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post #421 of 1402
I'm happy with mine Abe, hell I was happy with the A series also, just didn't like my whites looking pink. I wish I could combine them A series menu with B series E panel
post #422 of 1402
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Originally Posted by kanpol View Post

Abe I happen to like my screen more towards the darkside but what I would advise is use that as your starting point and make it to your liking. On that thread I linked to you, use smeg36's settings his were the best. Now using the ps3 if you set your rgb to "full" then set your hdmi black level on your tv to normal. that will make it brighter

If the hdmi black level and rgb settings don't match you'll just get a washed out picture. That's not good.
post #423 of 1402
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Originally Posted by kanpol View Post

I'm happy with mine Abe, hell I was happy with the A series also, just didn't like my whites looking pink. I wish I could combine them A series menu with B series E panel

You have the 42 again? Any reason why you didn't go to 50?
post #424 of 1402
I checked out the Samsung 42" B450 today, but damn it was in Wallmart on some crappy feed...They were playing one of the Harry potter movies which looked to be on regular DVD...but i never bothered messing with the controls. the lighting conditions were out of whack, so i couldn't judge the Blacks...while they're not great, they are good....But for all i know, Wall mart was probably using composite cables and their HDTVs were all on the same feed and they didn't even mess with the PQ Settings....All of the displays looked flat, but again...You need to have proper lighting conditionts, and set up to a Bluray Player using HDMI and adjust the PQ Settings plain and simple....i shall at futureshop muhaha Also the Red Strip on the HDTV was barely noticable at all, thank god. This Display if I chose to get it will be mainly for the Wii and Bluray/DVD's....And maybe PS3 once in a while.

So anyways, would Wii games set on 480p/16:9 using component cables offers a sharper/more clearer picture than what i'm currently using?...Which is a Sony 32" Wega flatscreen SDTV using component cables, set on 480i/4:3: I mean I think the PQ on my set looks fantastic, but to have Progressive scan and 16:9 would be even better obviously...And to have a beautiful Black Flat Panel display...Yep, my CRT is silver and I'm not a huge fan. Anyways, I'd also be sitting Around 9 Feet away from the 42" 720p Plasma. That aside, I always hear people saying the Wii does look sharper/clearer on a solid 720p set with a great scaler, but everything looks jageddy depending on the title(Zelda TP comes to mind) But there are always mixed answers...Somebody set this straight!

personally I'd rather have razor sharp graphics than Blurry, but that's a no brainer
post #425 of 1402
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

I checked out the Samsung 42" B450 today, but damn it was in Wallmart on some crappy feed...They were playing one of the Harry potter movies which looked to be on regular DVD...but i never bothered messing with the controls. the lighting conditions were out of whack, so i couldn't judge the Blacks...while they're not great, they are good....But for all i know, Wall mart was probably using composite cables and their HDTVs were all on the same feed and they didn't even mess with the PQ Settings....All of the displays looked flat, but again...You need to have proper lighting conditionts, and set up to a Bluray Player using HDMI and adjust the PQ Settings plain and simple....i shall at futureshop muhaha Also the Red Strip on the HDTV was barely noticable at all, thank god. This Display if I chose to get it will be mainly for the Wii and Bluray/DVD's....And maybe PS3 once in a while.

So anyways, would Wii games set on 480p/16:9 using component cables offers a sharper/more clearer picture than what i'm currently using?...Which is a Sony 32" Wega flatscreen SDTV using component cables, set on 480i/4:3: I mean I think the PQ on my set looks fantastic, but to have Progressive scan and 16:9 would be even better obviously...And to have a beautiful Black Flat Panel display...Yep, my CRT is silver and I'm not a huge fan. Anyways, I'd also be sitting Around 9 Feet away from the 42" 720p Plasma. That aside, I always hear people saying the Wii does look sharper/clearer on a solid 720p set with a great scaler, but everything looks jageddy depending on the title(Zelda TP comes to mind) But there are always mixed answers...Somebody set this straight!

personally I'd rather have razor sharp graphics than Blurry, but that's a no brainer

I dunno about wii clarity (I have one that I never use, lol) but just to note from personal preference; 9ft for 42inches is way, way to far away. I'm at about 7ft right now and I'd even like to go a little closer. It was foolish of me not to go bigger for a little more.

The b450's have a lot of bang for the buck though. The picture once calibrated (even out of box) is great.
post #426 of 1402
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Originally Posted by dallows View Post

I dunno about wii clarity (I have one that I never use, lol) but just to note from personal preference; 9ft for 42inches is way, way to far away. I'm at about 7ft right now and I'd even like to go a little closer. It was foolish of me not to go bigger for a little more.

The b450's have a lot of bang for the buck though. The picture once calibrated (even out of box) is great.


The thing is though, is that the set is '1024'x768...So it's like a lower Res version of 720p, but with Rectangular pixels correct?...9 Feet would probably be perfect for 480p Wii games, and you want to be at a good distance with the Wii remote. Yet if this were a 1080p set, i'd definitly sit alittle closer, but that's not the case....BUT the question is, would there be a difference resolution wise when sitting 9 feet away from a '1366'x768 Display? I'm guessing not, again when at 9 feet. But again, this set is basically for Wii, Bluray and DVD....and maybe some PS3(which i barely play) What can i say, when motion controls done right they're amazing, nintendo's Exclusives and VC ect ect, i love Nintendo and the Wii....If the PS3 had motion controls for some of its games, Dead Space is a perfect example i'd be all over it. But for me, dual analog is now boring, archiac, dull, clunky and not fun anymore.

Anyways, I'm always comparing this to the Panasonic PZ85u Plasma from 08...
It seems the B450 has the upper hand in motion since it's 600hz, not to mention 'Samsung' color which apperantly is more accurate and overall more vibrant/colorful if i'm right....Black Levels are really the only concern and of course the green trailing. The Black levels to me at Wall Mart seemed good but not great, but again like i mentioned....it was in a horrible setting with bright lights, crappy feed, crappy PQ settings probably, definitly no HDMI and maybe no component ect ect. FutureShops setting is darker, so i'll definitly check it out there today or tomorrrow. Hopeffully Wii games looks more clear/sharper on it than my CRT which looks fantastic anywyas, but again i'd love to have progressivescan and Widescreen.
post #427 of 1402
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

The thing is though, is that the set is '1024'x768...So it's like a lower Res version of 720p, but with Rectangular pixels correct?...9 Feet would probably be perfect for 480p Wii games, and you want to be at a good distance with the Wii remote. Yet if this were a 1080p set, i'd definitly sit alittle closer, but that's not the case....BUT the question is, would there be a difference resolution wise when sitting 9 feet away from a '1366'x768 Display? I'm guessing not, again when at 9 feet. But again, this set is basically for Wii, Bluray and DVD....and maybe some PS3(which i barely play) What can i say, when motion controls done right they're amazing, nintendo's Exclusives and VC ect ect, i love Nintendo and the Wii....If the PS3 had motion controls for some of its games, Dead Space is a perfect example i'd be all over it. But for me, dual analog is now boring, archiac, dull, clunky and not fun anymore.

Anyways, I'm always comparing this to the Panasonic PZ85u Plasma from 08...
It seems the B450 has the upper hand in motion since it's 600hz, not to mention 'Samsung' color which apperantly is more accurate and overall more vibrant/colorful if i'm right....Black Levels are really the only concern and of course the green trailing. The Black levels to me at Wall Mart seemed good but not great, but again like i mentioned....it was in a horrible setting with bright lights, crappy feed, crappy PQ settings probably, definitly no HDMI and maybe no component ect ect. FutureShops setting is darker, so i'll definitly check it out there today or tomorrrow. Hopeffully Wii games looks more clear/sharper on it than my CRT which looks fantastic anywyas, but again i'd love to have progressivescan and Widescreen.

Yes you'd want a little space to actually play the wii (push the couch back?) but all I'm saying is in my opinion viewing at 42 inch tv at 9 feet is just too far. The tv seems small and you don't get the full benefit when you actually watch a blu-ray movie. I couldn't focus on the display because I was seeing **** on the sides of it.

All I'm saying. To each his own.
post #428 of 1402
Quick question. My WD HD TV MEDIA PLAYER has Optical as well as HDMI. I dont think Optical is useful unless there is surround sound, But do you think I'd notice a difference if I ran optical for the audio straight to the tv?

The tv in the bedroom doesn't have surround.
post #429 of 1402
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Originally Posted by Lilc3 View Post

Quick question. My WD HD TV MEDIA PLAYER has Optical as well as HDMI. I dont think Optical is useful unless there is surround sound, But do you think I'd notice a difference if I ran optical for the audio straight to the tv?

The tv in the bedroom doesn't have surround.

I'm no audio guru but I'd say you wouldn't notice a difference. Other than running another wire and having to futz with the settings.
post #430 of 1402
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Originally Posted by dallows View Post

Yes you'd want a little space to actually play the wii (push the couch back?) but all I'm saying is in my opinion viewing at 42 inch tv at 9 feet is just too far. The tv seems small and you don't get the full benefit when you actually watch a blu-ray movie. I couldn't focus on the display because I was seeing **** on the sides of it.

All I'm saying. To each his own.

Again for the Wii it's perfect, for HD content closer is better depending, but ya to each their own...but since it's 1024x768, there's going to be scaling involved and the closer you get at a certain point it wont look too hot. If it were 1080p, i'd be sitting 7 feet away...actually, i wouldn't even go 1080p at 42"....If i get the B450 i'm only keeping it for 2 years and upgrading to a 50" 1080p 3D Capable set for when the Wii2 and PS4 hit.
So the B450 is just a temporary set hehe.

And i was wondering are the black levels better than last years Panasonic 85u plasma? Or better yet, have the black levels changed from last years Samsung 'A'450 42" Plasma.
post #431 of 1402
Has anyone tried changing the service menu to a model that allows playback of video files from the usb drive?
post #432 of 1402
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Originally Posted by Monktrump View Post

Has anyone tried changing the service menu to a model that allows playback of video files from the usb drive?

Nevermind, the 50B450 doesn't even have a USB input. LoL
post #433 of 1402
nice, the 42B450 is on sale for $799 CAD.
The Wii better look good on it, or it's a no go, to FutureShop I go
post #434 of 1402
Monktrump we do have a usb input, on the back, it say service, it for firmware upgrades but it will also work as regular usb. I went through the different model options in the service menu and 590 was the highest it let me go. so no usb video option just jpeg and mp3.
post #435 of 1402
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Originally Posted by ABEMCDONALD View Post

You have the 42 again? Any reason why you didn't go to 50?

I got mine day after black friday last year at frys, they had it for $650 which was exceptionly low at the time, the 50 was $1000 so I couldnt really afford it. I had a 37in lcd i was giving to the kid so we were going up 5in anyways. Honestly I really wish I could've got the 50". From where we sit 42 is good but 50 would be greatI see from other thread you are undecided on what model to get. if I had a spending limit of say 1300 to 1400 I would get the 50b650 when it goes on sale, I think that is best one out there for price but thats just my opinion
post #436 of 1402
If I could go back and do it again I would've definitely gone at least 50. 42 is just too small for me. It's a great step up from my old crt, but in retrospect it's hitting me with a lot of buyer's remorse.
post #437 of 1402
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Originally Posted by dallows View Post

If I could go back and do it again I would've definitely gone at least 50. 42 is just too small for me. It's a great step up from my old crt, but in retrospect it's hitting me with a lot of buyer's remorse.

50" would definitly and obviously be better for Bluray. For me on the otherhand, 40"-42" 16:9 is the perfect size for Wii games....If the Wii were HD, I'd definitly go with a 50"
post #438 of 1402
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Originally Posted by kanpol View Post

I got mine day after black friday last year at frys, they had it for $650 which was exceptionly low at the time, the 50 was $1000 so I couldnt really afford it. I had a 37in lcd i was giving to the kid so we were going up 5in anyways. Honestly I really wish I could've got the 50". From where we sit 42 is good but 50 would be greatI see from other thread you are undecided on what model to get. if I had a spending limit of say 1300 to 1400 I would get the 50b650 when it goes on sale, I think that is best one out there for price but thats just my opinion

The day after black Friday and it was still on sale? WHOWZER!

I have asked numerous times what the difference is between certain Samsung models, and never seem to get an answer

I'm always looking for the 50" and 1080 sets, but see that BB carries like three types ?????
post #439 of 1402
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

50" would definitly and obviously be better for Bluray. For me on the otherhand, 40"-42" 16:9 is the perfect size for Wii games....If the Wii were HD, I'd definitly go with a 50"

Well we were trying to spend as little as possible for a good starting set. But sometimes you just need to spend the extra.
post #440 of 1402
Hi everybody, total newbie here. I just bought a 42B450 (my first hdtv) 2 days ago and am still playing with the settings. I really wanted the 50" but they were out of stock (and it wouldn't fit in my car anyway). I am sitting about 8'-9' away and it seems plenty large enough at the time. I have all of the settings at 50% or below initially, as that is what I understand is needed for the first 100 hours or so. I have not bought a calibration disk and don't plan to at the moment.

I had read as much as I could about burn-in and IR on plasma displays and thought that I could live with it, but I was shocked to read in the manual that Samsung recommends limiting viewing of material that doesn't completely fill the screen to under 5% of the total viewing time. 5%! I watch primarily older film noir movies (with many very dark scenes) so I wanted the better black levels that only a plasma can provide, but I am NOT going to stretch them to fit the screen. I am finding that even a very large amount of programming from the local (and cable) hd stations is still in 4:3 format, so how is it possible to meet the 5% rule as stated by Samsung? Needless to say I am getting a little worried that I may have made a poor decision.
post #441 of 1402
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Originally Posted by danny_w View Post

Hi everybody, total newbie here. I just bought a 42B450 (my first hdtv) 2 days ago and am still playing with the settings. I really wanted the 50" but they were out of stock (and it wouldn't fit in my car anyway). I am sitting about 8'-9' away and it seems plenty large enough at the time. I have all of the settings at 50% or below initially, as that is what I understand is needed for the first 100 hours or so. I have not bought a calibration disk and don't plan to at the moment.

I had read as much as I could about burn-in and IR on plasma displays and thought that I could live with it, but I was shocked to read in the manual that Samsung recommends limiting viewing of material that doesn't completely fill the screen to under 5% of the total viewing time. 5%! I watch primarily older film noir movies (with many very dark scenes) so I wanted the better black levels that only a plasma can provide, but I am NOT going to stretch them to fit the screen. I am finding that even a very large amount of programming from the local (and cable) hd stations is still in 4:3 format, so how is it possible to meet the 5% rule as stated by Samsung? Needless to say I am getting a little worried that I may have made a poor decision.

No worries mate. I watch a lot of HD cable channels that still have the black bars on the sides. It also recommends not to do that much gaming in the beginning and I threw that right out the window as well. I have never had any problems with burn-in or anything else for that matter.
post #442 of 1402
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Originally Posted by Lilc3 View Post

No worries mate. I watch a lot of HD cable channels that still have the black bars on the sides. It also recommends not to do that much gaming in the beginning and I threw that right out the window as well. I have never had any problems with burn-in or anything else for that matter.

Do you see any Green Trailing when gaming? it seemed to plague last years Panasonic Plasmas. And I could care less about doing that 100 Hour Break in thing by keeping everything at 50 or below. If i get this set, i'm setting it up how i want and using it how i want.
post #443 of 1402
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Originally Posted by WaveBoy View Post

Do you see any Green Trailing when gaming? it seemed to plague last years Panasonic Plasmas. And I could care less about doing that 100 Hour Break in thing by keeping everything at 50 or below. If i get this set, i'm setting it up how i want and using it how i want.

I can honestly say, I use my tv how I want. If something happens to it, I have a warranty to cover it. This is why I love Best Buy. Any and everything is covered.

I have had both Panasonic and Samsung 42" plasma models and have never had a problem. I will say the Samsung looks much nicer when personally calibrated. Thanks to the INGENIOUS help from the guys/gals on AVSFORUM.
post #444 of 1402
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Originally Posted by Lilc3 View Post

I can honestly say, I use my tv how I want. If something happens to it, I have a warranty to cover it. This is why I love Best Buy. Any and everything is covered.

I have had both Panasonic and Samsung 42" plasma models and have never had a problem. I will say the Samsung looks much nicer when personally calibrated. Thanks to the INGENIOUS help from the guys/gals on AVSFORUM.

I keep thinking I'll be missing out on Resolution since the B450 is '1024'x768 as its just a weaker version of 720p...So you're basically losing how Much? 256 Pixels?...But i guess you wont beable to tell if you're sitting around 9 1/2 feet away from the screen right? And I wonder how the Colors compare to the Samsung B550....everybody keeps praising that set for its amazing color
post #445 of 1402
waveboy its actually 768p but is down scaled to 720p. For some reason they decided that 720p sounds better then 768p. Abe I know im not suposed to talk price but if you have a frys by you, go online and check there price out for the 50b450 7bills.

Alos I was at sumsungs website and there is a new firmware that came out sept. 3rd, but those idiots there forgot to put down what it is for and what it fixes.
post #446 of 1402
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Originally Posted by kanpol View Post

waveboy its actually 768p but is down scaled to 720p. For some reason they decided that 720p sounds better then 768p. Abe I know im not suposed to talk price but if you have a frys by you, go online and check there price out for the 50b450 7bills.

Alos I was at sumsungs website and there is a new firmware that came out sept. 3rd, but those idiots there forgot to put down what it is for and what it fixes.


I know that, but i was talking about 1280 being dowscaled to '1024'...Resulting in resolution loss, since it doesn't match up to 1280 or the larger sized plasmas that are 1366...But again, this probably wouldn't even be noticable at all to the eye sitting at 9 1/2 Feet away from a 42"
post #447 of 1402
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Originally Posted by Lilc3 View Post

No worries mate. I watch a lot of HD cable channels that still have the black bars on the sides. It also recommends not to do that much gaming in the beginning and I threw that right out the window as well. I have never had any problems with burn-in or anything else for that matter.

Thanks, that makes me feel much better. Unfortunately if anything does happen Samsung won't cover it so I might consider getting the Best Buy warranty (I still have about 28 days to decide).
post #448 of 1402
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Originally Posted by kanpol View Post

Abe I know im not suposed to talk price but if you have a frys by you, go online and check there price out for the 50b450 7bills.

SAMSUNG PN50B450 - I had no idea this was 720 as well Thought it was 1080?!

However, the B550 at fry's is another $1 more than what you mentioned for the 720...I think I am going to pick that up this weekend...
post #449 of 1402
Samy 42 "A 466 / Pana BD 35 (DVD / BD):

* Mode "Cinéma" Warm 1

* Cell: 8
* Contrast: 70
* Brightness : 49
* Sharpness : 7
* Colour : 44
* Tinte V/R : V50/R50

* Gamma: 0 (2.19)

* W/B :

* Red : 20
* Green : 24
* Blue : 25

* Red: 28
* Green : 25
* Blue : 25

* Space Color : Auto

* Carnation: -4
* Dynam. Cont. : Off
* EE: off

Screens DVD Pal HDMi Y Cr Cb :




post #450 of 1402
I picked up the pn42b450 for the bedroom. It's just the right size for my bedroom, any bigger and it wouldn't look good, and it wouldn't fit. I have 4ft ft of wall to play with(between the closet and doorway, so the 42 fits perfect. I have it on its stand right now, but next week I am going to wall mount this baby
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