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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hello all,

I just upgraded my 5 year old reciever HK Avr330 with Pioneer SC07(arriving by next week.)

I have been using Infinity TSS450 Speaker system bought 5 yrs back till date.

Link to Current system : Infinity TSS450

Primary use of my HT is watching movies(bluray) and very less music.

Current system:

Room size : 11 ft x25 ft -- Seating is at 15ft from the end of the room. 12ft from the Screen.

My System..
Sony XBR2 60inch
Infinity 5.1 Speaker system TSS-450(4 yr old )
Sony PS3
Xbox 360 (Non-hdmi Version)
Sony Vaio Laptop with HDMI and Full HD 1080
(using it sometimes for light PC gaming on big-screen)

I would to grab one set of speaker system either from Bestbuy/Amazon to Demo it out at my home to see how much better it sounds compared to my old speaker system. Both have good return policy with no restocking fee.

So which is that ONE system that I should try it out from amazon/bestbuy. I am not going for over $1000 mark - lesser the better.

Thanks for the opinions.

-Manu.

Room layout :
post #2 of 21
Here would be my top suggestions and they don't include anything you can buy from Bestbuy or Amazon.

1. SVS SBS-01 w/PB-10NSD sub on sale for $899
2. Aperion Intimus Harmony SA 5.1 system for $999. Free shipping and a 30 day trial, send it back if you don't like it.
3. tSc TS52T-HT 5.1 system for $749. 30 day free trial free shipping both ways if you don't like them.

If it's basically just for home theater and you 'must' buy from bestbuy or amazon then I'd seriously consider the Mirage Nanosats. For HT they are amazing. $499 for the 5 satellites and just add whatever sub you feel you need. Then work the salesperson down a bit in price. Pick a $500 sub or so...and offer $800 for the whole system.

For $899 the SVS system would be my best pick though. It includes a $400 subwoofer that can't be beat for the price.
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Danielson99 View Post

If it's basically just for home theater and you 'must' buy from bestbuy or amazon then I'd seriously consider the Mirage Nanosats.

Thanks Danielson99 for the suggestion. I never knew those speakers also had demo and free shipping both ways - if u didnt like them.

Its not a must for me to buy from BestBuy/Amazon, infact I never buy anything from BestBuy. I just wanted to test/demo some speakers to see how bad my current speakers sounds or how good the other speakers sound.

Yes the HT is only for watching Movies and listening to some FLAC/Mp3 music files(NO SACD / Dvd-Audio kind of stuff).
post #4 of 21
+1 on the SVS SBS-01 w/PB-10NSD sub on sale for $899.

I highly recommend this setup. You cant go wrong for that price. A good friend of mine picked up the same set with a PB-12NSD instead of the 10 and they sound amazing.
post #5 of 21
@Icemanu, here is one guys review of the monitor 60's it's pretty spot on and I can back up his statement also. For the price and bang for the buck you can't beat them just make sure you have a good sub. I picked up a pair at new egg for a little over a c-note a few months ago and never looked back.

From nightflier:
I didn't expect these Polks to have good bass, certainly not at that price, but I was pleasantly surprised. Since Bass is harder to reproduce, it weighs heavily on my buying decision. The Monitors didn't break up in the low frequencies even on volume levels as high as +5 (we switched between Pionneer Elite and Denon receivers). The bass was not that deep, to be sure, but at the 40-100Hz frequecies, it was loud, full, and I could feel it in my chest.

The larger speakers were also loud and could even go lower, but their bass seemed more muffled and less clear. But the Monitor 60's really shined in the mid ranges. Where the other speakers sounded further away, the Monitors where very detailed and "close." The higher frequencies were also strikingly sharp, fast, and in-your-face, even at the highest volumes. I know that the bookshelf monitor models are badly reviewed online, and Tweeter didn't have these for comparison, but the Monitor 60 towers were very alive to my ears. Maybe the addition of the woofer and the tower cabinet makes all the difference, I'm not sure, but I cannot think of any speaker at that price-point that can compare (they were on sale: $175/50% off, so maybe at $350, it's not that good). Anyhow, I bought them that day. I am now comparing all my other speakers to them, in my listening room. Some would say that these speakers are a bit too forward and even metallic sounding, and I can see why. But The clarity of these speakers is astounding. They are definitely not laid back. Compared with a pair of Infinity Primus towers that I am borrowing and that are about the same price, they are more lively and forward, so if you're looking for laid-back, these are not your speakers. When I got them home, I compared them to my Klipsch RB5's. These are horn-loaded bookshelf speakers that have been my reference speakers for years.

The Klipsch's are more spacial and I can better make out where instruments are in a complex symphonic passage, but the Polk's do not dissapoint. Although they are not as deeply spacial, the sound is closer to the listeing position. Although they are not up to par with the Klipsch's, they certainly hold their own. I also compared them with a pair of Polk RT600i towers with the foot-vented port. I felt that this was a fairer comparison since these were the low-end standard 3-4 years ago, albeit at a slightly higher price-point. These have always had excellent bass and are a joy to listen to, especially with classical music. However, the Polk Monitors where much more detailed in the high frequencies. While the RT600i's do go a tad lower, they will break up in the lower Hz at higher volumes if not coupled with a good sub.

The monitors could go much louder w/o a sub and where a much better speaker overall. I still love the quality construction of the RT600i's while the Monitors look rather cheap with their plastic silver fronts, but they were a better speaker, performance-wise. I have not thrown everything at them yet. For example, I have not used them in a home-theater setup. They certainly sound like they are geared towards this, though, since they are crisp, clear and loud, but I haven't tried this out. Overall, an excellent value. Polk has not advertised these well, there are very few reviews and I have only seen them at Tweeter. I heard they were designed exclusively for resale through Circuit City stores. This is probably not a good outlook for them. That said, if these can be scooped up for less than the MSRP, it should be a steal. Coupled with a low-Hz capable sub, they should be an incredible value. I am rating these a 4/5 because of the construction and the $350 price tag, but the performance is top-notch.

Strengths:
Loud, crisp, in-your-face speakers. Better that similar speakers from Sony, Pioneer, and the rest of the low-priced stuff out there. In my view, they bested speakers 2-3 times their price as well.
post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks Nimo for posting the review.

Buying 2xPolk + Surround + Center + Woofer might take the cost to SVS price I guess.

Just thought to add this info too. I dont have dedicated room for Home theatre.

Room dimensions : 12x30. Seating position is at 15ft (Right in the center of the room).
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by icemanu View Post

Thanks Nimo for posting the review.

Buying 2xPolk + Surround + Center + Woofer might take the cost to SVS price I guess.

Just thought to add this info too. I dont have dedicated room for Home theatre.

Room dimensions : 12x30. Seating position is at 15ft (Right in the center of the room).

The monitor 30's do a very good job for surrounds, newegg has them pretty cheap, and they are matched for the Monitor 60 towers. An LFM-1+ also completes the system.
post #8 of 21
Do yourself a favor and check out some online reviews for the SVS SBS-01 set and check out the owners section for them on this forum.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=625876

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...ite/svs-sbs-01

http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/svs_sbs01.htm

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...05-part-1.html

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/spe...er-system.html

I found those reviews just by googling "SVS SBS-01 reviews"
Now try doing that with the Polk monitor 60. The only thing that comes up are links to Amazon and NewEgg buyer reviews. That should speak for itself. You might save a little cash with the Polks but they are cheaper for a reason.
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by icemanu View Post

Hello all,

I just upgraded my 5 year old reciever HK Avr330 with Pioneer SC07(arriving by next week.)

I have been using Infinity TSS450 Speaker system bought 5 yrs back till date.

Primary use of my HT is watching movies(bluray) and very less music.

Current system:

My System..
Sony XBR2 60inch
Infinity 5.1 Speaker system TSS-450(4 yr old )
Sony PS3
Xbox 360 (Non-hdmi Version)
Sony Vaio Laptop with HDMI and Full HD 1080
(using it sometimes for light PC gaming on big-screen)

I would to grab one set of speaker system either from Bestbuy/Amazon to Demo it out at my home to see how much better it sounds compared to my old speaker system. Both have good return policy with no restocking fee.

So which is that ONE system that I should try it out from amazon/bestbuy. I am not going for over $1000 mark - lesser the better.

Thanks for the opinions.

-Manu.

What don't you like about the speakers you have now? What is the area you have you system in? IMO if your trying to improve your sound,your better off putting most of your budget into speakers. If you like your speakers now,why do you want to upgrade?
post #10 of 21
Just remember that buying online sometimes can kill you with shipping costs, especially if you don't like the product. You'll lose out on both shipping to you and back to them....and soon it'll start eating up your budget.


If you can, start auditioning what you can from B&M stores to get a feel of what you like and don't like.
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by steve0742003 View Post

Do yourself a favor and check out some online reviews for the SVS SBS-01 set and check out the owners section for them on this forum.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=625876

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...ite/svs-sbs-01

http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/svs_sbs01.htm

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...05-part-1.html

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/spe...er-system.html

I found those reviews just by googling "SVS SBS-01 reviews"
Now try doing that with the Polk monitor 60. The only thing that comes up are links to Amazon and NewEgg buyer reviews. That should speak for itself. You might save a little cash with the Polks but they are cheaper for a reason.

By all means go for the SVS set up, I thought he was just looking for a pair of cheap speakers with some bookshelfs. My cost for just the towers and bookies were a little over 340.00 when newegg had them marked down. For a little over 340.00 you can't beat that and it won't sound terrible by no means. But in your case you need everything and the SVS set up is by far the bomb diggity if you need the whole package.

And op ask a good question what do you have now?
post #12 of 21
Guess I didn't notice the cheaper the better part on icemanu's post I just noticed the part about the $1,000 mark. I was not trying to tear down the Polk system or anything. I guess my thoughts are that if you were willing to pay the cost for a sweet receiver like the SC07 then why skimp on the speakers when you can get something that will blow them away and still be under the amount you are willing to spend?

As supermanrob stated if you want to improve your sound you are better off sinking more money into the speakers. It might seem like a lot of money at first, but after the speakers are delivered and hooked you will be more than happy with the improvement in sound.
post #13 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for everyone who posted their opinions. I kind of got immersed in reading in other threads and forgot to follow up on my thread itself.

I just recently bought the following:
Aperion 5T - Fronts (May decide to get 5B - as I am not much into music)
Aperion 5C - Center
Aperion 5B - Rear
Aperion 8D - Woofer (I will probably switch to SVS Woofer and return 8D)
-------------------
Grand Total : $2000+

Room size : 11 ft x25 ft -- Seating is at 15ft from the end of the room. 12ft from the Screen.

I don't know - but the total came to that amount. I have to see how much it improves my sound from Infinity TSS-450 to Aperion set (maybe its comparing apples to oranges for sure .. $3xx vs $2300 speaker set). I am aware of their return policy.

I may try out Def Tech 7006 Tower speakers too.

Note : The tech people from Aperion told me the 4 Series system wouldnt suffice my Room specs. So I ended up buying everything from 5 Series.
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve0742003 View Post

Guess I didn't notice the cheaper the better part on icemanu's post I just noticed the part about the $1,000 mark. I was not trying to tear down the Polk system or anything. I guess my thoughts are that if you were willing to pay the cost for a sweet receiver like the SC07 then why skimp on the speakers when you can get something that will blow them away and still be under the amount you are willing to spend?

For the very same reason - I just bumped by budget to $2000. If there are better options that Aperion for 2K bracket. Keep posting the suggestion. I am not a hobbyist - so I don't plan to change the system for a long long time. unless something fails.

Primary interest is still in Movies(driven by PS3), less music, less games.
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by icemanu View Post

For the very same reason - I just bumped by budget to $2000. If there are better options that Aperion for 2K bracket. Keep posting the suggestion. I am not a hobbyist - so I don't plan to change the system for a long long time. unless something fails.

Primary interest is still in Movies(driven by PS3), less music, less games.

Funny when I bought the 1018 the Monitor 60's were a perfect match for he low entry system. Since then I've upgraded and I am thinking about upgrading my mains and use the 60's as surrounds keep the 30's for 7.1 and the extra set I can just put those in the garage or run them in series. So nothing goes to waist but the problem I have now is mounting the towers on the wall in place of the bookshelf's. And finding another set of mains...
post #16 of 21
icemanu:

You could consider:
2x SVS MBS-01 speakers (front)
1x SVS SCS-01 center
2x SVS SBS-01 (surrounds)
1x SVS PB12-NSD sub

Should come in right at $2K and would be a kick ass system. If you want to go slightly over the $2K limit I would recommend the SB-12 Plus sub for about $100 more.

Another option that you should consider:
HSU Research:
4 x HB1-MKII speakers (fronts and surrounds)
1 x HB1C-MKII Center (center)
1 x VTF-3 MK3 Sub

Shipped price should be around $1700

Yet another option:
http://emotiva.com/shop/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=52
and add an SVS or HSU sub for under $2K easy.
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by icemanu View Post

For the very same reason - I just bumped by budget to $2000. If there are better options that Aperion for 2K bracket. Keep posting the suggestion.

Ascend Acoustics CBM-170 SE - Front LCR
Ascend Acoustics HTM-200 SE - Surrounds
SVS PB12-Plus - Subwoofer

These speakers are plenty loud and dynamic for a room of this size (I know because I use them in a much larger room with a weaker receiver), they sound equally great for HT and music, and at $778 (shipped) leave enough room in your budget for a huge step up in subwoofer power.
post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all suggestions.

Just received my Pioneer Sc07 receiver today which seems to be taller by 0.5 margin and wouldnt fit on the upper rack and same will apply to the Aperion 5C Center speaker. So I maybe have to buy a Media center rack and place it to the left of the TV. But if i buy media center rack. I cant place my SubWoofer at its left.

Is the placement of Subwoofer next to the TV near the fronts absolutely required???? Or can It placed anywhere in the room. for e.g near the rear surround(left).
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by icemanu View Post

Thanks for all suggestions.

Just received my Pioneer Sc07 receiver today which seems to be taller by 0.5 margin and wouldnt fit on the upper rack and same will apply to the Aperion 5C Center speaker. So I maybe have to buy a Media center rack and place it to the left of the TV. But if i buy media center rack. I cant place my SubWoofer at its left.

Is the placement of Subwoofer next to the TV near the fronts absolutely required???? Or can It placed anywhere in the room. for e.g near the rear surround(left).

I struggled with trying to find the perfect media rack and ended up building my own using 1/2" birchwood plywood, and poplar boards that you can find at your local Home Depot/Lowes. Stained it using a dark mahogany stain and we get compliments all the time on it. People cannot believe I made it myself So if you are feeling DYI at all, you could go this route. I think the wood, stain, etc set me back about $175 or so, and I had some left.

As for you sub, there is no rule that says it needs to be right next to your TV. Try this:
1. Place the sub in your normal seating position.
2. Play a movie/music that will engage your subwoofer
3. Crawl around on the floor and try out various points that you think might work for subwoofer placement. How does it sound? If you are getting good sound, the sub should work there.

This method has worked well for me over the years (if you have an SPL meter and some sub test tones, all the better). Ideally you would also want some bass traps and other room treatments as well. Checkout these guys:
http://www.gikacoustics.com/gik_244.html

I have experimented with having a sub in the back of the room vs the front and preferred the front. But I have seen lots of people place their sub in the rear of the room and get good results.
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by icemanu View Post

Thanks for everyone who posted their opinions. I kind of got immersed in reading in other threads and forgot to follow up on my thread itself.

I just recently bought the following:
Aperion 5T - Fronts (May decide to get 5B - as I am not much into music)
Aperion 5C - Center
Aperion 5B - Rear
Aperion 8D - Woofer (I will probably switch to SVS Woofer and return 8D)
-------------------
Grand Total : $2000+

Room size : 11 ft x25 ft -- Seating is at 15ft from the end of the room. 12ft from the Screen.

I don't know - but the total came to that amount. I have to see how much it improves my sound from Infinity TSS-450 to Aperion set (maybe its comparing apples to oranges for sure .. $3xx vs $2300 speaker set). I am aware of their return policy.

I may try out Def Tech 7006 Tower speakers too.

Note : The tech people from Aperion told me the 4 Series system wouldnt suffice my Room specs. So I ended up buying everything from 5 Series.

Hi icemanu,

What is your opinion regarding Aperion's 5T series speakers? I recently purchased an SC-07 myself and I'm also interested in Aperion Audio's speaker systems. My room dimensions are ~20' x 20'.

BTW... did anyone respond to your question regarding the audio output settings to use for your PS3?
post #21 of 21
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by optivity View Post

Hi icemanu,

What is your opinion regarding Aperion's 5T series speakers? I recently purchased an SC-07 myself and I'm also interested in Aperion Audio's speaker systems. My room dimensions are ~20' x 20'.

BTW... did anyone respond to your question regarding the audio output settings to use for your PS3?

I will be receiving the speakers only on 5th(OR to FL shipping needs 5 long days).

For PS3 setting leave it at Auto, on SC07 if you see PCM shown then its fine(Remember to pick the right Audio Format inside the BD Movies>Setup option.)
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