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post #421 of 442
I don't think I'll keep this set, but for anyone interested, here is how my CN05 February 2010 panel measured (32"LN460).

I set the Contrast to achieve 41ftL which is plenty bright, set Color so that the 75% red was at 21% of 75% white. Set black level so that the 10 IRE pattern was approx. 0.65% of the 100 IRE window pattern, and tried to get a gamma of 2.2. What's really odd is that my ending settings varied significantly from any I've seen on here, WAY off from this:

http://www.televisioninfo.com/conten...alibration.htm

Has anyone else used a meter to calibrate this set? In any event, here is what I ended up with:

Contrast 70 (this gave 41ftL, a 92 would give over 65!)
Brightness 45
Color 42
Tine 53/47
Movie
Warm2
Gamma: -3
Color Space: Auto
White Balance:
35
28
14
30
26
43

I did not try Native color space to see if I'd get a better pallete. Saturation was pretty decent across the board, but colors were off significantly (no lower than a DE of 8 with magenta being the worse offender at 26.4). Now, I only spent about 30 minutes doing this and it was on a new set. Not sure if LCD's "break in", but the contrast level I achieved was a measly 679:1 compared to 3383:1 in the above link. I was thinking maybe my meter was going, but I had my Samsung Plasma behind this set was clearly "blacker" by a several shades than the LN460.

In any event, here are some graphs, if I don't return the set before then, I'll try some measurements in Warm 1 instead of Warm 2, and possibly with the Native color space vs auto.








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post #422 of 442
A quick question for you ln32b460 owners, how is the SD handing on it? I am considering one for the bedroom, and I plan on connecting an antenna for OTA reception, as well as a component input or HDMI from a DVD player.

However I have a satellite receiver that I share from downstairs using a cable connection (I know yuck -- but the old 13" TV is fine with it). I understand this will not give me an HD picture, but is the 460 able to do a good enough job with it that the signal will be watchable? I have seen some sets in the past that are _brutal_ with SD content. I am hoping things have improved since then in the up-scaling chipsets.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.
post #423 of 442
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbell_ View Post

A quick question for you ln32b460 owners, how is the SD handing on it?

I took delivery of my LN32B460 earlier today, and after having poured over this very thread for two full weeks of indecision I was very worried about the SD picture. It is fine- far better than I ever expected, and this using a composite connection to a simple SD DirecTv set top box.

I'm no high end user with mega expectations, just a regular viewer, but the SD picture is (understandably) much better than our huge RPTV, and right up there with our fabulous 36" CRT.

I can't speak as to the HD quality as it can't find any OTA channels by itself and my antennae won't be here until later today, but judging by the SD alone I am quite happy with it.
post #424 of 442
Thanks for the feedback. This makes me much more confident.

What kind of antenna are you planning on using? I am thinking of using an indoor unit for the time being (it is an upstairs bedroom).

Quote:
Originally Posted by cearbhaill View Post

I'm no high end user with mega expectations, just a regular viewer, but the SD picture is (understandably) much better than our huge RPTV, and right up there with our fabulous 36" CRT.
post #425 of 442
An RCA ANT1250 amplified indoor antenna picks up all 7 local digital/HD stations in our area from about 24 miles. Available at Walmart.
post #426 of 442
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbell_ View Post

What kind of antenna are you planning on using? I am thinking of using an indoor unit for the time being (it is an upstairs bedroom).

I got an indoor Terk, but can only get it to receive two stations, one a PBS. I am willing to try another but am in a very hilly area and my stations are all in the 30-40 mile range, so I have to wonder how successful I will even be. I don't want to add a monstrosity to my roof, but if I could mount it off the back of the house (thankfully it faces the correct direction) I might could do it.
I need to go get busy in the Local/Reception forum
post #427 of 442
Thanks for the feedback on the antennas. I will check out the RCA one at Walmart.

I stopped by my local Costco warehouse where they have the 32" TV on sale.

The nice thing about Costco is they leave most of their stock on the floor.

I looked at the serial number tags on the side of the boxes, and found the LCD part. Most were "SS 04" (I would say about 70% of them). The others were "CN 03".

Is the SS screen considered the best? Or is the CN screen acceptable as well? If I was to get it from Costco, I would have a choice. Which should I get?

Thanks again for any feedback.
post #428 of 442
I have purchased the LN32B460 from Costco. When I got there all of the sets in stock were sold except for one (a few days ago there were at least a dozen of them)!!!!. Luckily the remaining one was an SS screen.

Set it up last night. I will give more impressions in a few days, however the screen looks good -- no bad pixels, and the off angle viewing seems good to me (enough for the bedroom setting that is for sure!). No flashlighting. I applied the calibration settings mentioned earlier in the thread, since it was way too bright by default. Sound seems sufficient, but I will test further.

I also purchased an amplified Philips indoor antenna (looks much like the amplified RCA one). Pulls in all the digital channels from about 20 miles away, so I can get 3 main networks, PBS and a few others like RTV (which is a nice channel, although a little low on the bandwidth allocation).

I notice it already has the latest 1021 firmware installed on it. Build date was January 2010.

Connected a Laptop to the PC input and the TV resolution was properly detected and configured (Kubuntu Linux). This will make the Laptop a nice little multimedia device.

All in all my wife is quite happy with it, which is important too.
post #429 of 442
bbell, good for you. Our 26" in the bedroom was way too bright, too. The only adjustment I made was to lower the backlight to near zero on Movie mode for nightime watching. Wife is ecstatic with it, so didn't make any other changes.
post #430 of 442
Hey I just picked this set up at pc richard and i was wondering if anyone could answer me a few questions about the set...

Though this is a 720p set it acceps 1080 through hdmi...

Using my xbox 360 through hdmi is it better to display at 720 or 1080p? TV's scaler vs the 360.

Also does anyone know of a remote that can control both this tv and the media center functions of the 360?

Thanks
post #431 of 442
I would just leave it at 1080p and let the tv scaler downsize the picture, that's how I have my playstation set.
post #432 of 442
Thanks for the quick response. Your TV is fairing ok? You had it about 1 year right?
post #433 of 442
Hopefully someone has figured this out. I've been trying a lot of the calibration settings here posted by gp-se with great results, but I cannot access the HDMI Black Level and Film Mode controls no matter what settings I change or what device I use. TV is the LN32B460 v.CN01

Cable -TV (HD): Options Greyed Out
PC (via HDMI): Options Greyed Out
Samsung Blu Ray Player (via HDMI): Options Greyed Out
Unplug all devices - TV only: Options Greyed Out

The only thing the manual says is that you cant access these settings when the tv is in "PC Mode" but nowhere does it say what PC mode is or how to get out of it?!?!

How is everyone else managing to access these 2 settings?
post #434 of 442
Quote:
Originally Posted by Netrunner2250 View Post

Hopefully someone has figured this out. I've been trying a lot of the calibration settings here posted by gp-se with great results, but I cannot access the HDMI Black Level and Film Mode controls no matter what settings I change or what device I use. TV is the LN32B460 v.CN01

Cable -TV (HD): Options Greyed Out
PC (via HDMI): Options Greyed Out
Samsung Blu Ray Player (via HDMI): Options Greyed Out
Unplug all devices - TV only: Options Greyed Out

The only thing the manual says is that you cant access these settings when the tv is in "PC Mode" but nowhere does it say what PC mode is or how to get out of it?!?!

How is everyone else managing to access these 2 settings?

I also believe with certain preset picture option(Movie, Vivid,...etc) it is also grayed out.
post #435 of 442
I was in TV mode (OTA air) and could definitely access the Film mode settings. The HDMI Black Level was greyed out, which doesn't surprise me. I don't have any HDMI devices to try with.

If you have tried the preset suggestion above and still have issues maybe check the firmware version.
post #436 of 442
I have noticed one other issue with regards to the film mode settings. Watching OTA broadcasts, I cannot change the film mode setting if the station is transmitting on 720p. If its 1080i I can.

Perhaps this is part of the issue?
post #437 of 442
Does anyone know of a good corner mount solution that will support a sat box?
post #438 of 442
Got nothing for your mount, sorry.

Any idea if this tv has a variable audio output? I am planning on hooking up a soundbar and am wondering if my remote will work with the volume.
post #439 of 442
Does anybody know what the new changes are in the Jan 10 firmware? Trying to decide if it's worth the upgrade.
post #440 of 442
HDMI Movie/Standard Settings using the Colormunki Colorimeter:

Greetings Colleagues,

Herein are recent hdmi settings for movie and standard modes for the LN32B460, using the colormunki display colorimeter, hcfr updated software, DVE hd disk for pluge and sharpness patterns, and the AVS Forum 709 disk for the color pattern and brightness pattern. Pluge pattern was used for brightness @ 2% above black barely visible.

Movie mode peak white set @ 40 ftL, and for standard mode @ 50 ftL. Color temperature for standard mode set at 12000K, but calibration measurements show settings still in the white space of the tv's color gamut. This gives the tv a slight 3D effect. Can be lowered to D93 stamdard. Gamma graph extremely level between 30 % and 100 % grey field patterns around 2.2.

For some of the techniques, see http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430821/some-diy-techniques-in-calibrating-plasma-hdtv

Standard HDMI
screen fit
Fields Patterns Used

standard mode
color tone cool
cell light 8
contrast 80
brightness 43
sharpness 1
color 46 DVE Pattern with Blue Filter
tint 47/53
black tone off
Gamma -1
auto color space
Offset Red 15 Green 25 Blue 14
Gain Red 8 Green 25 Blue 22
All other enhancements off, including edge enhancement

Movie HDMI
screen fit
Fields Patterns Used

movie mode
color tone warm2
cell light 6
contrast 85
brightness 42
sharpness 8
color 48 DVE Pattern with Blue Filter
tint 48/52
black tone off
Gamma -1
auto color space
Offset Red 14 Green 25 Blue 15
Gain Red 28 Green 25 Blue 23
All other enhancements off, including edge enhancement

Vincentfam
post #441 of 442
Quick question with an issue I recently ran into. I just bought a Roku 3. On that input the TV now has the info bar and check signal floating around even though I can see the Roku just fine. This just started about a week after I got the Roku.
post #442 of 442
Updated HDMI Standard and Movie Modes Settings:

Greetings Colleagues:

Here are the revamped settings for Movie and Standard modes, using AVS Forum HD 709 Disk, APL Clipping Pattern, which is the 2nd pattern that comes after the Black Clipping Pattern, and is described as an APL for use in a "typical viewing environment." This pattern was used to adjust brightness level because the previous setting was too dark. As recommended, the brightness was adjusted where bar 19 was barely visible. Calibration patterns used were full field patterns from the Gamut Calibration Disk from this forum.

Standard mode adjusted to gamma level of 2.0 per recommendation of well respected calibrator. Also, color temperature adjusted down to 8500K.

Previous settings using incorrect brightness adjustments were too dark.

Standard HDMI
Size 16:9
Fields Patterns Used

standard mode
color tone Normal
cell light 8
contrast 80
brightness 47
sharpness 9 (using maximum sharpness technique)
color 48 DVE Pattern with Blue Filter
tint 49/51
Gamma +1
auto color space
Offset Red 13 Green 25 Blue 14
Gain Red 26 Green 25 Blue 21
edge enhancement on
All other enhancements off

Movie HDMI
Size 16:9
Fields Patterns Used

movie mode
color tone warm2
cell light 6
contrast 85
brightness 45
sharpness 9 (using maximum sharpness technique)
color 49 DVE Pattern with Blue Filter
tint 48/52
Gamma -1
auto color space
Offset Red 13 Green 27 Blue 6
Gain Red 32 Green 25 Blue 31
edge enhancement on
All other enhancements off

Your colleague in picture quality,

Vincentfam
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