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post #781 of 1416
1/19/10 at 3:52am
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Originally Posted by tikijojo View Post

So I tweaked the Move and Standard settings and honestly the difference b/n the two now is very small. I honestly like both modes.

Me, too. But almost all my other settings for Movie and Standard modes are different. Perhaps people trying to pick a winner between Movie and Standard are not allowing sufficiently for other adjustments that need to be made. (But my current favorite is Movie with Color Mode set to Normal.) I also tried several times to get Dynamic mode to work, but haven't been able to find good looking settings for that.

The sets differ as well as age, so we can't expect settings that work for one of us to work for all.
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post #782 of 1416
1/19/10 at 6:09am
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Originally Posted by tikijojo View Post

So I tweaked the Move and Standard settings and honestly the difference b/n the two now is very small. I honestly like both modes.

I agree, the picture looks great in both modes once you adjust to your liking. One advantage of Movie mode though is unlocking the "warm" color settings. The "warm" settings are not selectable in Standard mode. No problem if you prefer the normal color setting, but colors look more natural to me with the warm settings.
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post #783 of 1416
1/19/10 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by jkhering View Post

I agree, the picture looks great in both modes once you adjust to your liking. One advantage of Movie mode though is unlocking the "warm" color settings. The "warm" settings are not selectable in Standard mode. No problem if you prefer the normal color setting, but colors look more natural to me with the warm settings.

I have a Spears & Munsil HD calibration disc that I plan on using once the TV breaks in. I used it to calibrate my Panny 50" 800U (the one I'm getting rid of in place of the B450). I'll post my results once I'm done with it. However, something tells me that there isn't too much that needs to be done to this set.
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post #784 of 1416
1/19/10 at 11:07pm
Well guys i ended up getting the pn42b450 today and an hd box and 1TB pvr expander and i must say im loving this tv and the hd pvr glad i went with both instead of just the 50"
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post #785 of 1416
1/20/10 at 5:53pm
I also wanted to report as i saw people complaining about these problems and asking who else had them that my whites are as white as white can be i checked while running the break in dvd with a fully white screen there is no ghost rectangle in the screen to be seen anywhere either and another problem people seemed to be having i have no dead or lit pixels of any kind the tv i am happy to report is from what i can see top notch. ( i notice no flashing either)
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post #786 of 1416
1/20/10 at 5:57pm
I need some suggestions for my panel. Most of my viewing is HDTV, with some blu ray movies here and there. While watching most HD channels I can't seem to get my whites under control without dimming the picture too much. I prefer the Standard mode over Movie only b/c I think it's little clearer and sharper, my wife agrees too. Standard right out of the box (at least for my TV) had way too much of a cool/blue push. I dropped the Blue gain down to 3 and it helped the blue push. However, The whites have little to no detail are are very bright and washed out.
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post #787 of 1416
1/20/10 at 6:21pm
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Originally Posted by tikijojo View Post

I need some suggestions for my panel. Most of my viewing is HDTV, with some blu ray movies here and there. While watching most HD channels I can't seem to get my whites under control without dimming the picture too much. I prefer the Standard mode over Movie only b/c I think it's little clearer and sharper, my wife agrees too. Standard right out of the box (at least for my TV) had way too much of a cool/blue push. I dropped the Blue gain down to 3 and it helped the blue push. However, The whites have little to no detail are are very bright and washed out.

tikijojo,

How many hours do you have on your panel? Did you follow a break-in procedure? If you have not already done so, try running the break-in DVD for 250 hours. I noticed definite changes at around 50 hours and then again at around 200+ hours. At 250 hours, I applied Dan's settings and the results are fabulous. Most of my viewing is HDTV also.

This TV is so good that I now find myself complaining about "flawed source material" and grumbling about the networks...

Randy
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post #788 of 1416
1/20/10 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by rkwood View Post

tikijojo,

How many hours do you have on your panel? Did you follow a break-in procedure? If you have not already done so, try running the break-in DVD for 250 hours. I noticed definite changes at around 50 hours and then again at around 200+ hours. At 250 hours, I applied Dan's settings and the results are fabulous. Most of my viewing is HDTV also.

This TV is so good that I now find myself complaining about "flawed source material" and grumbling about the networks...

Randy

I have about 30 hours on it. Good to hear it will get better. What DVD do you suggest I use? I have a calibration DVD with some sample material on it, Spear and Munsil.

What changes did you see on your panel as the hours accrued?
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post #789 of 1416
1/20/10 at 7:25pm
At 200+ hours, the colors settled in. The unexpected change was that at around 50 hours, the picture became significantly sharper at close distances.

Another interesting thing - The panel originally had two pixels that were a little "dull" (not black, just not as bright as the rest of the screen). That issue completely disappeared after 50 hours.

I have the 50" PN50B430 from Sears that I got for $599 after discounts, promotions and rebates....

Here is a link to the Samsung Plasma TV FAQ:

(Rats, the board is not letting me post a link for you. Try a Google search)

See section 1.5 re: the Break-In DVD. I ordered mine directly from the author for $6.50 shipped.

Let us know how things progress after you run the break-in.

Randy
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post #790 of 1416
1/20/10 at 7:34pm
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Originally Posted by rkwood View Post

At 200+ hours, the colors settled in. The unexpected change was that at around 50 hours, the picture became significantly sharper at close distances.

Another interesting thing - The panel originally had two pixels that were a little "dull" (not black, just not as bright as the rest of the screen). That issue completely disappeared after 50 hours.

I have the 50" PN50B430 from Sears that I got for $599 after discounts, promotions and rebates....

Here is a link to the Samsung Plasma TV FAQ:

(Rats, the board is not letting me post a link for you. Try a Google search)

See section 1.5 re: the Break-In DVD. I ordered mine directly from the author for $6.50 shipped.

Let us know how things progress after you run the break-in.

Randy

What if I just leave the panel on overnight on HBO on HD which I know won't broadcast with a logo or side bars? Won't this work the same as a break in DVD?
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post #791 of 1416
1/21/10 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by tikijojo View Post

What if I just leave the panel on overnight on HBO on HD which I know won't broadcast with a logo or side bars? Won't this work the same as a break in DVD?

My understanding is that a proper break-in involves displaying content at the panel's native resolution and exercising all of the phosphors/pixels equally. that is why running the break-in DVD at 720p output is ideal. I'm not sure that just displaying HBO HD would suffice, since the content would not show all colors uniformly across the entire screen at 720p.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Randy
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post #792 of 1416
1/21/10 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by rkwood View Post

My understanding is that a proper break-in involves displaying content at the panel's native resolution and exercising all of the phosphors/pixels equally. that is why running the break-in DVD at 720p output is ideal. I'm not sure that just displaying HBO HD would suffice, since the content would not show all colors uniformly across the entire screen at 720p.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Randy

I'm certainly no expert on the matter (so why am I posting this?? ), but my understanding is the same... the break-in DVD exposes every pixel to exactly the same color for exactly the same amount of time, so each pixel is getting used the same.
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post #793 of 1416
1/21/10 at 12:35pm
Okay, here is the link to the AVS forum Break-In DVD thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=583089

And the author's site:

http://www.eaprogramming.com/

And the Samsung Plasma TV FAQ:

http://samsungplasmatvfaq.com/index....reak-In_DVD.3F

- Randy -
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post #794 of 1416
1/21/10 at 6:56pm
Another question, my sat feed (I live in a high rise) tends to produce a bit of video noise. Will turning the Noise Reduction feature on High hurt my image in any way or should i just leave it on auto?
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post #795 of 1416
1/24/10 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by Harri Patel View Post

When I bought this TV, and hooked up a PC to it through HDMI (whichever of the HDMI ports the instruction booklet said to use), I found that at the "recommended" screen resolution of 1024 X 768, everything is stretched out horizontally. I assumed that this is due to the rectangular pixel shape of this TV, versus on a traditional 1024 X 768 computer monitor.

If I want to look at webpages and have the photos be at the correct aspect ratio, I can use the "P.Size" button on the remote to select 4:3 mode instead of 16:9, but this puts up the vertical grey bars on the sides of the screen. If I want to watch a video file, I can either do the same thing, or run the set in 16:9 mode, and use the VLC video player's controls to select 4:3 aspect ratio for a 16:9 file, or 1:1 for a 4:3 file. This works, but it's a bit of a pain to have to do it each time I want to play a file.

In the hope of finding some way to have the computer display in full screen AND at the correct aspect ratio, I have tried both nVidia and ATi video cards and drivers. I've looked through the various settings available for these cards to try to find something that will compensate for the fact that the display's native resolution is 1024 X 768, but stretched out to 16:9, but have been unsuccessful. I concluded that this was just a limitation of this kind of TV.

However, I just recently got a PS3. I connected it via HDMI, accepted the default option that lets the PS3 select the best display setting to use, and it displays everything -- Blu-Ray movies, games, computer video and image files -- in full screen, and at the correct aspect ratio.

So now, I am again wondering if there isn't something I can do to get full screen, correct aspect ratio display from the computer. If the PS3 can figure it out, why can't the computer? Can anyone offer any suggestions?

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Originally Posted by lastxcallforsin View Post

The PS3 isn't doing anything special. The PS3 is outputting a 16:9 resolution to a 16:9 screen. That is why it looks right. It doesn't matter that the pixel count is that of a typical 3:4 aspect ratio display (1024x768) because the pixels are stretched (rectangles instead of squares) to fill the screen. You need to set your PC to output a 16:9 resolution such as 1280x720 or 1920x1080. Don't set your PC output to 1024x768. The television has a 16:9 aspect ratio regardless of it's pixel count so the image will not show up properly when the screen is filled. The TV will not map the 1024x768 (3:4) pixels to the stretched 1024x768 (16:9) pixels of the display.


Setting the PC's display at 1920X1080 results in a display which has about 1.5 inches of unused screen on the sides and just under an inch on the top and bottom. (The various on-screen icons and system text are also too small, but this can be fixed by increasing the default sizes of these things to Large or Extra Large.) Going down to 1280X720 makes the display even smaller and the unused areas larger. I can't find an option or control in the ATi Catalyst Control Center to adjust the size of the image to make it fill the screen. (I'm using a video card with the Radeon 4650 chipset.) Any thoughts on what I might do to get full-screen output?

The PS3's output does fill the entire screen, BTW.
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post #796 of 1416
1/24/10 at 11:50pm
So I picked up this TV and I was a little worried about the res but it actually looks really good. But here is my question...I'm using this tv for my bedroom mainly for games and the occasional movie. Is a 42 inch set really the largest I should have? I was thinking about getting an LG 1080p 47 inch for 200 hundred more...but I cant decide if that would be overkill and burn my eyes out lol. What do you guys think?
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post #797 of 1416
1/25/10 at 6:55am
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Originally Posted by zero_zep View Post

So I picked up this TV and I was a little worried about the res but it actually looks really good. But here is my question...I'm using this tv for my bedroom mainly for games and the occasional movie. Is a 42 inch set really the largest I should have? I was thinking about getting an LG 1080p 47 inch for 200 hundred more...but I cant decide if that would be overkill and burn my eyes out lol. What do you guys think?

What's the viewing distance in your bedroom? I have a 42" Panny in my bedroom that I view from about 8 feet away and it's perfect IMO.
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post #798 of 1416
1/25/10 at 8:50am
yeah its about 8 feet...I just dont wanna regret not spending the extra 200 if it really would look great. But I remember seeing in the store that the 50s would have been gigantic for my room and a 47 is only 3 inches smaller then that. I'm just ocd. Aren't we all? And can someone refer me to some breaking in settings? I've been looking through this thread and I've only found Dan's already broken in settings. Thanks.
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post #799 of 1416
1/26/10 at 11:06pm
I've had my TV/PS3 set to rgb limited/black level low. When I switch the video output from ybcbr to rgb on a bluray disc the colors became very mute. This also applied to video played off the hdd and games since they output in rgb. I had to change the calibration settings of my tv whenever I wanted to watch video off the hdd (rgb) or play a blu-ray disc (ybcbr). I recently switched my ps3 to rgb full and hdmi black level to normal and did the blu-ray test again. Now the image in ybcbr and rgb output appear identical. RGB full/black level normal gets me the closest to looking like the ybcbr image yet everyone is recommending rgb limited/black level low for this tv. Why is this? As far as I know the rgb setting have no effect on Blu-ray disc being output in ybcbr. I was using a blu-ray copy of LOST: Season 5 and stereomandan's settings for my test.
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post #800 of 1416
1/27/10 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by zero_zep View Post

yeah its about 8 feet...I just dont wanna regret not spending the extra 200 if it really would look great.

I'm watching a 42" from 8 feet in my bedroom, and while it's not too small, bigger would have been better. I don't know about that LG model you mentioned, but given a choice between 42" and something larger, I recommend larger.
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post #801 of 1416
1/27/10 at 11:54am
I guess I'm just afraid its gonna be too big. I'm only using it for games only and i'm being so picky cause when I tried to game on my 65 it wasnt "too big" but it would make me a little dizzy cause of all the movement. I guess the only thing thats stopping me from trying it is taking this one back and then getting the 47 and having it be too big and then taking it back lol. OCD sucks...and I think even with this tv it give me a little tiny bit of strain after about an hour of gaming bu its so little its hard to tell...I guess now that I think about it I think I sit about 6.5-7.5 feet away...
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post #802 of 1416
1/27/10 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by lastxcallforsin View Post

I've had my TV/PS3 set to rgb limited/black level low. When I switch the video output from ybcbr to rgb on a bluray disc the colors became very mute. This also applied to video played off the hdd and games since they output in rgb. I had to change the calibration settings of my tv whenever I wanted to watch video off the hdd (rgb) or play a blu-ray disc (ybcbr). I recently switched my ps3 to rgb full and hdmi black level to normal and did the blu-ray test again. Now the image in ybcbr and rgb output appear identical. RGB full/black level normal gets me the closest to looking like the ybcbr image yet everyone is recommending rgb limited/black level low for this tv. Why is this? As far as I know the rgb setting have no effect on Blu-ray disc being output in ybcbr. I was using a blu-ray copy of LOST: Season 5 and stereomandan's settings for my test.

Paragraphs would help. But let me see if I can straighten this up. From what I can tell you have the TV set to Low and the PS3 to Limited. Which is correct. But then you're talking about messing with the ybcbr (or whatever) settings. Don't do that. Keep it at auto (on the PS3, right?) or force it to that. It should be fine.

If Auto the ps3 will lock it out when you play Blu Ray because that's what it uses. Everything should use the same thing. That's how mine is set and I can tell you if I steam it or go via Blu Ray the picture is the same.
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post #803 of 1416
1/27/10 at 2:28pm
The problem is that video on the hdd is always output in rgb and can not be set to ybcrb. With rgb limited/hdmi low my blu-ray (ybcrb) settings are perfect but videos from my hdd (rgb) have very mute color compared to my calibrated ybcbr setting. I had to change the color/tint settings whenever I wanted to watch videos on my hdd. However I found that with rgb full/hdmi standard; rgb output and ybcbr output now appear identical. I no longer have to change my tv settings when playing video off the hdd and watching blu-rays.

On my set using the same settings (stereomandan's)

RGB Limited/HDMI Low = Blu-rays look great (ybcrb) Videos on hdd and games look dull (rgb)
RGB Full/HDMI Normal = Blu-rays look great (ybcrb) Videos on hdd and games look great (rgb)
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post #804 of 1416
1/27/10 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by lastxcallforsin View Post

The problem is that video on the hdd is always output in rgb and can not be set to ybcrb. With rgb limited/hdmi low my blu-ray (ybcrb) settings are perfect but videos from my hdd (rgb) have very mute color compared to my calibrated ybcbr setting. I had to change the color/tint settings whenever I wanted to watch videos on my hdd. However I found that with rgb full/hdmi standard; rgb output and ybcbr output now appear identical. I no longer have to change my tv settings when playing video off the hdd and watching blu-rays.

On my set using the same settings (stereomandan's)

RGB Limited/HDMI Low = Blu-rays look great (ybcrb) Videos on hdd and games look dull (rgb)
RGB Full/HDMI Normal = Blu-rays look great (ybcrb) Videos on hdd and games look great (rgb)

What HDD? I don't understand that part of the setup. I guess it doesn't matter if it works for you.

You guys need to post pics of the setups and TV in action, imo.
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post #805 of 1416
1/27/10 at 7:48pm
By hdd I meant the hard drive of my ps3. Videos downloaded to my ps3 can only be output in rgb and colors were dull compared to my blu-ray settings until I switched to rgb full/hdmi normal. I just realized something though. Maybe it is because my color space on the TV is set to auto. I will set it to native when I get home and see if that fixes the rgb limited/hdmi low problem I am experiencing. I had switched it to auto because I read somewhere that native made the color gamut too wide for some sources and produced oversaturated colors. It looks good now though so maybe I should just keep the settings I have and stop over analyzing everything lol.

Update: The color space setting didn't make a difference. I will just keep the settings I have now.
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post #806 of 1416
1/28/10 at 9:11am
Wll I payed 541 with tax for this tv but to be honest sometimes the "lines" come through when I game and its starting to bother me,...so I was looking for a cheap 1080p solution...how is this tv LG 42LH30? Or any other ideas?
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post #807 of 1416
1/28/10 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by zero_zep View Post

Wll I payed 541 with tax for this tv but to be honest sometimes the "lines" come through when I game and its starting to bother me,...so I was looking for a cheap 1080p solution...how is this tv LG 42LH30? Or any other ideas?

What lines are you talking about? Also what are you gaming on?

If these lines are random lines that kind of just tear the image, that is called screen tearing and is a problem with certain games not a tv. Also if you are on consoles most games (by most i mean all but a handful) aren't 1080p so the benefit would be negligible. I use this tv with my PS3 and Uncharted 2 looked amazing. If you are pc gaming on this big of a tv, then I would recommend a tv that is 1080p.

Edit: Although I personally prefer pc gaming on smaller monitors at closer distances.
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post #808 of 1416
1/28/10 at 11:43am
I mean the lines in between the pixels cause its not full 720p...I see them every so often...mostly with bright whites.
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post #809 of 1416
2/1/10 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by Dit4Dat View Post

...and would love to see some more pics of people's Samsung plasma shrines.

Heres a pic of my B450. This is my bedroom setup.

List of equipment:

42B450
Explorer 4250HD STB
PS3 Slim
Monster HDP-2400




And the stand of the plasma was turned into a custom front channel speaker stand



And heres a little more info regarding the stand
http://forum.blu-ray.com/speakers/12...nel-stand.html
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post #810 of 1416
2/2/10 at 7:23am
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Originally Posted by Harri Patel View Post

Setting the PC's display at 1920X1080 results in a display which has about 1.5 inches of unused screen on the sides and just under an inch on the top and bottom. (The various on-screen icons and system text are also too small, but this can be fixed by increasing the default sizes of these things to Large or Extra Large.) Going down to 1280X720 makes the display even smaller and the unused areas larger. I can't find an option or control in the ATi Catalyst Control Center to adjust the size of the image to make it fill the screen. (I'm using a video card with the Radeon 4650 chipset.) Any thoughts on what I might do to get full-screen output?

The PS3's output does fill the entire screen, BTW.

Here's what I did last night. I hooked up my pc to the tv via hdmi. (dvi to hdmi adapter used). Now I tried going through basically all the resolutions. And yes if you force it to 1920x1080 the text and everything is too small. If you increase the default sizes it helps. BUT! You can then change the picture size from your remote (I think it's picture size) from what should be screen fit to 16:9. That will decrease the unused space by a bit and helps. But it's still not using the whole screen space.

Now going forward from this I set the desktop resolution back to 1024x768 and ran Mass Effect 2. Now ME2 is set to 1920x1080 because that's what my monitor is. So it set it accordingly. Then I switched the picture size to 16:9 and played a bit. I tried to take some pics that I'll post later tonight if they came out okay.

But basically it was doable. And the game did look a lot better. I don't have my lcd monitor calibrated and set the brightness to zero so I'm sure that has some slightly negative effects. However it seemed more sluggish and I'm not sure why. None of the settings changed and I don't see why it would be a resolution issue either. Maybe just going through the tv added processing or something.
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