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post #61 of 442
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Originally Posted by xraffle View Post

I suppose you buy Monster HDMI cables with your TV because their advertisements claim that their cables offer the best picture quality.

It wasn't that long ago that you were a "believer".
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post #62 of 442
We all make mistakes: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=347

This guy thinks he's a know-it-all and he links me to Samsung's ad. It's an ad, for crying out loud!! Of course, they're going to say 120hz makes a huge difference. They want you to buy it!! Motion blur mostly has to do with response time.
post #63 of 442
Sorry, but I don't understand why you are "ragging" on this poster. Most, if not all LCD manufacturers now offer a 120Hz feature to help reduce (not resolve) blur.

I suppose your stance is that no one should buy an LCD TV that offers 120Hz? Just buy one that has the lowest response time? Or... just go on your observation(s)/opinion?

No reason IMO to be nasty.
post #64 of 442
Wasn't being nasty. Sorry if it sounded that way. It's just that an ad is not a good way to prove that it's true. I can link you to Monster's ad to "prove" their cables are superior, but it's not true.
post #65 of 442
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Originally Posted by xraffle View Post

You're looking at Samsung's advertisement and you believe it. I compared both my 60hz TV with my cousin's 120hz and I saw the difference with my very own eyes. But you don't believe me. Fine!! I suppose you buy Monster HDMI cables with your TV because their advertisements claim that their cables offer the best picture quality.

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Originally Posted by xraffle View Post

We all make mistakes: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=347

This guy thinks he's a know-it-all and he links me to Samsung's ad. It's an ad, for crying out loud!! Of course, they're going to say 120hz makes a huge difference. They want you to buy it!! Motion blur mostly has to do with response time.

Overreact much? I never stated I did not beleive you or your opinion was invalid. I simply provided some information on what 120hz attempts to do...

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Originally Posted by gmanvbva View Post

It is what the 120+ Hz sets attempt to address (that and a better pulldown for 24hz).
post #66 of 442
I know. But you may want to make sure the TV has a fast response time as well. Buying a TV solely because it's 120hz doesn't guarantee that your TV will be free from motion blur.

Again, I wasn't being nasty. You're the ones being nasty. It's like I can't post because everyone thinks I'm mad. I offer some helpful advice and all of a sudden, I'm such a troublemaker. Thank you, guys! I appreciate that!!
post #67 of 442
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Originally Posted by xraffle View Post

We all make mistakes: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=347

This guy thinks he's a know-it-all and he links me to Samsung's ad. It's an ad, for crying out loud!! Of course, they're going to say 120hz makes a huge difference. They want you to buy it!! Motion blur mostly has to do with response time.

Well... since I am being a "know-it-all"... motion blur has more to do with 120hz than it does a monitor's listed response time... Or more appropriately 120hz has more impact on motion blur than the listed response time of the TV/monitor.
post #68 of 442
xraffle... take a few deep breaths... walk around the block... read your posts again... and then decide who was "being nasty"...

***This health and safety message brought to you courtesy of your neighborhood monster cable buying know-it-all.***

post #69 of 442
No one else is/was being nasty by name-calling and throwing barbs.

Post all you like. Helpful advice is one thing, an "opinion" is quite different. If you disagree with a post, provide facts to back your statement(s) without the "six-guns".

If it's only an opinion... it's just that. You shouldn't take it down to a personal level because you disagree with someone.
post #70 of 442
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Originally Posted by dasx86 View Post

I'm looking at this TV for my living room, which is rather small so a 32" would be perfect. I do a fair bit of Xbox 360 gaming however, so I am concerned with input lag.

Can anyone chime in on this subject? I know on some of the 550/650 models, you can disable picture processing on HDMI2 by labeling it PC, which reduces input lag dramatically. VGA is equally fast too, due to lack of processing. I could use either of these inputs for the 360. Any comments?

Anybody?
post #71 of 442
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Originally Posted by dasx86 View Post

I'm looking at this TV for my living room, which is rather small so a 32" would be perfect. I do a fair bit of Xbox 360 gaming however, so I am concerned with input lag.

Can anyone chime in on this subject? I know on some of the 550/650 models, you can disable picture processing on HDMI2 by labeling it PC, which reduces input lag dramatically. VGA is equally fast too, due to lack of processing. I could use either of these inputs for the 360. Any comments?

so y dont u go for...Sharp LC32GP1U AQUOS 32" LCD HDTV Game Players Series....its a perfect one i guess for u........and it is a game player TV...u shuld check this out and its not so costly out there.......
post #72 of 442
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Originally Posted by numan2good View Post

so y dont u go for...Sharp LC32GP1U AQUOS 32" LCD HDTV Game Players Series....its a perfect one i guess for u........and it is a game player TV...u shuld check this out and its not so costly out there.......

My two cents...I heard that Sharp TVs don't have good scalers, so they're not best in upscaling SD content. So, you may want to keep that in mind when purchasing that TV.
post #73 of 442
I'll try to do some quick and dirty input lag tests on this set in the next couple days.
post #74 of 442
That could depend on the source material.

1080i to 1080p is deinterlacing, not scaling. This holds true for games, BRD's and broadcast TV.

Being fed 1080p (from a BluRay) and displayed at 1080p, no scaling is required if the content is encoded at 1080p.

With upscaling standard DVD's (480i), you can use the DVD player or the TV to upscale and compare. But, that's not really HD.

With upscaling broadcast TV (ABC, FOX, ESPN-HD) that is 720p, then again, you can use the external STB or TV to handle scaling to compare. This would be the only time "scaling" would be required for HD content AFAIK.

Either way... all 1080p panels will always display it's native resolution.
post #75 of 442
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Originally Posted by Ratman View Post

...then again, you can use the external STB or TV to handle scaling to compare.

Some cable boxes, like mine, do an awful job upscaling 480i channels. So, this is where we need a TV with a good scaler.
post #76 of 442
Why upscale SD channels? Just deinterlace to 480p and let the TV do the rest.

480i is 480i... you can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. Especially with broadcast material(s) and being at the mercy of cableco's and signal quality from the head-end to your home.

BTW... I see you changed your previous post from "HD" to "SD".
I'm getting dizzy trying to keep up...
post #77 of 442
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Originally Posted by Ratman View Post

Why upscale SD channels? Just deinterlace to 480p and let the TV do the rest.

I forgot to mention...my cable box also has a poor deinterlacer as well. Seriously, Time Warner gives its subscribers terrible STBs. It's ridiculous!

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Originally Posted by Ratman View Post

BTW... I see you changed your previous post from "HD" to "SD".
I'm getting dizzy trying to keep up...

'Twas an error, my dear. So, I rectified it.
post #78 of 442
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Originally Posted by Ratman View Post

...and let the TV do the rest.

And that's where you will need a good scaler on your TV. That's what I was trying to warn the other poster about with the Sharp TV. From reviews, I heard that Sharp doesn't do a good job when you let it "do the rest."
post #79 of 442
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Originally Posted by xraffle View Post

My two cents...I heard that Sharp TVs don't have good scalers, so they're not best in upscaling SD content. So, you may want to keep that in mind when purchasing that TV.

well i dont have heard any kinda infor on sharps........sharps working well with games specially this model............
post #80 of 442
Well... you could be correct when it comes to broadcast TV in your experience and situation.

From my experience, my cheap (<$500) 32" Olevia looks good with a 720p native resolution.

Be that as it may... the post from ruman2good was in regard to "gaming" with an Xbox360.

Any input in that regard?
Any reviews you can provide about the poor scaling of the Sharps?
post #81 of 442
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Originally Posted by Ratman View Post

Be that as it may... the post from ruman2good was in regard to "gaming" with an Xbox360.

Any input in that regard?

Nope. But my Samsung A450 has no lag, so that poster should buy that TV.

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Originally Posted by Ratman View Post

Any reviews you can provide about the poor scaling of the Sharps?

Well I read it somewhere when I was reading reviews on several TVs. I don't have a documentation of what exact TVs I researched, so you'll have to wait for me to google and find the sites where I read that from. I just read it somewhere, but I can't say for sure that all Sharps definitely have poor scalers. It probably was last year's models since it's been quite some time since I did the research. Maybe, this year's models are better.

As far as Olevia TVs are concerned, I have no idea how their scalers are. I haven't done any research on their TVs. I always planned on getting a Samsung or Sony. I only looked into the Sharp because I saw a few on sale for a cheap price at Best Buy.

EDIT: I found the reviews for the Sharp TV that mentions the poor scalers. I had them bookmarked. They were customer reviews from BestBuy.com. However, I was correct, they were last year's model, so Best Buy has taken them off their sites. I was reading the reviews on the newer models and they seem ok. So, I guess numan2good can buy that TV.
post #82 of 442
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Originally Posted by xraffle View Post

Nope. But my Samsung A450 has no lag, so that poster should buy that TV.


Well I read it somewhere when I was reading reviews on several TVs. I don't have a documentation of what exact TVs I researched, so you'll have to wait for me to google and find the sites where I read that from. I just read it somewhere, but I can't say for sure that all Sharps definitely have poor scalers.

well ok man take ur time..........but i think this model of sharp didnt have any poor scalers.....yeah it didnt.............
post #83 of 442
Ok fine. Here we go again. People flip out on me. Enough advice from me. I was only trying to tell you what I read in reviews so you can thoroughly research the TV before purchasing it. If you researched and everything is ok, then fine, buy it. All I said was what I read. I did not say: “Sharp TVs have poor scalers. Stay clear from all Sharp TVs!!” I said, "keep that in mind" as OTHER Sharp TVs have had poor scalers. I only said that so you can make sure you do all your homework before buying it, not so you won't buy it.

People insult me for the two cents I give. First, people insult me for my input on 60hz vs. 120hz, which was something I actually saw. Then, I post my two cents on Sharp TVs. This I did not see in person, so I just told the poster to just do some research as it may be a possibility that this TV he’s planning to get may have a poor scaler. If it doesn’t, fine!

I try to help, I get insulted and people throw eggs at me. Fine. Enough input from me on this thread!!
post #84 of 442
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Originally Posted by xraffle View Post

Ok fine. Here we go again. People flip out on me. Enough advice from me. I was only trying to tell you what I read in reviews so you can thoroughly research the TV before purchasing it. If you researched and everything is ok, then fine, buy it. All I said was what I read. I did not say: Sharp TVs have poor scalers. Stay clear from all Sharp TVs!! I said, "keep that in mind" as OTHER Sharp TVs have had poor scalers. I only said that so you can make sure you do all your homework before buying it, not so you won't buy it.

ok man calm down........it nothing but a tv i was just sayin that k this one is good one........
post #85 of 442
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Originally Posted by dasx86 View Post

I'm looking at this TV for my living room, which is rather small so a 32" would be perfect. I do a fair bit of Xbox 360 gaming however, so I am concerned with input lag.

Can anyone chime in on this subject? I know on some of the 550/650 models, you can disable picture processing on HDMI2 by labeling it PC, which reduces input lag dramatically. VGA is equally fast too, due to lack of processing. I could use either of these inputs for the 360. Any comments?


I've been playing Call of Duty: World at War the past few days on it and I haven't noticed any issues or slower times than my previous LCD. I can't give you a definitive ms lag measurement but to my eyes/hands it plays fine.
post #86 of 442
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Originally Posted by xraffle View Post

I did not say: “Sharp TVs have poor scalers. Stay clear from all Sharp TVs!!” I said, "keep that in mind" as OTHER Sharp TVs have had poor scalers. I only said that so you can make sure you do all your homework before buying it, not so you won't buy it.

You did say, "keep that in mind". The rest sounds like a recommendation to steer clear of Sharps because they have poor scalers. Sorry if your intent was misinterpreted.

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Originally Posted by xraffle View Post

I heard that Sharp TVs don't have good scalers, so they're not best in upscaling SD content. So, you may want to keep that in mind when purchasing that TV.
post #87 of 442
Guys, if you're not here to talk about the actual TV in the topic please take it elsewhere. We don't need a virtual pissing match in here.
post #88 of 442
Point of order please

we are receiving a lot of reports about this thread: it is an owners thread

If members continue to disrupt, they will be asked to leave the thread (banned from thread)
post #89 of 442
Wow... there are mods on AVS still...

I will do some quick lag tests at lunch today and provide some feedback. It certainly has some input lag.
post #90 of 442
Well my quick and dirty test was inconclusive (sorta). Using my laptop (with HDMI out) @720P the LN32B460 was 1-2 frames (15-35 seconds) behind the built in LCD. That is a good sign but not a very accurate or controlled test. Turning game mode on seemed to only make a marginal (if any) difference.

I will probably do some more accurate and controlled testing later. I'm going out of town tomorrow for the holiday weekend so it won't be for at least a week or so.

Edit: Did a little further testing and corrected an incorrect comment.
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