. I still recall my TV stating that the audio for 55 was mono during that time. Maybe stereo came later?
post #3689 of 3985
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Originally Posted by dmking12370 View Post

I have DirecTV and I use the AM-21 tuner. You should be aware that you will be missing 8.2 (Antenna TV), 25.9 (the audio only subchannel of WVIZ), 55.3 (This TV), as well as all LPTV.

This is only true for DVRs, not HMCs. HMCs when paired with a AM21 will actually scan for channels. They likely won't have guide data, but you'll be able to watch them and set manual recordings.
post #3690 of 3985
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

WJW 8.2 interrupts the Antenna TV network for an hour of Big Chuck and Lil' John every Sunday at 8 PM ..

Not sure the rhyme or reason on this, I had a chance to meet them working a benefit at the Lake County Fair Grounds about 10 years back, I set up their sound & lighting for them, nice guys & they put on a neat magic show.

Didn't they come out of retirement?

No E&I? or is that covered by Antenna?
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Originally Posted by snowdog 88 View Post

WOIO 19.2 (to my knowledge) carries the full Me-TV schedule, unless there's a show that airs on another station, then something else airs in it's place. Never have I seen a full length infomercial on 19.2. Despite the technical issues 19.2 has, such as the random freezing, we should be thankful that we get to see 100% of Me-TV's schedule. I read comments on Me-TV's Facebook page all the time from viewers complaining about infomercials, football games or repeats of the news on their local stations.

Since the tropo been up over the last week, no WOIO here in the AM hours about 5:30-10am for several days.

Interference from CFPL I assume.
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