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post #241 of 3784
9/19/09 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by ndskyz View Post

Gear ratios are KEY! with the F-40... It falls flat on it's face between gears. I would tell you what my settings were....but my PS3 is off to be fixed. But basically dont even worry about top speed. Change the final drive ratio to just about the lowest possible. Also you really need to pass as many cars in the first two turns as possible. I personally use ABS on all the cars. I dont think it's cheating. No more than traction control is/was used in F-1

ABS is a must, traction control can be used on some cars. in real life race cars have some form of traction control, even Moto GP bikes now have traction control. i wouldn't put it on max, but even setting it to 1 out of 10 can help calm a tail happy car.
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post #242 of 3784
9/19/09 at 2:19pm
I'm not aware of any major racing series that uses traction control since F1 banned it besides WRC.

Nothing in North America uses it including stockcars, various open wheel series, and our two major sportscar leagues. Major overseas series don't use it that I'm familiar with, such as DTM and V-8 Supercars. The F1 feeder series GP2 doesn't use it. Skip Barber's, Formula Ford's, etc., don't have traction control.

It only seems appropriate to use in a racing title with street cars, assuming the vehicle has it like most vehicles in do these days. But it's not something that exist in professional automobile racing for the most part, thankfully.
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post #243 of 3784
9/19/09 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by Leo_Ames View Post

I'm not aware of any major racing series that uses traction control since F1 banned it besides WRC.

It only seems appropriate to use in a racing title with street cars, assuming the vehicle has it like most vehicles in do these days. But it's not something that exist in professional automobile racing for the most part, thankfully.

Yeah F-1 doesnt use it anymore. But you really have to ask yourself why? It basically boils down to F-1 trying to control cost. Just like with everything else the cost of electronic engine management and traction control was sky rocketing. They did it simply as a cost cutting measure,and to try to level the playing field between the haves and have nots. Most other seires that dont use it, do it for cost reasons too. The big budget teams would have better systems in place and therefore have an advantage. I like the idea of a Single manf. of ECU's and traction control systems. I have a feeling that we'll see the return of traction control back in F-1. Just think TC could have saved Lewis Hamilton in the last F-1 race. Instead he went from 3rd to a DNF.
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post #244 of 3784
9/19/09 at 5:01pm
I have to admit, although I tried to run some races with TCS and ABS off I find it more frustrating than fun. So from now on they stay on. I think I'm close to nailing the F40 race. I've got the gears so short I'm in 3rd and 4th gear during the chicane section, but it was getting late last night. So glad I spent the time to set up my DFP, having a blast!
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post #245 of 3784
9/20/09 at 7:27pm
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Originally Posted by ndskyz View Post

Yeah F-1 doesnt use it anymore. But you really have to ask yourself why? It basically boils down to F-1 trying to control cost. Just like with everything else the cost of electronic engine management and traction control was sky rocketing. They did it simply as a cost cutting measure,and to try to level the playing field between the haves and have nots. Most other seires that dont use it, do it for cost reasons too. The big budget teams would have better systems in place and therefore have an advantage. I like the idea of a Single manf. of ECU's and traction control systems. I have a feeling that we'll see the return of traction control back in F-1. Just think TC could have saved Lewis Hamilton in the last F-1 race. Instead he went from 3rd to a DNF.

It was banned because it takes away from the skill a driver needs to compete and takes away from the control of the driver when a computer is doing what their right foot should be doing if they're good enough to be a professional driver. Wasn't banned from Formula One in a cost cutting move, nor is that why it isn't present in many other racing series. The disdain many fans and individuals involved in the sport hold towards traction control (Including myself) is why it's thankfully rare to see used.

Traction control was only allowed for several years because FIA didn't feel like it could adequately monitor and catch teams that were illegally utilizing it.

That's why a standardised ECU has been developed and introduced that has allowed FIA to ban traction control thanks to their supplying participants with a standard (And sealed, which prevents the teams from tampering with it) electronic engine control unit to all participants.

It can't be hidden in software and such now because the teams can't do anything with the system besides plug it in, so it's allowed FIA to place the ban and finally get rid of it and bring back some excitement to the sport when the drivers have to again use their right foot to maintain traction on the exit of a corner.
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post #246 of 3784
9/21/09 at 4:56am
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Originally Posted by Leo_Ames View Post

It was banned because it takes away from the skill a driver needs to compete and takes away from the control of the driver when a computer is doing what their right foot should be doing if they're good enough to be a professional driver. Wasn't banned from Formula One in a cost cutting move, nor is that why it isn't present in many other racing series. The disdain many fans and individuals involved in the sport hold towards traction control (Including myself) is why it's thankfully rare to see used.

Traction control was only allowed for several years because FIA didn't feel like it could adequately monitor and catch teams that were illegally utilizing it.

That's why a standardised ECU has been developed and introduced that has allowed FIA to ban traction control thanks to their supplying participants with a standard (And sealed, which prevents the teams from tampering with it) electronic engine control unit to all participants.

It can't be hidden in software and such now because the teams can't do anything with the system besides plug it in, so it's allowed FIA to place the ban and finally get rid of it and bring back some excitement to the sport when the drivers have to again use their right foot to maintain traction on the exit of a corner.

Takes away from driver skill....LOL yeah right. It's traction control NOT Car control. Anyhoo. You can argue all you like the but the fact that they have gone to a Standardized ECU was done for two reasons ONE to CUT COST..two to give FIA more control over the sport. You can argue all you like about the removal of traction control making the sport (of F-1) more exciting. To that I say bull Crap.. F-1 hasnt been exciting to watch in YEARS. 90% of the passing is done in the friggin pits...thats racing??? Come on. Traction control has very little to do with the problem of F-1 The biggest problem in F-1 and the reason it is so friggin dull to watch is the Aero regulations. If you want to see truly exciting racing turn on Moto Gp or WSB. NO AREO there and BOTH of these series have traction control, and it is by far the most exciting racing on the planet to date. Traction control is a driver/rider aid. But it does NOT make all the drivers/riders the same. At least not on the Professional level it doesnt. You still saw drivers crash with the aid of TC. Just like you do without TC (Lewis Hamilton)
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post #247 of 3784
9/21/09 at 3:40pm
You're clueless about the sport. Go back and read news reports and read up about the history of traction control in Formula One and you'll see that I'm correct and that traction control is disliked because no one (Except you) likes seeing what a driver has traditionally had to do with their right foot being taken over by a computer, and that the introduction of a standardized FIA sourced ECU was done in large part to allow them to ban driver aids, including traction control.

Watching a driver fighting to get the best start possible off the grid without spinning the rears, or fighting to maintain traction in the wet, or getting the car a bit sideways as he starts to get the rears spinning on the exit of a corner, is far and away superior to a computer handling that for him so he never has to worry about wheelspin.

Next thing, you'll be on here making a mockery of the sport by demanding that Formula One impliment antilock brakes and fully automatic gear changes.

And I never stated that traction control was the primary problem with the sport, but it was a problem. I do agree that the primary problem with Formula One rest in aerodynamics, and that the introduction of wings to Grand Prix cars in 1968 was a tragedy that has done much harm to Formula One. But too many people have forgotten what a wingless F1 car (Or any open wheel car) looks like and would be turned off to see a proper racecar again without these aero appendages attached to it.

"Traction control is a driver/rider aid. But it does NOT make all the drivers/riders the same. At least not on the Professional level it doesnt."

Never claimed it did.
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post #248 of 3784
9/21/09 at 11:30pm
I neither know nor care which of you is right, but from where I sit, I don't see why you can't both be right. Sports organizations routinely spin money-making/money-saving changes as "necessary and fair" rule changes/adjustments. Happens all the time.

Take the controversial use of instant replay judgments in just about every major sport. Getting rid of it has been spun over and over again as a return to fairness, but many assume it's about making time for more sponsors. The list goes on. It's part of how sports are run by their respective governing bodies. Why no playoffs in college football? Is it because no one wants to lose the massive sponsorships for the various bowl games, or is it because they want to be "fair" to the teams by keeping the season a reasonable length and also give more teams a shot at a bowl game?

There. Now can we get back to senseless speculation about whether GT5 will release in 2009?
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post #249 of 3784
9/22/09 at 1:34am
F-1 is completey fooked because of the ****** politics that goes around and the huge pile of money that is put in there.

look at Renault. is that the best FIA could do? one of the shittiest events in the history of car racing and that is the penalty you get? lol

forget F-1, better stick with console racing. at least that is fair.
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post #250 of 3784
9/22/09 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by Leo_Ames View Post

You're clueless about the sport. Go back and read news reports and read up about the history of traction control in Formula One and you'll see that I'm correct and that traction control is disliked because no one (Except you) likes seeing what a driver has traditionally had to do with their right foot being taken over by a computer, and that the introduction of a standardized FIA sourced ECU was done in large part to allow them to ban driver aids, including traction control.

Watching a driver fighting to get the best start possible off the grid without spinning the rears, or fighting to maintain traction in the wet, or getting the car a bit sideways as he starts to get the rears spinning on the exit of a corner, is far and away superior to a computer handling that for him so he never has to worry about wheelspin.

Next thing, you'll be on here making a mockery of the sport by demanding that Formula One impliment antilock brakes and fully automatic gear changes.

And I never stated that traction control was the primary problem with the sport, but it was a problem. I do agree that the primary problem with Formula One rest in aerodynamics, and that the introduction of wings to Grand Prix cars in 1968 was a tragedy that has done much harm to Formula One. But too many people have forgotten what a wingless F1 car (Or any open wheel car) looks like and would be turned off to see a proper racecar again without these aero appendages attached to it.

"Traction control is a driver/rider aid. But it does NOT make all the drivers/riders the same. At least not on the Professional level it doesnt."

Never claimed it did.

Yawn..bored with you and the argument..Fact is with or without the driver aid..F-1 is still the dullest form of motor racing to watch (next to NASCAR)....thats the truth.
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post #251 of 3784
9/22/09 at 3:23pm
80's F1 is where its at. 800hp turbo engines and much more battles, not to mention spectacular crashes.

458 on GT5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYCsn...layer_embedded
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post #252 of 3784
9/22/09 at 3:35pm
is F1 even on TV here in the US in any significant way? I tried to get into NASCAR last year, UGH it was horrible... no offense to any fans of it, of course.

Anyway, I dig GT and I really didn't like Forza 2, but I like what MS is doing with Forza 3. It's time for an official date and hopefully it is soon.
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post #253 of 3784
9/22/09 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by ndskyz View Post

Yawn..bored with you and the argument..Fact is with or without the driver aid..F-1 is still the dullest form of motor racing to watch (next to NASCAR)....thats the truth.



I think drag racing sits far higher in that catagory of boredom than F1 or NASCAR. Drag racing is only exciting when something happens, like a crash or an engine blowing up. I find F1 exciting though and don't think it's boring by any means
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post #254 of 3784
9/22/09 at 5:48pm
Man, GT Planet is getting worked into a lather. If TGS doesn't produce the goods it will get ugly over there.

The 458 video is stunning. I love Ferrari's.
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post #255 of 3784
9/22/09 at 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by Goatse View Post

80's F1 is where its at. 800hp turbo engines and much more battles, not to mention spectacular crashes.

458 on GT5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYCsn...layer_embedded




Can't wait for this game. The modelling of the car is INSANE!!
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post #256 of 3784
9/22/09 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by Dashboard View Post



Can't wait for this game. The modelling of the car is INSANE!!

It's pre-rendered CG.
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post #257 of 3784
9/22/09 at 8:07pm
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Can't wait for this game. The modelling of the car is insane!!

+1
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post #258 of 3784
9/22/09 at 8:10pm
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I think drag racing sits far higher in that catagory of boredom than f1 or nascar. Drag racing is only exciting when something happens, like a crash or an engine blowing up. I find f1 exciting though and don't think it's boring by any means

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post #259 of 3784
9/22/09 at 10:46pm
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Originally Posted by ShePearl View Post

It's pre-rendered CG.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that, no, it's not pre-rendered CG. Most of that just looks like fancy camera work, but graphically it looks about on par with GT5P.

And if nothing else, that video shows that the GT series has two things that no other series has: pure sexiness and class.
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post #260 of 3784
9/22/09 at 10:50pm
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Originally Posted by number1laing View Post

is F1 even on TV here in the US in any significant way? I tried to get into NASCAR last year, UGH it was horrible... no offense to any fans of it, of course.

Formula One is aired on the FOX owned Speed Channel (What was formerly Speedvision), with select events like Monaco on FOX itself. Practice session 2 and qualifying for each event are also aired on Speed.

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Yawn..bored with you and the argument..Fact is with or without the driver aid..

Cool..
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post #261 of 3784
9/22/09 at 11:30pm
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Originally Posted by confidenceman View Post

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that, no, it's not pre-rendered CG. Most of that just looks like fancy camera work, but graphically it looks about on par with GT5P.

And if nothing else, that video shows that the GT series has two things that no other series has: pure sexiness and class.

Just downloaded and watched 720p WMV HD clip. I think you're right. When I watched low rez Youtube, I thought it was just pre-rendered clip for promotion. Amazing quality achieved by PD.

That being said, don't you think car modeling looks better than GT5P? It's been a long time since I played GT5P. But car modeling in this particular video clip looks definitely better than anything I've seen in game so far. PD probably could push further using *reserved* (or free) resources due to number of cars reduced to 1. It also looks like higher level of AA was used, too.
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post #262 of 3784
9/22/09 at 11:45pm
Looking at the car..Ferrari 458, it indeed looks like pre-rendered CG. However, looking at environment in the 458 video, it is not pre-rendered because it shows 'not so great' quality environment graphics we saw in GT5P. Graphic of the car 458 definitely looks better than GT5P or any others cars we've seen from GT5 video released so far. Definitely higher level of anti-aliasing was used as well.
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post #263 of 3784
9/22/09 at 11:49pm
Just because the environment background is average doesn't mean it's not pre-rendered.

This has a shithouse background but is also pre-rendered:
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/19/v...koenigsegg-cc/
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post #264 of 3784
9/23/09 at 12:12am
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Originally Posted by gooki View Post

Just because the environment background is average doesn't mean it's not pre-rendered.

This has a shithouse background but is also pre-rendered:
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/19/v...koenigsegg-cc/

That CCX video is waaaayyy beyond anything in any preview of GT5. The Ferrari video looks convincing as an in-engine render. But that CCX video is obviously well beyond the rendering capacities of most consumer hardware (let alone the PS3).

Even if the Ferrari video turns out to be rendered on better hardware than the PS3, it's close enough to what PD has already demonstrated on the PS3 that I can believe it. The fact that it's even a question is an accomplishment.
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post #265 of 3784
9/23/09 at 12:23am
http://propergraphics.com/3dlowpoly/...segg_video.htm

You can download the Koenigsegg video in 1080p from the website of the company that created it.

Also, Gamersyde has both GT5's and Forza 3's tributes to the 458 Italia available if you want to do a comparison,
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post #266 of 3784
9/26/09 at 6:14am
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Originally Posted by ShePearl View Post

It's pre-rendered CG.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF37TsqcH8k
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post #267 of 3784
9/26/09 at 7:30am
Holy crap I just caught a stiffy! Awesome video. Here's a cockpit view in game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccih5...eature=related
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post #268 of 3784
9/26/09 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by imdjenk View Post

Holy crap I just caught a stiffy! Awesome video. Here's a cockpit view in game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccih5...eature=related

Wow I want that game even more now
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post #269 of 3784
9/26/09 at 7:48am
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Wow I want that game even more now

Yeah, I'm just waiting for someone to say it's pre rendered including the guy playing it he's pre rendered too, at 60fps. Too bad no audio on these clips.
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post #270 of 3784
9/26/09 at 8:34am
This is the first GT game that is looking good enough to make me consider purchasing a wheel. Perhaps if they are offered in a bundle that would push me over the edge.
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