Samsung PN**B450 Picture Settings - Page 43

I like the change of the color space from native to auto. I also went ahead and made the changes you posted last night. I got to watch a couple of blue rays on it and really like the picture.

I think the auto color space setting is more realistic than native setting. I will update all of the movie/standard mode settings this weekend and post on this thread. This will probably take no more than 30 minutes total.

There is probably one more way to adjust the picture, but that may require service menu adjustments, which I do not recommend. The service menu for this tv has a section for adjusting the gamma setting, which I have adjusted in the past with little benefit. I also noticed that the service menu has an area for color space adjustments which I know very little about.

The likelihood of further adjustments is not too great, so the color space auto settings will probably be my last posting. But I have said this ("last posting") before.

Until next time,

Vincentfam

Greetings,

Here are standard mode settings for component and hdmi inputs. Movie modes are not listed due to very difficult calibrations. I recommend using the movie mode settings listed in the "exhaustive settings" previously posted. Also note settings are slightly different from prior postings to level out gamma curve. gamma & rgb graphs attached.

Component Input

Average Gamma 2.33
Static Contrast Ratio 1502:1
Peak White 46.6 ftl
0% IRE 0.031 ftL

standard mode
color tone normal
cell light 7
contrast 78
brightness 53
sharpness 2 range 1-4, i am using 4
color 50
tint 52/48
Black Tone Darkest
Gamma -3
color space auto
cuts Red 22 Green 32 Blue 40
Gain Red 46 Green 43 Blue 44
picture size 16:9
All other enhancements off, except for black tone



HDMI Input

Average Gamma 2.33
Static Contrast Ratio 1303:1
Peak White 47.3 ftl
0% IRE 0.036 ftL

standard mode
color tone normal
cell light 6
contrast 80
brightness 53
sharpness 2 range 1-4, i am using 4
color 50
tint 51/49
Black Tone Darkest
Gamma -3
color space auto
cuts Red 13 Green 24 Blue 30
Gain Red 48 Green 43 Blue 44
picture size 16:9
All other enhancements off, except for black tone

Vincentfam

Attachment 244873

Attachment 244874

Attachment 244875

Attachment 244876

Greetings,

Component Input with brighter picture for brighter rooms, higher constrast ratio.

Average Gamma 2.26
Static Contrast Ratio 1618:1
Peak White 49.7 ftl
0% IRE 0.031 ftL

standard mode
color tone normal
cell light 6
contrast 88
brightness 52
sharpness 2 range 1-4, i am using 4
color 50
tint 52/48
Black Tone Darkest
Gamma -3
color space auto
cuts Red 17 Green 21 Blue 34
Gain Red 41 Green 36 Blue 38
picture size 16:9
All other enhancements off, except for black tone


Vincentfam

Component Input

Corrected May 1, 2012, apologies

Average Gamma 2.32
Static Contrast Ratio 1526:1
Peak White 46.7 ftl
0% IRE 0.031 ftL

standard mode
color tone normal
cell light 6
contrast 83
brightness 52
sharpness 2 range 1-4, i am using 4
color 50
tint 52/48
Black Tone Darkest
Gamma -3
color space auto
cuts Red 13 Green 26 Blue 33
Gain Red 45 Green 38 Blue 39
picture size 16:9
All other enhancements off, except for black tone


Vincentfam

Attachment 245185

hdmi Input

Average Gamma 2.29
Static Contrast Ratio 1189:1
Peak White 46.7 ftl
0% IRE 0.039 ftL

standard mode
color tone normal
cell light 6
contrast 83
brightness 52
sharpness 2 range 1-4, i am using 4
color 50
tint 51/49
Black Tone Darkest
Gamma -3
color space auto
cuts Red 13 Green 22 Blue 32
Gain Red 40 Green 36 Blue 36
picture size 16:9
All other enhancements off, except for black tone


Vincentfam

Attachment 245429

Greetings,

Below is an update on the hdmi standard mode settings. I thought that I should post the updated settings because the picture looks better than my component settings, and these settings show the effect of ganging calibration, which was described in earlier posts.

By adjusting the rgb levels using ganging I was able to flatten out the gamma curve a little better. Graph is posted below:

hdmi Input

Average Gamma 2.38
Static Contrast Ratio 1154:1
Peak White 47.1 ftl
0% IRE 0.041 ftL

standard mode
color tone normal
cell light 6
contrast 83
brightness 52
sharpness 2 range 1-4, i am using 4
color 50
tint 51/49
Black Tone Darkest
Gamma -3
color space auto
cuts Red 10 Green 23 Blue 30
Gain Red 39 Green 34 Blue 34
picture size 16:9
All other enhancements off, except for black tone

Attachment 245573

Vincentfam

Average Gamma 2.35
Static Contrast Ratio 1189:1
Peak White 46.4 ftl
0% IRE 0.039 ftL

standard mode
color tone normal
cell light 6
contrast 82
brightness 52
sharpness 3
color 50
tint 51/49
Black Tone Darkest
Gamma -3
color space auto
cuts Red 11 Green 24 Blue 31
Gain Red 42 Green 39 Blue 38
picture size 16:9
All other enhancements off, except for black tone

Vincentfam

Attachment 247096

Attachment 247097

Greetings,

In calibration jargon, below settings made by using apl large windows. Per forum participants, provides realistic settings.

Average Gamma 2.53
Static Contrast Ratio 1191:1
Peak White 41.6 ftl
0% IRE 0.035 ftL

standard mode
color tone normal
cell light 6
contrast 82
brightness 52
sharpness 3
color 50
tint 51/49
Black Tone Darkest
Gamma -3
color space auto
cuts Red 10 Green 17 Blue 33
Gain Red 44 Green 39 Blue 38
picture size 16:9
All other enhancements off, except for black tone

Vincentfam

Attachment 247135

Attachment 247136

Greetings colleagues,

Two forum regulars on a different thread recommended a lower gamma level because of possible black crush, and by calibrating with apl windows for realistic response. Picture looks slightly brighter with better detail in dark areas. Measured average gamma is 2.42 due to use of apl windows, with real average gamma probably around 2.35.

There are some major differences, higher static contrast ratio, brightness, gamma, and cell light setting.

Here are the settings:

Average Gamma 2.42
Static Contrast Ratio 1234:1
Peak White 42 ftl
0% IRE 0.034 ftL

standard mode
color tone normal
cell light 7
contrast 82
brightness 51
sharpness 3
color 50
tint 51/49
Black Tone Darkest
Gamma -2
color space auto
cuts Red 10 Green 17 Blue 33
Gain Red 49 Green 46 Blue 45
picture size 16:9
All other enhancements off, except for black tone

Vincentfam

Greetings Colleagues,

I have been advised by Learned colleagues from the display calibration thread to use large apl patterns during calibration to provide more realistic settings. Also, they advised that gamma level should be lowered to about 2.3. I am not going to explain the above technical jargon, but to say that the advised techniques were useful. The biggest change is more detail in dark areas.

A note before providing the settings: The black tone has an impact on gamma in brightness levels in gray scale below 30%. A setting of "darker" leveled out the gamma curve in these brightness levels.

Here are the rgb and gamma graphs:

Attachment 247362

Attachment 247363

Also, these are hdmi settings. Let me know if you also prefer component settings using the apl patterns.

Average Gamma 2.30
Static Contrast Ratio 1310:1
Peak White 42.5 ftl

standard mode
color tone normal
cell light 8
contrast 83
brightness 50
sharpness 2
color 50
tint 51/49
Black Tone Darker
Gamma -1
color space auto
cuts Red 12 Green 18 Blue 34
Gain Red 45 Green 43 Blue 43
16:9
All other enhancements off, including edge enhancement

Vincentfam

I will have to give these a try over the next couple of days. Also if you'd want to do component settings that would be great.

And here you thought you were done with these tweaks lol

Greetings,

Here are the hdmi movie mode settings that used large apl patterns during calibration. rgb and gamma graphs below. Component settings will be finished tomorrow or Friday. Picture is slightly brighter than previous settings, with a little more detail in dark scenes.

Movie Mode
Color Tone Warm2

Attachment 247448

Attachment 247449

Average Gamma 2.31
Static Contrast Ratio 1022:1
Peak White 37 ftl
0% gray 0.036 ftL

Movie mode
color tone warm2
cell light 8
contrast 88
brightness 51
sharpness 3
color 50
tint 50/50
Black Tone Darker
Gamma +1
color space auto
cuts Red 33 Green 25 Blue 34
Gain Red 47 Green 29 Blue 48
16:9
All other enhancements off, including edge enhancement

Vincentfam

Greetings,

Here are the hdmi/component settings for standard/movie modes using large apl patterns during calibration. Pictures are slightly brighter than previous settings with more detail in dark areas. Average measured gamma between 2.3 and 2.4. rgb and gamma graphs attached.

The use of large apl patterns was recommended by two AVS Forum regulars for realistic calibration settings for plasma tvs. They also suggested turning the black tone setting to off to potentially get more detail in dark areas. My preference is to have black tone set to "darker" to level out the gamma curve close to 0% gray and my viewing environment is controlled dark lighting. If you are interested in the names of the two regulars, just let me know.


hdmi standard settings

Attachment 247585

Attachment 247586

Average Gamma 2.37
Static Contrast Ratio 1267:1
Peak White 44.7 ftl
0% gray 0.035 ftL

standard mode
color tone normal
cell light 10
contrast 84
brightness 51
sharpness 2 (4 if using tv input pan scan)
color 50
tint 51/49
Black Tone Darker
Gamma -2
color space auto
cuts Red 12 Green 18 Blue 34
Gain Red 46 Green 45 Blue 43
16:9
hdmi black level low
All other enhancements off, including edge enhancement


hdmi movie settings

Attachment 247587

Attachment 247588

Average Gamma 2.35
Static Contrast Ratio 1038:1
Peak White 37.8 ftl
0% gray 0.036 ftL

movie mode
color tone warm2
cell light 9
contrast 86
brightness 51
sharpness 3
color 50
tint 50/50
Black Tone Darker
Gamma +1
color space auto
cuts Red 37 Green 25 Blue 42
Gain Red 50 Green 35 Blue 46
16:9
hdmi black level low
All other enhancements off, including edge enhancement


component standard settings

reached maximum attachments. see post below for these attachments

Average Gamma 2.35
Static Contrast Ratio 1219:1
Peak White 42.1 ftl
0% gray 0.035 ftL

standard mode
color tone normal
cell light 6
contrast 87
brightness 51
sharpness 2 (6 if using tv input pan scan)
color 50
tint 52/48
Black Tone Darker
Gamma -2
color space auto
cuts Red 18 Green 25 Blue 40
Gain Red 45 Green 36 Blue 39
16:9
black level low
All other enhancements off, including edge enhancement


component movie settings

Attachment 247583

Attachment 247584

Average Gamma 2.38
Static Contrast Ratio 1020:1
Peak White 39 ftl
0% gray 0.038 ftL

movie mode
color tone warm2
cell light 10
contrast 87
brightness 51
sharpness 9
color 50
tint 50/50
Black Tone Darker
Gamma +1
color space auto
cuts Red 31 Green 25 Blue 36
Gain Red 48 Green 28 Blue 50
16:9
black level low
All other enhancements off, including edge enhancement

Vincentfam

Component Standard Settings graphs:

Attachment 247589

Attachment 247590

Interesting settings, Vincent. Thanks for these! It has been some time since I checked this forum. Have you ever tried settings for the VGA input which best match your PC screen? I have never found a perfect setting, but 'Dynamic' is close...

TaichiKid,

Use the above hdmi settings for the DVI/hdmi input. If you do not have a dvi/hdmi cable, you may want to obtain one from an internet site such as monoprice (good and cheap). I do not believe that the dynamic mode can be properly calibrated.

Vincentfam

I use the VGA output connector directly from the spare PC near the TV to the VGA input on the TV... I cannot add a card, since this PC is a laptop, but even if I could, it would only be doing an analog VGA signal to digital conversion, and the quality of the converter cards (even very expensive ones..) are definitely not as good as the A/D converter in the Samsung itself.

So I feed my VGA ouput directly to the VGA input. For me, the Sammy was a good choice because it avoided me having to add a HDMI card to another PC...

Oh, I only mentioned Dynamic since it most seemed to duplicate the screen of my laptop... But this is unlikely the correct setting

TaichiKid,

Sorry, I do not have a vga connection to the tv. I only have the dvi/hdmi connection.

Vincentfam

Greetings,

I noticed one thing about my cable system, that I can change the "tv type" to 16:9, 4:3, or pan scan. Changing it from 16:9 to pan scan appears to improve the PQ. Also, I adjusted the blu ray's input to pan scan and the sharpness settings changed to improve picture - see above.

Just thought you would want to know.

Vincentfam

I learn something every day; I thought all models of the Sammy PN**B450 had a PC (VGA) and PC audio input above the rows of component video connectors and just above the USB (Service) connector.

I did go into the service menu and adjust most all the settings according to the calibrated European settings in earlier posts in this forum. About the only thing left I was wondering about were the best PC settings for this set.

I do have a vga input but I do not have a vga cable. I connect the computer with a dvi/hdmi cable.

Just to say thank you for your work.

I wanted to report back that I tried these settings on my PN63B490 and they made a noticeable difference in the PQ. The Menus on the Dish Receiver are now very pronounced (maybe a bit over) but the HD HDMI PQ's are much better. I've had the B490 for about 3 years now with no calibration at all. I was planning on a professional calibration (I still may in a little while) but these helped a lot.

My only changes were that using your default setting the color on the 63" was way over-saturated so I had to reduce the color value down from your recommendation.

If you think any of these should be something else, please let me know.

The Settings I found that work well on my PN63B490 are:

Standard:
Cell: 10
Contrast: 84
Brightness: 61
Sharpness: 10
Color: 41 (notice the reduction)
Tint: G51/R49

Black Tone: Darker
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Gamma: -2
Color Space: Auto
White Balance: (As you detailed above) 12:18:34 46:45:43
Flesh Tone: 0
Edge: Off

Color Tone: Normal
Size: 16:9
Digital NR: Off
File Mode: Off

Bookworm370,

I am glad to see the settings are useful for your 63" samsung. My 50" may have different internal color adjustments for a different picture. But the key to these settings is a contrast setting in the mid 80s to avoid a color tint in higher settings, gamma setting @ -2, and the black tone darker setting to level out measured gamma level.

There is one additional thing for you to try. If your dish receiver has an adjustment for the tv type, you may want to change it from 16:9 to 4:3 pan scan to see if that improves PQ. This improves my PQ. I do not know why, but it could be the fact that this is a 720p tv where the pixels are shaped differently.

Vincentfam

It is important to consider using a combination of other factors, other than just relying on the settings. Electronic devices (blu ray, tvs, set top box) are unique, some work together, some don't. The other factors that you may use is to adjust the set top box settings, etc.

To make my tv PQ better, which may or may not work on your system, is to adjust the settop box's settings to 4:3 pan scan. It shows a regular picture and appears to improve PQ. Also, I change the box's color space from YCC to rgb. This also appears to improve my PQ.

Just thought you'd want to know.

Vincentfam

Greetings,

In adjusting the best possible picture quality, I used the large apl patterns during calibration, changed black tone to darkest to increase static contrast ratio, but kept gamma setting @ -2 to avoid losing detail in dark scenes. This picture looks about the best I have seen. I know, I know, I have said this before. But the Constrast ratios increased, with better black levels without losing detail.

Below are hdmi/component settings for standard modes. Another major change for component settings is cell changed to 10.

hdmi standard settings

Average Gamma 2.35
Static Contrast Ratio 1375:1
Peak White 44.3 ftl
0% gray 0.032 ftL

standard mode
color tone normal
cell light 9
contrast 84
brightness 51
sharpness 2
color 50
tint 51/49
Black Tone Darkest
Gamma -2
color space auto
cuts Red 12 Green 18 Blue 34
Gain Red 46 Green 45 Blue 43
16:9
hdmi black level low
All other enhancements off, including edge enhancement


component standard settings

These settings are also good for tv-over-the-air and possibly computer vga inputs.

Average Gamma 2.38
Static Contrast Ratio 1279:1
Peak White 45.1 ftl
0% gray 0.035 ftL

standard mode
color tone normal
cell light 10
contrast 87
brightness 51
sharpness 2
color 50
tint 52/48
Black Tone Darkest
Gamma -2
color space auto
cuts Red 12 Green 25 Blue 37
Gain Red 39 Green 39 Blue 37
16:9
hdmi black level low
All other enhancements off, including edge enhancement

Once again,

Vincentfam

The Sharpness Settings:

My sharpness settings for movie modes (hdmi and component) have been adjusted to 31. Standard mode sharpness settings remain at 2. EDIT: Per forum regulars, screen fit may be better picture size than 16:9 for PQ, but setting may not include some IR protection.

Vincentfam
Edited by vincentfam - 6/21/12 at 10:51am

The Screen Fit Preference:

Greetings once again Colleagues,

After some calibrations, herein are further observations and recommendations:

Screen Fit picture size is probably better than 16:9 because it provides 1:1 mapping of pixels, provided that your source input is set to 1080i. Screen Fit also impacts and increases average gamma level a bit, with no measureable impact on rgb levels or other settings. Sharpness for standard modes remain at 2, but changes to 10 for movie mode/component and 13 for movie mode/hdmi. Digital NR: Auto

I apologize for the brief interruption, but I thought you would want to know.

Vincentfam

June 24, 2012 corrections made.
Edited by vincentfam - 6/24/12 at 12:48pm

Settings Using Small APL Patterns and Screen Fit:

Greetings Colleagues,

It has been highly recommended that small apl patterns be used during calibration. Also recommended were hdmi black level low, setting black tones to off and digital NR to off. These settings are for screen fit picture size. You need to make sure your input signal is set at 1080i. Respective gamma curves also provided:

For TV and computer inputs, use component settings Set sharpness @ 0 for TV's movie and standard modes.
July 4, 2012 edit: Adjusted brightness down one notch, per forum recommendation.
July 5, 2012 Settings updated.

Standard HDMI
screen fit
small apl patterns

standard mode
color tone normal
cell light 8
contrast 84
brightness 50
sharpness 1
color 49
tint 51/49
black tone off
Gamma -2
auto color space
cuts Red 8 Green 20 Blue 35
Gain Red 49 Green 37 Blue 38
screen fit
All other enhancements off, including edge enhancement

gamma h-s.jpg 98k .jpg file

Movie HDMI
screen fit
small apl patterns

movie mode
color tone warm2
cell light 8
contrast 84
brightness 51
sharpness 6
color 49
tint 51/49
black tone off
Gamma 0
auto color space
cuts Red 30 Green 29 Blue 48
Gain Red 50 Green 28 Blue 45
screen fit
All other enhancements off, including edge enhancement

gamma h-m.jpg 97k .jpg file

Standard Component
screen fit
small apl patterns

standard mode
color tone normal
cell light 8
contrast 87
brightness 50
sharpness 1
color 48
tint 51/49
black tone off
Gamma -2
auto color space
cuts Red 18 Green 25 Blue 45
Gain Red 50 Green 38 Blue 37
screen fit
All other enhancements off, including edge enhancement

gamma c-s.jpg 99k .jpg file

Movie Component
screen fit
small apl patterns

movie mode
color tone warm2
cell light 8
contrast 87
brightness 51
sharpness 2
color 47
tint 50/50
black tone off
Gamma 0
auto color space
cuts Red 27 Green 25 Blue 46
Gain Red 48 Green 26 Blue 44
screen fit
All other enhancements off, including edge enhancement

gamma c-m.jpg 99k .jpg file


Vincentfam
Edited by vincentfam - 7/6/12 at 5:41am