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post #1441 of 1471
Quote:
Originally Posted by vincentfam View Post

Hi Bookworm370,

From what I gleamed from the forum, generally component and HDMI will deliver a quality digital picture, the exception being that HDMI has the capacity to deliver 1080p, while the component does not have this capacity. However, there are those few that say that component delivers a better picture for cable (set top box) sources than HDMI, and that HDMI is better for blu ray players which delivers a pure digital signal to the tv. Whether or not this is true may be up to personal preferences and the interaction (for example "scaling") between the hdtv and connected devices.

Ok thanks, I'll play with that. But you got everything right except one thing.

The component inputs are Analog Yr, Br, Gr, etc inputs in hi-def. HDMI is pure digital.

Receiver manufactures are adding HDMI inputs and output like mad, while making their receivers smaller, cheaper and cooler buy removing the component in's/outs.

Now there will always be some amount of composite input (like 2 for your old tape decks, or phono), most have dropped S-Video completely from their receivers, there may be 3 component inputs that can be upscaled up to HDMI. But HDMI cannot be downscaled.

So grand scheme of things, in the future, is that you will have 2 and only 2 (maybe 3 if you want a fiber back-feed) cables to your TV. Power, HDMI and a fiber audio out for OTA playbacks.

The color as well as sound corrections (as in my Denon 3313) can also be done in the receiver for each input. So a standard will have to be applied to the TV (based probably on either an HDMI BluRay reference or most likely a USB stick reference, to calibrate the base TV. Then in each input mode (BluRay, Satellite, AppleTV, GoogleTV, etcTV) the colors can be rebalanced there. My receiver also allows me to alter the brightness reference signal and contrasts from the 0db reference for each input. So tuning the future would be setting the Receiver to Reference 0db mode and then calibrating the TV to an external source like the plugin USB stick. Then you can adjust offsets from the AVR Receiver. It's the one that's doing the upscaling, the over or under scanning, the timing delays, etc.

It's just like Audessy that is built into the receivers now, you don't have to tune your base, treble, mid-range, speakers, harmonics, etc. It comes with a microphone, you put it in 8 different locations while it plays reference reverb tones and actually builds up a profile of the exact acoustical characteristic of your room. All the soft spots, dull or spark spots, then build in the equalization to give you THX quality sound (or as close as you can get) without you touching a thing. That also means that if you move a chair, get new rugs, etc, you have to rerun the calibration again, but no big deal, you just have to wait for a quiet time to do it. About the only thing I tweak on my sound is the center channel crossovers and db levels. I've been to too many rock concerts so I like to brighten up the dialog a little bit. In fact, the 3313 was the first receiver that had a 'dialog boost' mode already built into it that you could enable.

So the calibrators are now begging to start to lose an unwinable war. They come in an do a calibration then the customer calls them back and says that I watched 'The Blacklist' and everyones face was Yellow!! Duhhh, They calibrated to the BluRay reference disc but Direct TV or Dish, or Time Warner is not using the same reference points, and/or the receiver is set differently for each input.

It makes my head hurt but you answered the question. I'll try both methods now that I know what your thoughts were. The component settings might even look better once I set them and then tweak them on the Denon.

Thanks,
George
post #1442 of 1471
Bookworm370,

I agree that component inputs are analog. I probably should not have said that it provides a good digital picture, but instead should have said that it provides a quality picture. Good luck and let us know of the results of your viewing experience.

Vic12345,

Some members say that component cables provide a better picture from cable providers because they are analog and do not lose detail that may be lost by using hdmi cables. But hdmi cables may be better for blu rays which provides a pure digital signal. I do not know anything about satellite service, but my brother in law uses component cables with his satellite service and his picture looks great - however, I also found out that his sharpness setting was jacked up to 70. The 16:9 picture size is used because the pixel phase pattern (DVE) indicates more detail (better resolution) than using screen fit.

Fleshtone -I do not use this setting at this time.

Edge enhacement - I use this setting to make my hdtv look like the 1080p vizio in a barbershop. Some members recommend this option for personal preference in viewing.

Standard mode and native colorspace- I calibrate these settings @ a color temperature of 8000K for day viewing to make whites whiter. The native colorspace makes the colors more vivid. I also use the brightness technique using the DVE brightness pattern to make blacks blacker. The blue filter technique is used with the AVS Forum 709 color pattern for color and tint settings. The 21% red technique washes out reds too much for my tv.

sharpness - use of the DVE brightness pattern technique allows better detection of artifacts - which is probably the reason why my sharpness settings are below 3.

dynamic contrast- I do not use this setting.

Good luck,

Vincentfam
post #1443 of 1471
The Saturation/Luminance Dilemma & Use of Red Filter:

Brightness settings in this posting appear to have black crush and will be readjusted later.

Greetings Colleagues,

This HDTV in this thread does not have a CMS for color and tint control and an alternative method has to be used. In the past, I have used the blue filter method for the color and tint settings, but I have reviewed some very old comments in this forum that suggest using the red filter in the event that red push may be a problem. Therefore, below are recent color/tint settings using this method with a miscellaneous color pattern from the AVS Forum 709 disk. Keep in mind, however, that the filter methods were developed for CRT TVs and give only an approximation for plasma tvs.

Note: Greens look better. However, the blue filter technique appears to be the method to use for this tv.

Standard Component
Red Filter Method
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone cool
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 90
brightness 46
sharpness 1 (regular technique)
color 54
tint 48/52

Gamma -1
native color space
offsets Red 8 Green 18 Blue 22
Gain Red 28 Green 14 Blue 9
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie Component
Red Filter Method
D65

Movie mode
color tone warm2
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 93
brightness 45
sharpness 2 (regular technique)
color 48
tint 53/47

Gamma +2
auto color space
offsets Red 20 Green 26 Blue 29
Gain Red 41 Green 23 Blue 36
Edge Enhancement On, others off.

Vincentfam
Edited by vincentfam - 1/5/14 at 9:22pm
post #1444 of 1471
Wall Mounting Recommendations?

Greetings Colleagues,

Does anyone have any recommendations for wall mounting brackets with in wall wiring?

Vincentfam
post #1445 of 1471
Brightness Settings Observations:

Greetings Colleagues,

You may want to consider calibrating brightness in normal viewing light environment(s). Recently, when I calibrated brightness in an all dark environment, it appears that the picture loses detail in normally lighter viewing environments. After calibration brightness in an all dark room, when room lighting conditions were adjusted for normal viewing conditions, the brightness settings calibrated in normal viewing lighting were actually lighter and showed more details in dark scenes than the settings calibrated in an all dark environment.

Therefore, for movie mode, I recommend calibrating brightness in a slightly dim room (if that is your normal viewing environment for movie mode), and for standard mode, I recommend calibrating brightness in a normally lit room, if that is your normal viewing environment for the standard mode. These recommendations are only for the brightness settings. For grayscale, etc., I still calibrate these settings in a mostly dark room.

Vincentfam
post #1446 of 1471
The Mounted Settings:

Greetings Colleagues,

Brightness settings in this posting appear to have black crush and will be readjusted later.

My PN50B450 has been successfully mounted to the wall and, before mounting, settings were adjusted for a slightly brighter picture. Significant changes are highlighted. Also, I changed hdmi inputs from hdmi2 to hdmi1. I will post pictures later.

“The Component Settings”
Component 1 Input
Recommended for OTA and Cable Box viewing

Standard Component
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone normal
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 92
brightness 46
sharpness 1 (regular technique) 7 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 51
tint 48/52
Gamma -1
native color space
offsets Red 10 Green 20 Blue 27
Gain Red 16 Green 10 Blue 7
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie Component
D65

Movie mode
color tone warm2
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 93
brightness 45
sharpness 2 (regular technique) 8 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 48
tint 51/49
Gamma +2
auto color space
offsets Red 16 Green 27 Blue 30
Gain Red 42 Green 23 Blue 36
Edge Enhancement On, others off.




“The HDMI Settings”
HDMI 1 Input
Recommended for Blu Ray viewing.

Standard HDMI
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone cool
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 88
brightness 47
sharpness 1 (regular technique) 7 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 51
tint 50/50
Gamma -2
native color space
offsets Red 15 Green 26 Blue 25
Gain Red 38 Green 22 Blue 20
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie HDMI
D65

Movie mode
color tone warm2
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 92
brightness 45
sharpness 2 (regular technique) 8 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 48
tint 51/49
Gamma +2
auto color space
offsets Red 14 Green 28 Blue 29
Gain Red 42 Green 22 Blue 36
Edge Enhancement On, others off.

Vincentfam
Edited by vincentfam - 1/5/14 at 9:22pm
post #1447 of 1471
Pre Mount Photos:

Herein are some photos prior to wall mounting the hdtv. I used a monoprice wall bracket with extra thick steel to feel better or comfortable that the tv will be secured on the wall. I obtained a fixed mount that slightly tilts so that the space between the wall and cable input will be about 4 inches - which makes it better when attaching the cables to their respective inputs on the tv. You do not want to use an ultra slim mounting bracket - not enough space for the cables.

I purchased monoprice cables that were designed for in-wall use (class 2 cables). The hdmi cable is monoprice's Redmere cable that is designed for inwall use and very durable and easy to install.

I used the powerbridge power extension kit to install power outlets and cables into the wall. Youtube has many useful videos on how to install these kits, and claim that it takes minutes to install. It actually took me hours to install the mount and kit due to my successful attempts to hide my clandestine efforts to conceal my mounting ventures from my wife. After she found out about it, I believe that she likes the mounting - she actually cleaned around it.

The tv is mounted at eye level, which is recommended. Also, some of the wiring on the floor are from the old set up and will be picked up to make the wiring look cleaner.

PreMountPlateandExtensionKit.JPG 2070k .JPG file
PreMountRearRailsandWires.JPG 1666k .JPG file
PreMountWallPlate.JPG 1811k .JPG file

See more pictures below,

Vincentfam
Edited by vincentfam - 11/27/13 at 5:16am
post #1448 of 1471
post #1449 of 1471
The Mounted PN50B450

Greetings Colleagues,

Here is the final picture of the mounted pn50b450, using the monoprice mounting bracket with the powerbridge power extension kit. See post #1446 for most recent settings.

For Do It Yourself calibration techniques for plasma tvs, see this link: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430821/some-diy-techniques-in-calibrating-plasma-hdtv

TheMountedPN50B450.JPG 1323k .JPG file

Your colleague in picture quality,

Vincentfam
Edited by vincentfam - 12/11/13 at 8:26pm
post #1450 of 1471
Maximum Sharpness Setting (?):

Greetings Colleagues,

I was reviewing sharpness calibration techniques and may have found a great way to calibrate sharpness. While the edge enhancement is turned on (using the DVE 720p sharpness pattern), from a viewing position without "squinting", I raised the sharpness setting from zero to a level where artifacts (ringing) are clearly or obviously appearing and lower the setting one notch. This may appear to be same technique as previously described, but the difference is (1) calibrating while the edge enhancement is turned on, and (2) setting the sharpness from a viewing position to where the artifacts (ringing) are clearly or obviously visible. Squinting, sitting too close to the hdtv, or trying to detect the smallest amount of artifacts (ringing) may defeat the purpose of trying to obtain the proper balance of sharpness with the less amount of impact from artifacts (ringing).

I used this technique on recent calibrations to where it raised the sharpness setting in the standard mode (hdmi) from 1 to 7, and movie mode (hdmi) from 2 to 8, and the picture looks great. Edit: these values were also confirmed for the standard and movie modes for the component input. See updated post # 1446.

Your colleague in picture quality,

Vincentfam
Edited by vincentfam - 12/20/13 at 4:50pm
post #1451 of 1471
Updated Review:

Greetings Colleagues,

I previously changed the model number in the service menu from B450 to B590 before making the recent calibration settings in post # 1446. B590 is the model number for a 58" Samsung plasma. I recently changed the service menu model number back to B450, and reentered the settings in post # 1446 and noticed a slightly improved picture quality. Perhaps the B590 internal software is not the best for this tv.

What I am going to do soon is to recalibrate all settings with the B450 in the service menu. I do not anticipate much of a change @ this time. Also, I am going to look at using "warm1" instead of warm2 for movie modes, and normal instead of cool for standard modes. Samsung's default values use warm1 for the movie modes.

If you have changed the model number in the service menu and are thinking about changing it back to its original model number, remember to be careful about going into the service menu as it may damage your tv. Also, going into your service menu will change your user menu settings back to default values. You may want to write down all (component, hdmi, etc.) settings before entering the service menu.

IMHO,

(Also, has anybody tried 3D with this tv?)

Vincentfam
post #1452 of 1471
Quote:
Originally Posted by vincentfam View Post

Updated Review:

Greetings Colleagues,

I previously changed the model number in the service menu from B450 to B590 before making the recent calibration settings in post # 1446. B590 is the model number for a 58" Samsung plasma. I recently changed the service menu model number back to B450, and reentered the settings in post # 1446 and noticed a slightly improved picture quality. Perhaps the B590 internal software is not the best for this tv.

What I am going to do soon is to recalibrate all settings with the B450 in the service menu. I do not anticipate much of a change @ this time. Also, I am going to look at using "warm1" instead of warm2 for movie modes, and normal instead of cool for standard modes. Samsung's default values use warm1 for the movie modes.

If you have changed the model number in the service menu and are thinking about changing it back to its original model number, remember to be careful about going into the service menu as it may damage your tv. Also, going into your service menu will change your user menu settings back to default values. You may want to write down all (component, hdmi, etc.) settings before entering the service menu.

IMHO,

(Also, has anybody tried 3D with this tv?)

Vincentfam
When you mention "calibrate" are you using an accurate color meter to set up your greyscale, contrast, color/tint, and CMS? If you are not then I would not tout the word calibrate at all. This is just personal preference and you do not care about an accurate image based on defined standards. Ex; white point 313x 329y.
post #1453 of 1471
Hungro,

We had this conversation already. Enough said. This is not the "calibration display" section of this forum. This is the plasma section. If you want to critique "calibration", please go to that section.
post #1454 of 1471
The Complete Settings, with B450 In Service Menu,

Greetings Colleagues,

IMHO

Brightness settings in this posting appear to have black crush and will be readjusted later.

Herein are the complete settings after I changed the model number in the service menu from B590 to the original B450, with other significant changes highlighted:

Edited:

“The Component Settings”
Component 1 Input
Recommended for OTA and Cable Box viewing

Standard Component
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 91
brightness 45
sharpness 1 (regular technique) 6 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 50
tint 48/52
Gamma 0
native color space
offsets Red 11 Green 17 Blue 21
Gain Red 12 Green 7 Blue 6
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie Component
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9
cell light 8
contrast 91
brightness 45
sharpness 2 (regular technique) 8 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 48
tint 50/50
Gamma +2
auto color space
offsets Red 18 Green 27 Blue 32
Gain Red 34 Green 23 Blue 7
Edge Enhancement On, others off.




“The HDMI Settings”
HDMI 1 Input
Recommended for Blu Ray viewing.

Standard HDMI
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 90
brightness 45
sharpness 1 (regular technique) 5 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 50
tint 49/51
Gamma -1
native color space
offsets Red 11 Green 22 Blue 30
Gain Red 20 Green 13 Blue 9
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie HDMI
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 90
brightness 44
sharpness 2 (regular technique) 5 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 49
tint 52/48
Gamma +2
auto color space
offsets Red 19 Green 26 Blue 28
Gain Red 37 Green 25 Blue 8
Edge Enhancement On, others off.

You may experience some brightness pops.

Your colleague in picture quality,

Vincentfam
Edited by vincentfam - 1/5/14 at 9:21pm
post #1455 of 1471
Brightness Settings To Be Readjusted:

Greetings Colleagues,

While snowed in, I noticed the tv's picture may be crushing black scenes a little. So I read up on the use of DVE's brightness pattern again and that disk recommended setting brightness to where the 4% below black bar barely disappears, instead of the 2% above black bar barely appearing. This is consistent with recommendations in this forum for use of the AVS Forum 709 brightness pattern. There was some discussion in the DVE disk on what to do with the 2% bar in case where your tv was technically inaccurate, but I believe that this is not the case with this thread's tv. All settings will be readjusted using this brightness technique.

Vincentfam
post #1456 of 1471
Readjusted Settings [B450 in Service Menu], Using Pluge With Brightness @ -4% Bar Invisible:

Greetings Colleagues,

Herein are the readjusted Settings using the -4% bar technique to avoid crushing blacks. There are substantial changes to brightness settings and some gamma settings. Sharpness settings are consistent with recent recommendations by respected forum members. Apologies for previous settings.

“The Component Settings”
Component 1 Input
Recommended for OTA and Cable Box viewing

Standard Component
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 8
contrast 90
brightness 50
sharpness 6 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 51
tint 49/51
Gamma -1
native color space
offsets Red 4 Green 14 Blue 18
Gain Red 13 Green 6 Blue 6
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie Component
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9
cell light 8
contrast 88
brightness 50
sharpness 8 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 48
tint 50/50
Gamma +1
auto color space
offsets Red 32 Green 27 Blue 30
Gain Red 32 Green 23 Blue 6
Edge Enhancement On, others off.




“The HDMI Settings”
HDMI 1 Input
Recommended for Blu Ray viewing.

Standard HDMI
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 88
brightness 51
sharpness 5 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 50
tint 49/51
Gamma -2
native color space
offsets Red 11 Green 24 Blue 36
Gain Red 22 Green 14 Blue 11
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie HDMI
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9
cell light 10
contrast 90
brightness 49
sharpness 5 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 49
tint 52/48
Gamma +1
auto color space
offsets Red 23 Green 26 Blue 36
Gain Red 37 Green 25 Blue 8
Edge Enhancement On, others off.

Your colleague in picture quality,

Vincentfam
post #1457 of 1471
Brief Discussion Regarding Brightness Settings & Three Methods:

Greetings Colleagues,

IMHO

There are some discussions about brightness settings that are similar and some that are different. What I have done recently is to review those discussions to see if I can ascertain some level of certainty.

Method # 1:
AVS Forum HD 709 Disk, Black Clipping Pattern: This is the pattern that forum members recommend that brightness should be set to where level 16 is black, and levels 17 and above should be flashing. It is described as a low APL pattern. This appears to be where some members are adamant that the absolute correct setting for any and all brightness settings should be where level 17 is flashing, without exception. However, other members may disagree.

Method # 2:
AVS Forum HD 709 Disk, APL Clipping Pattern:
This pattern is the 2nd pattern that comes after the Black Clipping Pattern, and is described as an APL for use in a "typical viewing environment." The member creating this disk recommends the use of this pattern over the Black Clipping Pattern if there are any differences. The member also recommends setting the brightness level to where level 19 is "barely flashing" in a typical viewing environment. This appears to be where you get the disagreements between the forum members on whether level 17 or 19 should be flashing.

Method # 3:
DVE HD Pluge Pattern:
This pattern shows bars of 4% above black, 2% above black, and 4% below black, and is designed for brightness to be set only where 4% below black just disappears. Some members, like me, without knowing how this pattern was designed, would set brightness to where the 2% bar is barely visible, which apparently leads to crushed blacks and therefore incorrect (as I found out recently). Setting brightness with this pattern where 4% below black bar just disappears results in level 18 and above flashing on the Black Clipping Pattern.

My preferred method is to use Method # 2 for typical viewing environment, and appears to add depth to the picture without the black crushing effect. Therefore, tonight, the settings in post # 1456 will be readjusted and posted. (My thread in this forum: Some DIY Techniques In Calibrating Plasma HDTV - has also been edited to reflect the above)

Vincentfam
Edited by vincentfam - 1/11/14 at 6:12am
post #1458 of 1471
Adjusted Settings [B450 in Service Menu], Using AVS Forum HD 709 APL Clipping Pattern [Method # 2]:

Greetings Colleagues,

Herein are the readjusted Settings using the AVS Forum HD 709 APL Clipping Pattern to avoid crushing blacks. Picture should improve slightly. Typical viewing environment is low lighting.

“The Component Settings”
Component 1 Input
Recommended for OTA and Cable Box viewing

Standard Component
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 91
brightness 48
sharpness 6 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 51
tint 49/51
Gamma -1
native color space
offsets Red 7 Green 14 Blue 22
Gain Red 13 Green 9 Blue 6
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie Component
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9
cell light 8
contrast 88
brightness 49
sharpness 8 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 48
tint 50/50
Gamma +1
auto color space
offsets Red 33 Green 27 Blue 27
Gain Red 31 Green 23 Blue 5
Edge Enhancement On, others off.




“The HDMI Settings”
HDMI 1 Input
Recommended for Blu Ray viewing.

Standard HDMI
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 88
brightness 50
sharpness 5 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 50
tint 49/51
Gamma -2
native color space
offsets Red 20 Green 24 Blue 34
Gain Red 17 Green 14 Blue 10
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie HDMI
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9
cell light 10
contrast 90
brightness 48
sharpness 5 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 49
tint 52/48
Gamma +1
auto color space
offsets Red 24 Green 26 Blue 36
Gain Red 36 Green 25 Blue 7
Edge Enhancement On, others off.

Your colleague in picture quality,

Vincentfam
post #1459 of 1471
More Adjusted Settings [B450 in Service Menu], Using AVS Forum HD 709 APL Clipping Pattern [Method # 2 With Bar 20 Flashing]:

Greetings Colleagues,

Herein are more readjusted Settings using the AVS Forum HD 709 APL Clipping Pattern to avoid crushing blacks. These settings involve brightness levels adjusted using the APL Clipping Pattern with Bar 20 & above flashing, as recommended by some forum members. There are little changes from those posted in post # 1458 to standard mode settings, but significant changes to the movie mode settings. Also included are RGB graph, temperature graph, and gamma graph for the component movie mode to let you see the technical part of calibrations. The RGB graph is just about perfect.

MovieRGB20.jpg 102k .jpg file
MovieTemp.jpg 82k .jpg file
MovieGamma20.jpg 100k .jpg file


“The Component Settings”

Component 1 Input
Recommended for OTA and Cable Box viewing

Standard Component
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 92
brightness 47
sharpness 8 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 49
tint 52/48
Gamma -1
native color space
offsets Red 7 Green 14 Blue 22
Gain Red 13 Green 9 Blue 6
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie Component
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 91
brightness 48
sharpness 8 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 49
tint 53/47
Gamma +1
auto color space
offsets Red 28 Green 27 Blue 29
Gain Red 34 Green 23 Blue 5
Edge Enhancement On, others off.




“The HDMI Settings”
HDMI 1 Input
Recommended for Blu Ray viewing.

Standard HDMI
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 89
brightness 49
sharpness 5 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 49
tint 54/46
Gamma -2
native color space
offsets Red 20 Green 24 Blue 34
Gain Red 17 Green 14 Blue 10
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Movie HDMI
D65

Movie mode
color tone WARM1
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 90
brightness 47
sharpness 5 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 49
tint 52/48
Gamma +1
auto color space
offsets Red 32 Green 26 Blue 35
Gain Red 36 Green 25 Blue 8
Edge Enhancement On, others off.

Your colleague in picture quality,

Vincentfam
Edited by vincentfam - 2/14/14 at 2:06pm
post #1460 of 1471
Adjusted Standard Mode Settings With AUTO Color Space [B450 in Service Menu], Using AVS Forum HD 709 APL Clipping Pattern [Method # 2 With Bar 20 Flashing]:

Greetings Colleagues,

Herein are adjusted Standard Mode Settings with Auto color space setting for hdmi and component inputs. The standard mode settings with native color space were too saturated for me. Movie mode settings were not readjusted because they are based on using auto color space setting.

Tweaked

“The Component Settings”
Component 1 Input
Recommended for OTA and Cable Box viewing

Standard Component
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 91
brightness 47
sharpness 8 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 49
tint 52/48
Gamma -1
auto color space
offsets Red 6 Green 17 Blue 25
Gain Red 16 Green 9 Blue 7
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


“The HDMI Settings”
HDMI 1 Input
Recommended for Blu Ray viewing.

Standard HDMI
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 84
brightness 49
sharpness 5 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 49
tint 54/46
Gamma -2
auto color space
offsets Red 18 Green 29 Blue 37
Gain Red 20 Green 12 Blue 9
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Your colleague in picture quality,

Vincentfam
Edited by vincentfam - 2/14/14 at 2:03pm
post #1461 of 1471
Settings in Post #1460 Tweaked

Greetings Colleagues,

Previous settings in post #1460 tweaked to improve color and level off gamma. Also sharpness was readjusted due to my error in "squinting." Never, never, never calibrate while tired.

Retweaked February 14, 2014.

Your colleague in picture quality,

Vincentfam
Edited by vincentfam - 2/14/14 at 2:08pm
post #1462 of 1471
Standard Mode Settings @ Gamma Level 2.0 Will Be Posted Shortly:

Greetings Colleagues,

I have discovered that a seasoned and well respected calibrator uses gamma 2.4 for movie mode (night time viewing) and gamma 2.0 for standard mode (day time viewing). The gamma 2.0, per forum discussion, will allow better detail in black images and provide an overall lighter picture. (I am not going to recalibrate movie modes to 2.4 because I believe that that is too dark for my viewing environment).

I will submit these new settings either tonight or tomorrow.

Your colleague in picture quality,

Vincentfam
post #1463 of 1471
Adjusted Standard Mode Settings With Gamma Level @ 1.9 - 2.0:
Greetings Colleagues,

Herein are adjusted Standard Mode Settings with gamma level between 1.9 and 2.0, as used by a known and respected calibrator. Major changes to gains and offsets to level gamma curves, with some changes to brightness, contrast, and gamma settings. The picture may not be as vibrant as gamma @ 2.2, but shows some improvement in black images. Gamma levels between 1.9 and 2.0 may not be appropriate for this Samsung hdtv. Brightness technique used was AVS Forum HD 709 APL Clipping Pattern Method # 2 With Bar 20 Flashing. Later on I might readjust brightness using the black clipping pattern with bar 17 flashing.

May have brightness pops with component settings.
Edit: Brightness setting for Standard Mode for Component Input has been adjusted to avoid brightness pops.

"The Component Settings”
Component 1 Input
Recommended for OTA and Cable Box viewing

Standard Component
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 83
brightness 47
sharpness 8 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 49
tint 52/48
Gamma +1
auto color space
offsets Red 13 Green 20 Blue 31
Gain Red 20 Green 13 Blue 10

Edge Enhancement On, others off.


“The HDMI Settings”
HDMI 1 Input
Recommended for Blu Ray viewing.

Standard HDMI
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 9
contrast 82
brightness 47
sharpness 5 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 49
tint 54/46
Gamma +1
auto color space
offsets Red 19 Green 25 Blue 36
Gain Red 19 Green 12 Blue 10
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


Your colleague in picture quality,

Vincentfam
Edited by vincentfam - 3/9/14 at 6:38am
post #1464 of 1471
Color/Tint Settings Readjusted with DVE Color Patterns:

Greetings Colleagues,

Color and tint settings for all inputs have been readjusted using DVE color patterns instead of the AVS Forum 709 color pattern. Blue filter used is from the DVE disk. Settings using DVE patterns were pretty consistent with ones using AVS Forum disk, with few minor changes. Later on, I will probably try to use apl patterns to adjust colors using 21% red method.

Component Input

Standard Mode
Color 49
Tint 52/48

Movie Mode
Color 50
Tint 53/47

HDMI Input

Standard Mode
Color 49
Tint 52/48

Movie Mode
Color 50
Tint 54/46

Vincentfam
post #1465 of 1471
Observation Re: Color Calibration with Small APL Windows & 21% Red Method:

Greetings Colleagues,

I have tested the use of the 1% small apl luminance/saturation windows from the GCD disk and found that these measurements were very close if not identical to those from using the blue filter method. I used the colormunki colorimeter and the hcfr software, primarily its selected color target and of course luminance measurements. Larger window measurements may have been affected by abl.

Also, please note on post # 1463, brightness and rgb gains and offsets for component's standard mode were changed to avoid brightness pops. It appears that 47 is about the lowest setting for standard modes in hdmi and component inputs. Anything lower appears to result in pops.

Your colleague in picture quality,

Vincentfam
post #1466 of 1471
Re-Adjusted Standard Mode Settings With Gamma Level @ 1.9 - 2.0, Using DVE Color Patterns:

Greetings Colleagues,

Herein are readjusted Standard Mode Settings with gamma level between 1.9 and 2.0, also using the DVE color patterns with blue filter. Settings were readjusted to level out the gamma curves more. Major changes are in bold.

"The Component Settings”
Component 1 Input
Recommended for OTA and Cable Box viewing

Standard Component
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 10
contrast 83
brightness 47
sharpness 8 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 49
tint 52/48
Gamma +1
auto color space
offsets Red 15 Green 25 Blue 40
Gain Red 20 Green 13 Blue 9
Edge Enhancement On, others off.


“The HDMI Settings”
HDMI 1 Input
Recommended for Blu Ray viewing.

Standard HDMI
8000K Color Temperature

Standard mode
color tone NORMAL
Picture size 16:9
cell light 10
contrast 83
brightness 47
sharpness 5 Maximum Sharpness Technique
color 49
tint 52/48
Gamma +1
auto color space
offsets Red 14 Green 25 Blue 42
Gain Red 18 Green 11 Blue 9
Edge Enhancement On, others off.

This is it for a while, unless I see a new calibration technique.

Your colleague in picture quality,

Vincentfam
post #1467 of 1471
Updated my settings last night vincent. Must say, these new settings really made the picture look better. Thanks for your continued tweaking and posting. smile.gif
post #1468 of 1471
LDouglasLJr,

My most recent updates were due to my discovery of forum discussion about a well respected calibrator named Kevin Miller who, as it was said, could make a bottom level tv look better than a top line model. One of my researches revealed that a forum member said that Miller would calibrate the day time mode to a gamma level of 2.0 instead of 2.2. That's why the most recent settings were for gamma level of 2.0 for our standard modes.

However, using standard 10% windows did not make it easy to get a level gamma of 2.0. It took a lot of trial and error to see what works and doesn't work. To my surprise, the settings for hdmi and component were very consistent, and when I changed the cell setting from 9 to 10 everything started to level out from there. It took a while.

Also, I started using the DVE color patterns just in case the DVE blue filter was not compatible with the patterns on the AVS Forum 709 disk. After a few minutes of checking the colors, I repeatedly had to walk away to rest my eyes. But everything was pretty much rechecked for consistency. DVE's color patterns are not easy to work with.

I will probably not update theses settings any time soon, unless I find another technique to use.

Your colleague in picture quality,

Vincentfam
post #1469 of 1471
Note: Picture Size "screenfit" for the most recent settings may make the picture quality appear better, for unobvious reasons.
post #1470 of 1471
The Upcoming Curved Gamma 2.4 Movie Mode Settings for HDMI & Component Inputs:

Greetings Colleagues,

I have been reviewing recent discussions about the use of Gamma 2.4 for movie modes, and these discussions revealed that the picture may "pop" more if Gamma is adjusted to 2.4 between 30 ire and 100 ire, but down to 2.2 @ 0 ire (assuming that the HDTV does not have a perfect black level, which our tv may not have).

Preliminary calibration attempts for hdmi input, using the AVS Forum HD 709 APL Clipping Pattern Method # 2 With Bar 20 Flashing, results in a gamma of 2.3 near 0 ire for dim lighting viewing environment. I may try to adjust it down further using other techniques to see what the picture looks like in a dark viewing environment. The picture, however, does appear to have some additional pop.

I have tried to use the gamma 2.4 before, but that was when using a color tone of warm2. With these upcoming settings for hdmi and component inputs, I will be using the warm1 color tone (default setting for movie mode) which should brighten the picture a little.

New settings will be posted within the next two days.

Vincentfam
(soon to be dormant)
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