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post #61 of 436
9/17/09 at 12:30pm
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Of course, Hakan is the master. If he says it won't work, then it won't work. In fact, being that my DV-58AV uses the MT1389EXE like the 610, I was almost sure I'd be able to install 610 firmware on it in the manner I described, but being that blind people wouldn't be good with soldering irons, I double checked with him first. It's a good thing I double checked with him first, or I would have had to pay up to $200 for out-of-warranty repairs! Thanks, Hakan, for stopping me from player destruction!
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post #62 of 436
9/17/09 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by ValjeanPhantom View Post

Of course, Hakan is the master. If he says it won't work, then it won't work. In fact, being that my DV-58AV uses the MT1389EXE like the 610, I was almost sure I'd be able to install 610 firmware on it in the manner I described, but being that blind people wouldn't be good with soldering irons, I double checked with him first. It's a good thing I double checked with him first, or I would have had to pay up to $200 for out-of-warranty repairs! Thanks, Hakan, for stopping me from player destruction!

Don't worry if your player ever died from firmwares, you don't need to pay $200, just ship it with USPS flatrate boxes to me and I fix it for you.

BTW, I don't know if you can put 610 to 420, I just mentioned they are different. We need Hakan confirmation on this one.
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post #63 of 436
9/18/09 at 12:04pm
If you dont have a cable and a uncut firmware for your player you should never ever try a firmware for another player!
Most of the times you loose some functions and if you unlucky you can only get them back via a cable upgrade!

The firmware for DV-420V loads OK on to a DV-400 but it looses the USB ability!
I havent tested what else that might not work on it!
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post #64 of 436
9/18/09 at 3:42pm
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Originally Posted by Hkan View Post

If you dont have a cable and a uncut firmware for your player you should never ever try a firmware for another player!
Most of the times you loose some functions and if you unlucky you can only get them back via a cable upgrade!

The firmware for DV-420V loads OK on to a DV-400 but it looses the USB ability!
I havent tested what else that might not work on it!

Thanks man, but the question is, can we put the 610 firmware into 420 at all? I mean theoretically is it possible? If so, I can try that and let others know if it did work since I have the uncut version and the cable (thanks to you).
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post #65 of 436
9/18/09 at 11:23pm
The firmware for DV-610AV would probebly load OK on to a DV-420V. It load OK on to a DV-400/410 so I recon it would do that OK!
But as I dont have the DV-420V I cant test it.
But as you do have the UnCut firmware you could try it.
But as always your doing this things on your own sole risk!
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post #66 of 436
9/19/09 at 9:27am
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Originally Posted by ValjeanPhantom View Post

Don't try this unless Hakan sent you the cables and you know how to bring the player back to life. This may not work. The firmware for the DV-400, 410, 600, 610, 48, and 49 are all compatible with all the players I just mentioned, plus or minus a few features. If you know how to bring your player back to life, it would be fun just for the heck of it to try installing YJC8919A StM V2.0 for the DV-610AV, keeping the CD-to-USB capability, while adding DVD-A/SACD compatibility (via HDMI at least). If all the 420's analog and digital audio outputs, as well as the rest of the player, work correctly, then Hakan doesn't really need to make an StM for the 420. If you try this, remember to change YJC8919A to YKB8919A. Good luck. Have fun. And most important, be careful. Don't try it if you don't know CPR for DVD players--LOL!

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Originally Posted by Hkan View Post

The firmware for DV-610AV would probebly load OK on to a DV-420V. It load OK on to a DV-400/410 so I recon it would do that OK!
But as I dont have the DV-420V I cant test it.
But as you do have the UnCut firmware you could try it.
But as always your doing this things on your own sole risk!

Ok I did put the 610 Hakan's firmware (v2.0 cp1251) on my DV420 and played with it for over 2 hours.

I burned a CDRW with PIONEER label (all in capital) and put the YJC8919A.BIN into the root folder and rename it to YKB8919A.BIN (all in capital).

It did upgrade successfully and restarted. Nice logo. I tried the multiregion sequence and it did work. The player turned itself off after a few second of holding ENTER key on remote.

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Playing DivX, works, however, with problems. My 420 firmware did play the Antichrist movie (Video: XVID 640x272 25.00fps 1364Kbps, Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch 448Kbps) but when ever I tried to play this file via USB, 610 firmware dies and my TV shows no supported signal. Even if you stop the movie and press the menu it won't come alive, even if you turn off the player and turn it on again, nothing. I just pressed the next button and fortunately I had other DivX files on disk, and with one of them, I got the picture again and player back to life.

So I guess the 610 is not 100% compatible with 420, or, it does not play all DivX and Xvid files. However I do not understand why the HDMI output dies and do not comeback if you turn the player off.

Also I cannot fast forward/backward more than 1x. In 420 firmware you can repress the button again for 2x->3x->1x.

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In Mp3 I could not turn Random playback from menu. I don't know what I am missing in this area but my remote has no V-Surround button.

SACD is in the menus and just for the sake of science I downloaded and burned an image of Ocean Surf (2005). It does play the disk but it cannot output 5.1 channel from coaxial digital out. I cannot confirm if it does 5.1 from HDMI since my TV does not show audio signal information.

Digital Coaxial Audio Out works in both MP3 and DivX movies and also outputs 5.1 channel even in Antichrist Xvid movie without picture so I don't understand why it does not the same for SACD.

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I restored the YKB9326C since it was better and played all the DivX files.
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post #67 of 436
9/19/09 at 10:22am
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Thanks for your time. I'm not into DivX, so if I was to get a 420 and put 610 firmware on it, would it be OK for DVDs and CDs? Even if it was, it sounds like the player becomes finicky.
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post #68 of 436
9/19/09 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by ValjeanPhantom View Post

Thanks for your time. I'm not into DivX, so if I was to get a 420 and put 610 firmware on it, would it be OK for DVDs and CDs? Even if it was, it sounds like the player becomes finicky.

If you need DVD Audio and SACD why not getting a player that supports them from start?

Yes it was finicky but because DivX routines on 420 is better/newer than 610 (it played the XviD movie I mentioned), but again, someone with the actual 610 player should confirm it. So far I could play all DivX files minus x264 with 420, so for DivX it really is a good player.

But I guess the next generation of players should play x264, DivX and other media over the WiFi or Ethernet because that's the real direction we all want to go.
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post #69 of 436
9/20/09 at 8:26am
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Hakan finally released the enhanced firmware! You can see what features it has by looking at the ReadMe file. I have a feeling that this will be the last new SD player from Pioneer, and the last new player Hakan will be able to work with. So if you like Pioneer SD players, Hakan's firmware, or both, you better get moving and grab one of these babies! Of course, CES is four months away. So we'll see if this will truely be Pioneer's last SD player or not.
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post #70 of 436
9/20/09 at 8:56am
When I askt if DV-610AV will be replaced I got some sort of a cryptic reply:
The DV-610AV will not be replaced and live on for another year and if there will be a replcment for it, it will not arrive before spring 2010!
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post #71 of 436
9/20/09 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by Hkan View Post

When I askt if DV-610AV will be replaced I got some sort of a cryptic reply:
The DV-610AV will not be replaced and live on for another year and if there will be a replcment for it, it will not arrive before spring 2010!

If you think about it, back in 2008, all the MediaTek DivX players had CD-to-USB capability, except the Pioneer DV-410V. I think Pioneer's idea was simply to add it to their budget SD players. In this case, it makes sence to keep making the DV-610AV for another year so that all the players match. By the way, all Pioneer's current model SD players are made in Thailand. Therefore, I think the Pioneer of Thailand SD player page is a complete and up-to-date version of their SD lineup. Now some of the players on that page might not be sold in certain countries, such as the DV-LX50 in Europe and the DV-320K in the US, but the DV-610AV is still available in the US as the DV-49AV, and the DV-LX50 is still available in the US as the DV-58AV. I'm hoping that Pioneer's joint venture with Sharp in the optical disc business is only going to affect computer disc drives, and not the actual set-top DVD and Blu-ray players. I'm sure we'll be able to tell by reading the discriptions of the future players when we read the CES news in four months. Four months? You mean 2009 is almost over already? I can't believe it!
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post #72 of 436
9/21/09 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by jam99 View Post

#2. It can't play the X264 HD codec which would be very sweet.

In search of x264 affordable players, I came across this unit: "Western Digital WD TV HD Media Player". It is a year old but seems to have nice features. It has HDMI out, 2 USB input, one optical output and RCA video and audio outs.
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post #73 of 436
9/21/09 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by ValjeanPhantom View Post

Hakan finally released the enhanced firmware!

I have installed this on my DV-420V.

Installed with no issues. Note it will reset your configuration to defaults, so write them down if you have a complicated video config.

The new logo looks nice, and everything seems to work perfect. I was upgrading while my wife was watching and when the unit first rebooted and showed the new logo she said "Wow".

The new browser is much better, I can see more of the filenames. Its still not perfect, it still seems to cut the file names off early, but it is better than the original browser. One feature I would like to see in the browser is sorted filenames. I don't know if this is possible though.

I have enabled BNR (It seems to help .avi files with low bitrate).

I am quite happy with this! Thanks Hakan!
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post #74 of 436
9/21/09 at 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by bbell_ View Post

The new browser is much better, I can see more of the filenames. Its still not perfect, it still seems to cut the file names off early, but it is better than the original browser. One feature I would like to see in the browser is sorted filenames. I don't know if this is possible though.

Version 1.1 shows 42 characters for the filenames in USB mode too. I think it will be released very soon. It also has the ability to show European characters in file browser.

Thanks to Hakan, we all have a better feeling about this device Pioneer should grant Hakan or at least gave him the source of the firmware so he can make it super better.
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post #75 of 436
9/22/09 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by Lost! View Post

Pioneer should grant Hakan or at least gave him the source of the firmware so he can make it super better.

That would be nice, however I don't know if they would like the Multiregion or UOP changes

I can't wait until Hakan's 1.1 version!

Is there a forum somewhere specific to these firmwares (IE discussion about the development of 1.1 for instance?) I looked at pioneerfaq.info but didn't see anything.
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post #76 of 436
9/22/09 at 4:49pm
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That would be nice, however I don't know if they would like the Multiregion or UOP changes

I can't wait until Hakan's 1.1 version!

Is there a forum somewhere specific to these firmwares (IE discussion about the development of 1.1 for instance?) I looked at pioneerfaq.info but didn't see anything.

I don't think they even care about Multiregional. It is a thing DVD companies and distributors force on factories, well, except Sony that owns blu-ray royalty!!

No there is not or I have no knowledge of it, I just pre-tested the 1.1 on my device for bug report and etc but Håkan said it will be the last 420 firmware for a while.
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post #77 of 436
9/22/09 at 4:54pm
Hi, I had some problems with upgrading my DV-420 with YKB9326C StM v1.0
1. My firmware name was YKF9326C, so upgrade didn't start until I rename the .BIN file to YKF9326C.BIN (take me 2h to realize this)
2. Now I have YKB9326C StM version (see with Options+Display Button)
3. Subtitles are fine, big, maybe they could be bigger, probably will play later with MTK tools
4. When playing form USB stick I have constant problems, first of all, subtitles won't start automatically(they are named correctly, and also with short name 8+3 format), second when I then start subtitles with button, blue line, which indicate start of reproduction, with play icon on top of the screen STUCK?!
Then I need to press pause button twice to remove this line, re-initiate blue line!

Before upgrade everything was fine except annoying small subtitle with which I get some dioptre 8-)
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post #78 of 436
9/22/09 at 7:00pm
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Originally Posted by dpinezic View Post

when I then start subtitles with button, blue line, which indicate start of reproduction, with play icon on top of the screen STUCK?!
Then I need to press pause button twice to remove this line, re-initiate blue line!

I can confirm about blue line stuck problem. When I searched through a movie to go to exact time, sometimes it won't disappear and I need to press pause then play again. It is not a big deal though.
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post #79 of 436
9/23/09 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by Lost! View Post

I can confirm about blue line stuck problem. When I searched through a movie to go to exact time, sometimes it won't disappear and I need to press pause then play again. It is not a big deal though.

I can confirm this as well. I had it happen once, and tried pressing display a few times to make it disappear but that didn't work. So I just pressed stop and play and it was gone.
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post #80 of 436
9/25/09 at 6:30am
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Originally Posted by dpinezic View Post

Hi, I had some problems with upgrading my DV-420 with YKB9326C StM v1.0
1. My firmware name was YKF9326C, so upgrade didn't start until I rename the .BIN file to YKF9326C.BIN (take me 2h to realize this)
2. Now I have YKB9326C StM version (see with Options+Display Button)
3. Subtitles are fine, big, maybe they could be bigger, probably will play later with MTK tools
4. When playing form USB stick I have constant problems, first of all, subtitles won't start automatically(they are named correctly, and also with short name 8+3 format), second when I then start subtitles with button, blue line, which indicate start of reproduction, with play icon on top of the screen STUCK?!
Then I need to press pause button twice to remove this line, re-initiate blue line!

Before upgrade everything was fine except annoying small subtitle with which I get some dioptre 8-)


Hi mates, I'm Italian and I would like to apply the new firmware YKB9326C. At then moment I have got YKF9326A. Should I rename the NEW file with the name of my firmware + .BIN before upgrading? Do you think it is a good idea to pass to this version or it is better to wait till the next one? (Vers 1.1)
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post #81 of 436
9/25/09 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by gverdix View Post

Hi mates, I'm Italian and I would like to apply the new firmware YKB9326C. At then moment I have got YKF9326A. Should I rename the NEW file with the name of my firmware + .BIN before upgrading? Do you think it is a good idea to pass to this version or it is better to wait till the next one? (Vers 1.1)

If you want, you can install YKB9326C StM V1.0. Remember to change YKF9326C.BIN to YKB9326C.BIN. Once Version 1.1 is available, you can go from 1.0 to 1.1 without changing the name because your player has been trained to recognize YKB upgrade files.
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post #82 of 436
9/25/09 at 8:48am
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Originally Posted by Big C View Post

If you want, you can install YKB9326C StM V1.0. Remember to change YKF9326C.BIN to YKB9326C.BIN. Once Version 1.1 is available, you can go from 1.0 to 1.1 without changing the name because your player has been trained to recognize YKB upgrade files.

Sorry, just to be sure... you mean to rename YKB9326C.BIN to YKF9326A.BIN that is my current firmware?
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post #83 of 436
9/25/09 at 9:31am
@geverdix: Is there anyway you can save the firmware from your player?
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post #84 of 436
9/25/09 at 9:52am
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Originally Posted by gverdix View Post

Sorry, just to be sure... you mean to rename YKB9326C.BIN to YKF9326A.BIN that is my current firmware?

You only need to change YKF to YKB once. After that, you don't need to change it anymore.
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post #85 of 436
9/25/09 at 11:59am
V1.1 is finally here! If any of you changed YKB to YKF to install V1.0, you don't need to to change YKB to YKF when upgrading to V1.1 because your player has been trained to recognize YKB upgrade files.
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post #86 of 436
9/25/09 at 7:32pm
For those who have have seen both, do you think there is any appreciable IQ difference between the Pioneer DV-420V and an Oppo DV-980H?

Edit: Hooked up my TV with both and the Oppo does have slightly clearer sound and a slightly better picture. Took a lot of back and forth with the same DVD to figure this out, but its there. Guess the DV-420V is going back to Amazon.com Monday.
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post #87 of 436
9/26/09 at 9:25am
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Originally Posted by Jeffredo View Post

For those who have have seen both, do you think there is any appreciable IQ difference between the Pioneer DV-420V and an Oppo DV-980H?

Edit: Hooked up my TV with both and the Oppo does have slightly clearer sound and a slightly better picture. Took a lot of back and forth with the same DVD to figure this out, but its there. Guess the DV-420V is going back to Amazon.com Monday.

How do you return to Amazon? They have an unopen box policy right?
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post #88 of 436
9/26/09 at 10:12am
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How do you return to Amazon? They have an unopen box policy right?

Theoretically they have the right to assess a restocking fee if you just don't like the product, but I always just give a litany of perceived problems (minor or overly-exaggerated ones ) and they have always taken it back with no restocking fee (and even paid for the shipping). From my experience they have one of the easiest return policies out there.
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post #89 of 436
9/26/09 at 1:42pm
If downloading the pioneerfaq firmware, you only need to change YKB to YKF once. After that, you can install firmware under YKB. I think I said change YKF to YKB. That was wrong! You should change YKB to YKF.
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post #90 of 436
9/26/09 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by Jeffredo View Post

Theoretically they have the right to assess a restocking fee if you just don't like the product, but I always just give a litany of perceived problems (minor or overly-exaggerated ones ) and they have always taken it back with no restocking fee (and even paid for the shipping). From my experience they have one of the easiest return policies out there.

Thanks for the info. Maybe I try it again for smaller items later. I once tried to return a 40" Sony XBR LCD TV with no luck and gave up. I even had a good reason because of very bad White Clouds in dark scenes but they only did pass me to the manufacturer. Funny thing is the Amazon representative gave Samsung customer service phone number for my Sony LCD TV at first
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