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post #31 of 309
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Originally Posted by Gino AUS View Post

I'm particularly interested to know how he did this without Contrast Modulation. I used this quite a bit in my blend setup to get things seamless. My guess would be that he is not maximising his raster as aggresively as we are. Therefore the light drop off to the edge of the tube is not that great.

Yep, the smaller the screen, the less of a problem you'll have in this area.

During Williams first meet, I recall Terry indciating how well he did when he played around with the colors on the blend. And that's why there's no contrast boards in his projectors.
post #32 of 309
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Originally Posted by mp20748 View Post

I'm not aware of this problem, or how it can be a problem with how the Blend unit splits the image. The resolution method seems to be the industry standard, so it would be good to know more about this.

There is no supported 1:1 with the Blendzilla. This is simply because there are preset output resolutions going to the projectors, none of which match the given source material (1920x1080 or 1920x817)

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While there I showed William a method that I had learned. It really simplifies the process. And I also should him a better way to avoid banding when blending. In less than a minute, I removed the banding from one of his projectors right in the blend zone. colors, blend zone and banding... well, there's really an easier way to do this.

Care to share your secret? I use my Spectracal Hubble (Sencore OTC1000) with CalMan Pro to setup one projector. Then I do the second by eye using a horizontal grey scale pattern to match the D65 calibrated first pj.

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There is no gamma anything in his setup at this time. Not sure if he intends it for the meet, but it's not there now. And the best way to implement it in a blend setup would be before the blend unit. You'll not want to add gamma at the projectors, which would be the method with the Moome cards that he has. If done in the cards at the projector, it would effect the blend zone. The only way to get around that would be to scope the gamma curves and contrast levels of each card while in the projectors, and then match them using the scope.

This is precisely why I have a Lumagen Radiance in my setup. I can perfectly tweak the gamma curve in any step, and keep white where its supposed to be.
post #33 of 309
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Originally Posted by Gino AUS View Post

There is no supported 1:1 with the Blendzilla. This is simply because there are preset output resolutions going to the projectors, none of which match the given source material (1920x1080 or 1920x817)

OK< that makes sense.


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Care to share your secret? I use my Spectracal Hubble (Sencore OTC1000) with CalMan Pro to setup one projector. Then I do the second by eye using a horizontal grey scale pattern to match the D65 calibrated first pj.

The horizontal grey scale is key, but don't use your eye. First calibrate the left projector, then match the righ to the left, but do so using the horizontal grey scale pattern. First match the top and bottom (black/white). But do so wit the color meter. Do this starting with green only. Match the right projectors green to the left projector, from there do the same with red and blue. There's a bit more, but the key is the hor grey scale and green only initially.
post #34 of 309
Re: 1:1 mapping in addition to the horizontal lines, the DVX has an internal buffer of horizontal 1920 pixels, so even if you choose one of the output resolutions to account for the blend width, the DVX is going to resample internally and you'd get aliasing. I asked this to DVX's engineers and they confirmed the limitation (I implemented a pure software-based blend which does not have this limitation and I perceive it as significantly sharper).
post #35 of 309
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Originally Posted by antorsae View Post

Re: 1:1 mapping in addition to the horizontal lines, the DVX has an internal buffer of horizontal 1920 pixels, so even if you choose one of the output resolutions to account for the blend width, the DVX is going to resample internally and you'd get aliasing. I asked this to DVX's engineers and they confirmed the limitation (I implemented a pure software-based blend which does not have this limitation and I perceive it as significantly sharper).


Hmm.. are they trying to correct on this? I mean for as much as those units cost, shouldn't they be trying to reprogram them to make more flexible and rates for 1:1 mapping. I nice product, but it blows my mind that Ive not seen any real updates or changes to its original firmware. When we know, these changes can be done in firmware.


Oh, sometime later. I'll post more of blending. We also use a special PC based primary charting software. It's a must for the top end DLP commercial projectors. They have about three times the colors controls that's found in CRT projectord. veyr complicated to setup for color matching when blending, so much so, that you have to use the special chart. And the best thing to use the eye for is pastel colors. When following pastel colors the secondaries are more accurate and primaries follow...
post #36 of 309
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Originally Posted by Gino AUS View Post

Care to share your secret? I use my Spectracal Hubble (Sencore OTC1000) with CalMan Pro to setup one projector. Then I do the second by eye using a horizontal grey scale pattern to match the D65 calibrated first pj.

I was rushing out this morning and did not cover this well. It's a process that requires a PC base Chromaticity chart.

Once the left projector is properly calibrated, you then align the right one using the horizontal grey ramp and a color meter. This process was shared with me and since then I've been using it with great success.

But before it will work well on a Marquee, you'll have to make sure there's no noticeable banding. Lowering or eliminating the banding is the first thing that should be done. And that can be done in how you separate the lines. And when done right, there's no real need to play back and forth with geometry. It is something I had demonstrated on Williams setup.

One day, I'll see what I can do to post the procedure on my setup...
post #37 of 309
Banding is not an issue for me.

I'm still confused with your procedure for colour matching with the colorimeter.

I calibrate the left pj to D65 with the colorimeter. Using the horizontal grey scale pattern I then color match by eye, so to my eye, the right pj matches the calibrated pj. If I use the colorimeter on the right pj also, what's the point of needing the horizontal grey scale? When do you use it? I use 30 and 80IRE windows for D65 calibration.
post #38 of 309
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Originally Posted by Gino AUS View Post

Banding is not an issue for me.

I'm still confused with your procedure for colour matching with the colorimeter.

I calibrate the left pj to D65 with the colorimeter. Using the horizontal grey scale pattern I then color match by eye, so to my eye, the right pj matches the calibrated pj. If I use the colorimeter on the right pj also, what's the point of needing the horizontal grey scale? When do you use it? I use 30 and 80IRE windows for D65 calibration.

You'll need to first match the top and bottom green bars with the left projectors top and bottom green bars. From there you do the same with red and blue. And from there, you'll have to bring up the Chromaticity chart from a PC chart. from there you match the points on the right projector to the same points on the left projector. It's a little more to it than this, but this should give an idea of the procedure.

I'm not good at explaining things like this, so that's why I'll be doing it at Williams.

The upper end Christie Digital 3 chip projectors use a Chromaticity chart (provided by Christie) to properly align the colors when blending.

If you had to play with geometry to get rid of the blend zone, that's not the nest way to blend, especially if that process was used in the blend zone.
post #39 of 309
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Originally Posted by mp20748 View Post

You'll need to first match the top and bottom green bars with the left projectors top and bottom green bars. From there you do the same with red and blue. And from there, you'll have to bring up the Chromaticity chart from a PC chart. from there you match the points on the right projector to the same points on the left projector. It's a little more to it than this, but this should give an idea of the procedure.

I'm not good at explaining things like this, so that's why I'll be doing it at Williams.

The upper end Christie Digital 3 chip projectors use a Chromaticity chart (provided by Christie) to properly align the colors when blending.

If you had to play with geometry to get rid of the blend zone, that's not the nest way to blend, especially if that process was used in the blend zone.

If you could get someone to take photos of you doing the setup and what the chromaticity chart looks like that would be awesome. I doubt I'll be able to make it to William's to see you do it first hand.
post #40 of 309
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Originally Posted by Gino AUS View Post

If you could get someone to take photos of you doing the setup and what the chromaticity chart looks like that would be awesome. I doubt I'll be able to make it to William's to see you do it first hand.


I'll make it happen for you. It's just that I'm not good at explaining this.

I did not use the chart at Williams, I only showed how to make the banding go away in the blend zone.

I showed it to William in a very brief manner on his setup, and not only did i make the banding go away, I did so without having to touch convergence and geometry.

I'm not allowed to share any other software that I'm using for what I do, but I think I'm good to post a picture of it. I'll get my hard drive...
post #41 of 309
I'll have to get back later with this...
post #42 of 309
i am so fricken there. just keep me full of alcohol
post #43 of 309
Please add me to the list as tentative, I'm to be in Kuwait from Oct 1 - Nov 20th, but things change. I really want to make this meet if I'm in country.
post #44 of 309
Thread Starter 
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i am so fricken there. just keep me full of alcohol

Dear Arli;

First call for alcohol will be just after you arrive. Last call for alcohol will be just before you leave.

Welcome my friend.

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Please add me to the list as tentative, I'm to be in Kuwait from Oct 1 - Nov 20th, but things change. I really want to make this meet if I'm in country.

Dear Don;

I do hope you will be in country, and able to make it. The Meet is shaping up as one where most of the CRT projector illuminati will be in attendance.


William
(The Host)
post #45 of 309
I'm getting ready!! Got a new smoker, and I think I'll join in with Arli on the free alcohol.

wallace
post #46 of 309
Smoker you say?
post #47 of 309
Alcohol?
post #48 of 309
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Originally Posted by Gino AUS View Post

If you could get someone to take photos of you doing the setup and what the chromaticity chart looks like that would be awesome.

Here it is. You just put in the numbers from your color meter, and it shows the points on the chart.

post #49 of 309
Thread Starter 
The expected attendee list, as of 2009 June, is:

Don Wallace (BBQ God, aka Wallace1234, aka Wallace123456)
Cliffy (Overclkr)
Ken Whitcomb ???
John (Emdawqz1)
Clarence (Clarence)
Mike (MP)
JBJR
Arli (Bomrat)
Craig Rounds (CIR Engineering)
Adam (BBfarmht)
Bob (Citation4444)
Dropzone7
William & Mona Seaward
Scott (AdrianKelly)
Scot Kight
SC (ecrabb)
lexx21 and Denise
Don Kellogg (tentative)
Ben & Cheryl (CRTBen & CRTCheryl) ???
Curt Palme ???
Gino ???

William (+ lovely & talented Cheryl)

Plus 8 Mystery Guests
post #50 of 309
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Originally Posted by Don_Kellogg View Post

Smoker you say?

Yep. My old smoker finally burnt out. The door gasket was shot, and then the heating element went out. But, it put out some good BBQ!!!

So, here is my fathers day gift. http://store.cookshack.com/p-346-smo...essential.aspx

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Alcohol?

What?!?! Rock 'n Roll!!

wallace
post #51 of 309
Damn!!
post #52 of 309
Thread Starter 
Thought I might bump this thread back into the collective Borg's consciousness. It's been a while (new second story heat pump, new tankless hot water heater, mystery guest having come to live with us) since anyone has posted in the thread.

William
Part of the City of Champions Diaspora
post #53 of 309
oh me me sign me up, take those fricken question marks off my name
post #54 of 309
I`ll be there. smoking cigars in the new gazebo and using that antenna dish to park any partially used stoggies for later use.

Keeping Arli filled up with anything is a real challenge but worth it. One of the all time good guys.
post #55 of 309
Anybody needing a place to stay. I live a little over an hour away. Nice private guest wing in my house on the lake. PM me.
post #56 of 309
I'm still trying to swing it....but planing thios far off for me is the hard part i know more as the date gets closer

Athanasios
post #57 of 309
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Originally Posted by bomrat View Post

oh me me sign me up, take those fricken question marks off my name

Cool! Glad to hear you're going to make it.

You should bring one of those subs you got just sitting around and leave it here.

wallace
post #58 of 309
RT from Buffalo to BWI will set you back only about $140 with fees and taxes and I`ll pick you up at the airport and take you back. You gotta buy your ticket early. Fly in Fri night and fly out late Sunday.
post #59 of 309
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I`ll be there. smoking cigars in the new gazebo and using that antenna dish to park any partially used stoggies for later use.

Keeping Arli filled up with anything is a real challenge but worth it. One of the all time good guys.

Looking forward to seeing you again!

Man! That is one ugly looking sea-gar!!!





wallace
post #60 of 309
That was my sixth helping of the world`s greatest BBQ.
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