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post #1111 of 1471
I think if you read back through this thread, you'll find some people who bought the 42" and wish they bought the 50", but few, if any, that bought the 50" and wish they bought the 42".
post #1112 of 1471
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Originally Posted by davidlem View Post

Just ordered my 50" B450, should be here next week. I'm having buyer's remorse; I think it might be a little too big for the bedroom wall. It's not a large room, maybe 13x15, with the bed and TV on opposite sides of the shorter dimension. Perhaps a 42 would have been a better size?

only thing that matters is the distance from which you are viewing. anything more than 8ft..50 and above is better.
post #1113 of 1471
Cool! For me this is a monster bedroom TV. My last one in a previous house was a 32" Sony WEGA - that was heavy and deep, but not large in a similar size room. The living room sports a 56" LCoS at about 9ft which is probably a little close but it works.
post #1114 of 1471
In reply to jason81173...........

Source Satellite (Television)
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Mode = Standard
Cell Light = 7
Contrast = 71
Brightness = 44
Sharpness = 0
Color = 37
Tint = G50/R50


Black Tone = Off
Dynamic Contrast = Low
Gamma = +1
Color Space = Native
White Balance = Default
Flesh Tone = 0
Edge Enhancement = Off


Color Tone = Normal
Size = 16:9
Digital NR = Auto
HDMI Black Level = Normal
post #1115 of 1471
So I've read thru most of this thread.
And I'm wondering a few things:

1. Any of you Standard mode people still happy with Standard?
2. And any more info on cell light settings? I hear 10, then I hear 8, etc, (both from supposedly "pro" calibrators).

Right now I'm using dan's settings from post #362.
Are these still favorable?
They are nice, but it seems the reds are very red (might be the source material, tho).

Thanks.
post #1116 of 1471
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Originally Posted by Ambien Gnome View Post

So I've read thru most of this thread.
And I'm wondering a few things:

1. Any of you Standard mode people still happy with Standard?
2. And any more info on cell light settings? I hear 10, then I hear 8, etc, (both from supposedly "pro" calibrators).

Right now I'm using dan's settings from post #362.
Are these still favorable?
They are nice, but it seems the reds are very red (might be the source material, tho).

Thanks.

I am a Standard mode guy, and I still prefer it over Movie mode. I find that for my set, this mode gives a more accurate colour representation.
post #1117 of 1471
Hello Everyone!

I bought my Samsung PN42B450 last summer and I LOVE IT!!
I have never played with or attemped to adjust the picture settings since it was simply AMAZING straight out of the box.
I just bought a Samsung HT-BD1250 Blu Ray home theater system, which was on sale, plus 30% for missing the remote! (I can control it with the Samsung TV remote so who cares!)
Anyway, Since this TV& HT system are outstanding together at factory default I can't wait to play around with the color settings etc!
post #1118 of 1471
I picked up the 42B450 for the bedroom. As it just fits the wallspace between bathroom door and closet door, I have no regrets whatsoever with going with the 42 over the 50.
post #1119 of 1471
STANDARD MODE for me!

Taking the engineering guys advice on using a B&W movie to set white balance, I threw in Raging Bull blu ray,
and in MOVIE mode the whites are not white. And using the engineering guys settings in MOVIE mode did not take care of it either.
Checking dvdbeavers screenshots for this blu ray, the whites should be, well... white. STANDARD mode for me took care of this, and Dark Knight looks great in STANDARD as well (with some minor tweaks).
All panels are different, I guess.

I'm wondering how B&W movies look for you MOVIE mode people. Were you able to get the whites "white"? I wasn't.
post #1120 of 1471
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ambien Gnome View Post

So I've read thru most of this thread.
And I'm wondering a few things:

1. Any of you Standard mode people still happy with Standard?
2. And any more info on cell light settings? I hear 10, then I hear 8, etc, (both from supposedly "pro" calibrators).

Right now I'm using dan's settings from post #362.
Are these still favorable?
They are nice, but it seems the reds are very red (might be the source material, tho).

Thanks.

my opinion on the cell light is leave it at the default for Standard mode...I found that when I raised it in standard the TV was more prone to image retention/burn in.
post #1121 of 1471
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ambien Gnome View Post

STANDARD MODE for me!

Taking the engineering guys advice on using a B&W movie to set white balance, I threw in Raging Bull blu ray,
and in MOVIE mode the whites are not white. And using the engineering guys settings in MOVIE mode did not take care of it either.
Checking dvdbeavers screenshots for this blu ray, the whites should be, well... white. STANDARD mode for me took care of this, and Dark Knight looks great in STANDARD as well (with some minor tweaks).
All panels are different, I guess.

I'm wondering how B&W movies look for you MOVIE mode people. Were you able to get the whites "white"? I wasn't.

I believe the whites look more "white" in warm 1 in movie mode.
post #1122 of 1471
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Originally Posted by shibez View Post

my opinion on the cell light is leave it at the default for Standard mode...I found that when I raised it in standard the TV was more prone to image retention/burn in.

I don't even remember what the default setting was.

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Originally Posted by shibez View Post

I believe the whites look more "white" in warm 1 in movie mode.

That's because your set is different. It's probably like Dan's. Our are not that way.
post #1123 of 1471
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Originally Posted by shibez View Post

I believe the whites look more "white" in warm 1 in movie mode.

I'd be curious to see what Raging Bull looks like on your set.
Of course I'm using dvdbeavers shots as reference, I would assume they have the correct picture. Maybe you do get pefect white with warm 1, but I can't.
post #1124 of 1471
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Originally Posted by dallows View Post

I don't even remember what the default setting was.



That's because your set is different. It's probably like Dan's. Our are not that way.

The default for standard is 4
post #1125 of 1471
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Originally Posted by Ambien Gnome View Post

I'd be curious to see what Raging Bull looks like on your set.
Of course I'm using dvdbeavers shots as reference, I would assume they have the correct picture. Maybe you do get pefect white with warm 1, but I can't.

maybe i can post a pic of a black n white movie in HD when i get the chance.

Also i am currently using Macs settings With the only exception being Warm 1...I love it
post #1126 of 1471
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Originally Posted by Ambien Gnome View Post

Checking dvdbeavers screenshots for this blu ray, the whites should be, well... white.

Please don't tell me you were viewing those screenshots on your computer monitor and using that as an (assumed) correct basis for comparison.

Also, just on a general note, be aware that we humans tend to respond favorably to a bright bright bluish white. The type you tend to see more commonly on uncalibrated LCDs. It's not an accurate white though. But if you prefer it and don't care as much about accuracy as you do about satisfying your personal taste and are unwilling to retrain your eyes to appreciate color accuracy, then keep it in standard mode.
post #1127 of 1471
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

Please don't tell me you were viewing those screenshots on your computer monitor and using that as an (assumed) correct basis for comparison.

Also, just on a general note, be aware that we humans tend to respond favorably to a bright bright bluish white. The type you tend to see more commonly on uncalibrated LCDs. It's not an accurate white though. But if you prefer it and don't care as much about accuracy as you do about satisfying your personal taste and are unwilling to retrain your eyes to appreciate color accuracy, then keep it in standard mode.

What about a white piece of paper? Is that not "real white?" Is it super white?

If I look at piece of plain white paper, and then have that same type of plain white paper displayed on my tv, it should look the same, no? Barring any changing on the editing floor for effect.
post #1128 of 1471
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Originally Posted by dallows View Post

What about a white piece of paper? Is that not "real white?" Is it super white?

If I look at piece of plain white paper, and then have that same type of plain white paper displayed on my tv, it should look the same, no? Barring any changing on the editing floor for effect.

Maybe we are just using STANDARD white paper, dallows. I guess we should retrain our paper habits and quit using what is really blue paper. Haha.

Well, blue is blue on my monitor, dark green is dark green on my monitor. Yellow is yellow. Guess what pink is? You got it. Pink. I can't imagine my monitor would just happen to throw white off that much.

I would love to know what white is supposed to look like then, if not white. I'm pretty sure I took care of the blue-ish factor, I'll double check.

All good here.
post #1129 of 1471
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Originally Posted by Ambien Gnome View Post

Maybe we are just using STANDARD white paper, dallows. I guess we should retrain our paper habits and quit using what is really blue paper. Haha.

Well, blue is blue on my monitor, dark green is dark green on my monitor. Yellow is yellow. Guess what pink is? You got it. Pink. I can't imagine my monitor would just happen to throw white off that much.

I would love to know what white is supposed to look like then, if not white. I'm pretty sure I took care of the blue-ish factor, I'll double check.

All good here.

i have to go with dallows on this one..because i have a yankees home "pinstripe" jersey ...i am sure every one knows how white the white part of the jersey is...anyways when i watch my yankees in movie mode(warm 2)..their jerseys just dont look white ...they look more like cream. anyways in warm 1 they look white (as they do in standard but standard throws other colors off)
post #1130 of 1471
Got my 50B450 the other day. wow. It's a lot heavier than I expected. The picture is stunning. I notice it seems sharper than my JVC LCoS HD-ILA (also 720p). So far I've only had the chance to check out OTA HD and Xbox 360 (HD games and regular DVD) for a short time. Need to run cable for a satellite receiver in the MBR before it will be used regularly.

I think it was a great buy!
post #1131 of 1471
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Originally Posted by shibez View Post

i have to go with dallows on this one..because i have a yankees home "pinstripe" jersey ...i am sure every one knows how white the white part of the jersey is...anyways when i watch my yankees in movie mode(warm 2)..their jerseys just dont look white ...they look more like cream. anyways in warm 1 they look white (as they do in standard but standard throws other colors off)

The Engineering Guy made this comment on how to set whites (and blacks) in B&W movies:

04-08-10, 11:12 AM #1007 | Link
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"The color settings on this set will never look right because the factory set the wrong internal adjusts during manufacture! You can get the picture better, but it will never be right until the internal settings are corrected, something I'm trying Samsung to do, but don't hold your breath.

To set color balance properly, you need test equipment, however you can get close using a B&W picture. With a B&W picture on the screen, look at the very dark areas of the image. Any color contamination in the dark areas can be removed with the appropriate color 'OFFSET' control. If you find the dark areas appear a little green, as an example, decrease the setting of the GREEN OFFSET. The offset controls effect the dark areas of the picture. When you are satisfied with the dark areas, turn your attention to the bright areas, the color 'GAIN' controls are used to correct any contamination in the bright areas, just as the OFFSET did for the dark areas. You may need to go back and forth a couple of times as the two adjustments do interact with each other.

As for my settings, they are as follows, and produce an as close to a 'technically correct' setting as my set is capable of, but remember, you may have to tweak these a little for your taste and set. These settings won't make the picture 'pop' but they should produce a more natural looking image. The peak illumination with these settings is about 30ftL, which might be a little bright for a really dim room, if so, turn BOTH the contrast and brightness down a bit, Face21's levels for brightness and contrast seem about right for those levels.

MODE: MOVIE, CELL: 8, CONTRAST 79, BRIGHT: 55, SHARP: 20, COLOR:37, TINT: 37G/63R

WHITE BAL: RED(off): 32, GREEN(off): 28, BLUE(off): 20
RED(gain): 44, GREEN(gain): 29, BLUE(gain): 37

COLOR TEMP: WARM-2, GAMMA: +1, COLOR SPACE: AUTO All other picture enhancements OFF!

If you find the black levels a little to light for you taste, you may decrease the GAMMA to zero, however you will be losing some dark detail with the colors appearing more saturated. You may want to check the white balance against a B&W picture, to see if it needs a little tweaking, since these settings are adjusted to balance my set.

As for menu items that are grayed out, that is because these settings are not applicable or meaningful, with the current inputs or settings of the set. For instance, HDMI black levels refers to RGB signal coding (mostly from video game equipment) , however, your current signal is xyY coded (most likely from a DVD player) , making an RGB adjust both imposable and meaningless (that's why its grayed out)."
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Modern white copy paper is often dyed with flourescent dye which actually flouresces -blue- under flourescent light which gives the brightness of the paper as over 100.

Any way, I think we mostly all agree this panel of Sammy is great, and CNET gave Samsung #1 and #3 out of the top 5 panels for 2009. None of the top 5 were Sony Bravias or Panny's: no Kuros, for example.. Enjoy your settings!
post #1132 of 1471
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Originally Posted by TaichiKid View Post

The Engineering Guy made this comment on how to set whites (and blacks) in B&W movies:

04-08-10, 11:12 AM #1007 | Link
EE_engineer
New Member

Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 11
"The color settings on this set will never look right because the factory set the wrong internal adjusts during manufacture! You can get the picture better, but it will never be right until the internal settings are corrected, something I'm trying Samsung to do, but don't hold your breath.

To set color balance properly, you need test equipment, however you can get close using a B&W picture. With a B&W picture on the screen, look at the very dark areas of the image. Any color contamination in the dark areas can be removed with the appropriate color 'OFFSET' control. If you find the dark areas appear a little green, as an example, decrease the setting of the GREEN OFFSET. The offset controls effect the dark areas of the picture. When you are satisfied with the dark areas, turn your attention to the bright areas, the color 'GAIN' controls are used to correct any contamination in the bright areas, just as the OFFSET did for the dark areas. You may need to go back and forth a couple of times as the two adjustments do interact with each other.

As for my settings, they are as follows, and produce an as close to a 'technically correct' setting as my set is capable of, but remember, you may have to tweak these a little for your taste and set. These settings won't make the picture 'pop' but they should produce a more natural looking image. The peak illumination with these settings is about 30ftL, which might be a little bright for a really dim room, if so, turn BOTH the contrast and brightness down a bit, Face21's levels for brightness and contrast seem about right for those levels.

MODE: MOVIE, CELL: 8, CONTRAST 79, BRIGHT: 55, SHARP: 20, COLOR:37, TINT: 37G/63R

WHITE BAL: RED(off): 32, GREEN(off): 28, BLUE(off): 20
RED(gain): 44, GREEN(gain): 29, BLUE(gain): 37

COLOR TEMP: WARM-2, GAMMA: +1, COLOR SPACE: AUTO All other picture enhancements OFF!

If you find the black levels a little to light for you taste, you may decrease the GAMMA to zero, however you will be losing some dark detail with the colors appearing more saturated. You may want to check the white balance against a B&W picture, to see if it needs a little tweaking, since these settings are adjusted to balance my set.

As for menu items that are grayed out, that is because these settings are not applicable or meaningful, with the current inputs or settings of the set. For instance, HDMI black levels refers to RGB signal coding (mostly from video game equipment) , however, your current signal is xyY coded (most likely from a DVD player) , making an RGB adjust both imposable and meaningless (that's why its grayed out)."
Last edited by EE_engineer;


Modern white copy paper is often dyed with flourescent dye which actually flouresces -blue- under flourescent light which gives the brightness of the paper as over 100.

Any way, I think we mostly all agree this panel of Sammy is great, and CNET gave Samsung #1 and #3 out of the top 5 panels for 2009. None of the top 5 were Sony Bravias or Panny's: no Kuros, for example.. Enjoy your settings!

Good info... ill try this out. But, I would take my Panny any day over the Sammy... and honestly, who here really goes on reviews of cnet?
post #1133 of 1471
I read all the reviews that I can get my hands on. The bigger unbiased reviewers such as CNET I would tend to pay more attention vs some with retail profit bias. I am cautious with money, esp an extra $500 for brand bias. Statements like 'Lexuses are great, so are Volvo's and Toyota's' in general have burned me so many times!

While I only speak for myself, there are reviews/calibration results from notable personalities such as Tom Huffman, an isf calibrator who posts a lot in AVSForum:

http://www.displaycalibrationonline....lasma_2009.asp

There are two reasons I would be swayed by his professional opinion:

1) He is a professional calibrator

2) He is a Kuro owner, not a Sammy owner!


I would temper my enthusiasm with two observations:

a) Mr. Huffmann owns the 2008 Kuro, and is comparing it with the 2009 Samsung, and observes that he thinks that the new Kuro (if you can find one) has not changed or imroved for the better

b) You also have to know that the sammy panels are the same thruout the 2009 Sammy line; as you go up in price only the diagonal size goes up and the number of features such as internet ready... However, the quality of the plasma panels are the same. For example, the firmware update is the same for 2009 (the number might be different only)

I think in the future, many manufacturers will tend to converge in good quality as they compete for a share of our dollars. Which is great for us!
post #1134 of 1471
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Originally Posted by Ambien Gnome View Post

Maybe we are just using STANDARD white paper, dallows. I guess we should retrain our paper habits and quit using what is really blue paper. Haha.

Well, blue is blue on my monitor, dark green is dark green on my monitor. Yellow is yellow. Guess what pink is? You got it. Pink. I can't imagine my monitor would just happen to throw white off that much.

I would love to know what white is supposed to look like then, if not white. I'm pretty sure I took care of the blue-ish factor, I'll double check.

All good here.

I don't you quite understood what I was saying.
post #1135 of 1471
dallows- if you don't mind me asking, what are you current settings? thanks
post #1136 of 1471
I did.
I was just being silly.
post #1137 of 1471
dallows have you tried "mac4ps" settings from page 35? I think you would be happy with them when switching from warm 2 to warm 1.
post #1138 of 1471
Red Dead Redemption on XBOX 360:

I am having some issues with my display during in-game night time:

When it turns to night time my display does some weird stuff with brightness. For example, when skinning an animal at night my display brightens up a bit when the camera is looking up at John Marston with the stars in the back background. Once the camera refocuses behind me after the skinning cinematic completes, the display stays extremely bright for about 1 second, it then turns back to normal brightness.

It is also noticeable when walking through caves or houses at night, depending on where the camera is focused, the display will brighten or darken, very annoying.

I have a Samsung plasma PN50B550, all image processing options set to "off" under picture controls. Warm 2, cell light 9, brightness 60, contrast 90, sharpness off, dynamic contrast off.
post #1139 of 1471
Hey guys,
Ive had a PN50B450 for a couple of months so far and It's been great right out
of the box but I wanted to fine tune the settings to make it look its best so I've been through most of this forum but the settings I found by dan on post 699 make my
set look really dark and wierd. Standard works great for me but is there anyone else
who's found this? Whats the recommended setting for 'standard' sets since I realised that dan's settings work best for sets which are somehow better in movie mode.
Thanks.
p.s. is it better to increase the cell light (which I heard can increase burn in) or gamma?
post #1140 of 1471
Hi,

I have purchased an acer revo media computer. When I connect the PN42B450 to hdmi 1 or 3, the screen displays a "mode is not supported" message. I have manually set the resolution to 1024x768.

When I connect the tv to hdmi/dvi (2), there is no sound and the computer shows I have a dvi connection rather than an hdmi connection. I purchased this cable off amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-6-foot-ca.../ref=de_a_smtd

I have called samsung support and they claim I must plug the computer into the hdmi/dvi receptacle and I should hear sound. They also state hdmi 1 and 2 will not work.

Does anyone have their computer hooked up to hdmi 1 or 2? anyone have a sense of what's going on?

thanks,
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