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post #151 of 6384
Thanks. I'll give that a try tonight and I'll also connect the analog outs from the 320 to see if that works.

I'll keep you posted.
post #152 of 6384
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Originally Posted by nhojbo View Post

Thanks. I'll give that a try tonight and I'll also connect the analog outs from the 320 to see if that works.

I'll keep you posted.

There's a few nuances when connecting via the analog outs of the 320 in case you are not aware.

For the 320:

In the 320's menu you'll have to set up the speakers etc. for multi channel analog outs. Also set the audio output to "PCM or Muti Channel" as that'll ensure the 320 does all of the decoding of the audio codecs.

Sub level with Analog Multi-channel outs for BD/DVD

BD/DVD players actually run the LFE subwoofer level at -10db when there is no bass management engaged and -15db when bass management is engaged. This is to prevent an overload of the multi channel inputs on your receiver/processor. Therefore to get the proper bass on the LFE channel you'll have to raise the LFE level in your 3805 by 10db or 15db depending on whether or not bass management is engaged. This is important because if you don't do this you'll think the bass is very thin sounding with the muti channel analog inputs. This info. was stated by "Ruined" in the BDP-09FD forum.
post #153 of 6384
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Originally Posted by Midwest User1 View Post


ways to get lossless:

1) Have an HDMI 1.3 receiver that can decode all of the lossless codecs to receive them via bitstream from the Blu-Ray player.

2) Have a player that can decode all of the lossless codecs and then send it to the reciever as PCM/Multi Channel via HDMI.

Question - using HDMI in both above outlined methods, is there any difference in sound quality between method #1 and #2? And is the answer debatable or not?
post #154 of 6384
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Originally Posted by nhojbo View Post

Thanks. I'll give that a try tonight and I'll also connect the analog outs from the 320 to see if that works.

For lossless multichannel analog converted output from an inexpensive BD player, level matched fidelity increase will likely be marginal, even negligible. But set up complexity & frustration increase will likely be exponential.

AJ
post #155 of 6384
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

The 320 is a high quality player that offers excellent BD performance and very good SD DVD upscaling. It is a slick design with a current featureset. Its weak points are limited to disappointingly slow load times and no gimmicky features (ie netflix streaming).

I am less so disappointed with this player, but moreso unimpressed. I see little reason why one would opt for this $400 player over a $275 51FD that offers nearly identical performance save DTS HD MA decoding and Profile 2.0, which appear to be tempered by lesser analogue audio decoding and smaller frame that seems to run warm.

In an ever competitive landscape, there are increasinly better and better players available. Differentiation in BD PQ at 1080P 24fps and AQ bitstreaming or decoded to LPCM is miniscule (minus tweaking). To me, it's largely a proposition of value and added gimmicky features like Netflix or Pandora streaming.

With a $400 street price, I think most folks looking for value, should opt for the 51FD. You will get identical load times (all be they painfully slow) and identical BD and SD DVD PQ (very good). I am rather impartial if not indifferent to BD Live, but do like the convenience of firmware upgrades via ethernet. In this regard, the 320 does offer some value, but frankly this feature set is becoming rapidly a "given" in BD players and is readily available in players flirting with $200 street values.

For those of us who are seeking high quality SD DVD upscaling, speedy load times, and tweak-full settings, my humblest of humble opinions is to get in line and spend the extra $100 for the oppo. $500 is a hell of a lot for a player whose featureset could become obsolete quickly in this rapidly developing media (3D, etc), but you really do get a heck of a lot more for the extra $100.

Once again, I am neither unhappy nor disappointed with this player; it is a great machine and offers very good upscaling and BD playback. That said, I do not think it excels in its value relative to the market or offers top notch quality.

Thank you very much for this info. Every point you made seems right on target. I just saw the bdp-320 listed for $299...which makes the oppo less of a bargain. especially since its a rapidly developing media as you stated.
post #156 of 6384
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Originally Posted by dmichael View Post

Question - using HDMI in both above outlined methods, is there any difference in sound quality between method #1 and #2? And is the answer debatable or not?

I've been following this very issue for over a year and here's what I've acertained.

In theory there should be no difference if using HDMI via bistream or if decoded in the player first and then sent via HDMI to the receiver.

There is a forum dedicated to this very debate and it can overwhelm most. So the simple way to think of it is if the Blu-ray player does the decoding then it can also send any secondary audio on the disk along to the receiver/pre-pro (this may or may not have relevance to many users). If you have no need for secondary audio then it doesn't really matter whether the Blu-ray player does the decoding or the receiver/pre-pro does it.
post #157 of 6384
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Originally Posted by WiWavelength View Post

For lossless multichannel analog converted output from an inexpensive BD player, level matched fidelity increase will likely be marginal, even negligible. But set up complexity & frustration increase will likely be exponential.

AJ

That is a great point. Set up complexity increases significantly when using the analog multi-channel outputs of a player that does NOT offer speaker distance settings and speaker level settings. By far the simplest and easiest method to get Lossless audio is via HDMI.
post #158 of 6384
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Originally Posted by pharmd View Post

Thank you very much for this info. Every point you made seems right on target. I just saw the bdp-320 listed for $299...which makes the oppo less of a bargain. especially since its a rapidly developing media as you stated.

Pioneer BDP 320 for $299? Where did you see that if you don't mind me asking?
post #159 of 6384
I was just watching a double layer DVD movie on the 320, and I noticed a delay in changing layers (about 3 sec). Then I discovered its a common problem that plagues the 51FD. Day by day I wish I had gotten the oppo.
post #160 of 6384
i don't understand the layer pause. I never had a pause on my other $20 dvd players.
post #161 of 6384
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sheedoe View Post

I was just watching a double layer DVD movie on the 320, and I noticed a delay in changing layers (about 3 sec). Then I discovered its a common problem that plagues the 51FD. Day by day I wish I had gotten the oppo.

yes, with all its strengths (great PQ) and all its foibles (long layer change and slow load times), this 320 appears to be a mini me of the 51. We swapped the wolfson DACs for ethernet connect - unsure if that trade was worthwhile though!
post #162 of 6384
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

i don't understand the layer pause. I never had a pause on my other $20 dvd players.

It's only on dvds burned with layer changes. It is roughly 2 to 3 seconds and is not noticeable on most dvds. weird the first time it happens to you though. unit does not have enough buffer memory to read ahead of the movie if you will. 51 and 05s have this issue. unsure if the 09 does. dollars for donuts the 23fd will too. what irony if the 120 does not as it appears to be a sharp clone
post #163 of 6384
Here is where I found the BDP-320 for $299:

http://www.applied-computer.com/Inve...&Acpn=40011725
post #164 of 6384
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Originally Posted by pharmd View Post

Here is where I found the BDP-320 for $299:

http://www.applied-computer.com/Inve...&Acpn=40011725

Thats more like the price this unit is worth.
post #165 of 6384
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by pharmd View Post

Here is where I found the BDP-320 for $299:

http://www.applied-computer.com/Inve...&Acpn=40011725

No warranty, but great price. They're not an authorized online retailer so you could be sol if it breaks shortly after their return window. just an fyi
post #166 of 6384
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

It's only on dvds burned with layer changes. It is roughly 2 to 3 seconds and is not noticeable on most dvds. weird the first time it happens to you though. unit does not have enough buffer memory to read ahead of the movie if you will. 51 and 05s have this issue. unsure if the 09 does. dollars for donuts the 23fd will too. what irony if the 120 does not as it appears to be a sharp clone

oh I know what it is, i just don't understand how it can still be there on such an expensive player ($600 retail for the 51FD).

it's got 256MB of storage built in, that should be a big enough buffer.
post #167 of 6384
My 320 froze again today. But this time, it froze after I stopped the movie (I Robot BD). I couldn't even shut it down with the remote. Finally had to shut it down by holding down the unit's power button for 5 sec. Worked fine upon rebooting.
post #168 of 6384
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

oh I know what it is, i just don't understand how it can still be there on such an expensive player ($600 retail for the 51FD).

it's got 256MB of storage built in, that should be a big enough buffer.

I think the simple answer is: these players aren't optimized for DVD playback. The Samsung BD-UP5000 exhibits similar pausing at layer changes.
post #169 of 6384
I was watching the History Channels "Founding Fathers: Vol 1" on DVD and noticed a progressively worsening lipsinc delay as the disc played. The video is HDMI to a PDP-5020FD and the audio is digital out to an AVR. I have watched other DVDs and have not noticed the issue. Is is possibly a poorly authored DVD, or my connection method?

On a more positive note the DVD surface was covered in light scatches and the player had no problems reading the data.

I will have to test the 320 on more DVDs this weekend to see if there is a noticable layer change delay and more lipsinc issues. These are two unacceptable flaws to me. If they exist the player goes back and I wait for the Oppo.

The 1999 Panasonic DVD player I'm replacing had no such issues and would fight through even the worse scratched disc.

I'm not convinced that the 320 has any issues yet, but I would like to hear more of other owners experience.
post #170 of 6384
I've noticed lipsync problems with the 51fd (more my guests than me).

Happens more often with source direct for some reason, on DVD's.
post #171 of 6384
The new Blu-ray models are finally on Pioneer USA's site! It says they use Burr-brown DACs. Do they use the PCM1702, 1738, 1742, 1791, 1792, or 1796?
post #172 of 6384
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Originally Posted by ValjeanPhantom View Post

The new Blu-ray models are finally on Pioneer USA's site! It says they use Burr-brown DACs. Do they use the PCM1702, 1738, 1742, 1791, 1792, or 1796?


According to Walkamo, both the BDP-320 and BDP-23FD use four Burr Brown PCM1742KE DACs. The 1742KE has a SNR of 106db. Not sure what is in the entry level BDP-120.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post15810366
post #173 of 6384
Has anyone with a kuro gotten the kuro's remote to work with the 320? None of the remote codes for pioneer players that I have tried have worked with my kuro remote to be able to control my 320.
post #174 of 6384
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Originally Posted by Makaveli Tha Don View Post

Has anyone with a kuro gotten the kuro's remote to work with the 320? None of the remote codes for pioneer players that I have tried have worked with my kuro remote to be able to control my 320.

2052 works on the 320 with the pdp-5020fd remote.
post #175 of 6384
Thread Starter 
Does anyone know if the 120 uses the same SOC chip as the 320/23/51/05 or is it a sharp clone?
post #176 of 6384
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Originally Posted by gearguy77 View Post

2052 works on the 320 with the pdp-5020fd remote.


That one does work, but it only lets me navigate the menus. None of the other buttons like pause, stop, rewind, fast fwd, menu, or any of that stuff work. Is yours the same way?
post #177 of 6384
A lot of people are comparing the 23 with the Elite 51. I have the BDP-95, and am considering moving that to another TV. How does the 51 compare with the 95 in terms of picture quality, audio quality, and load times? Load times don't bother me very much, but if the difference is substantial, that may make a difference to me. I assume that if the 23 is hooked up to a router that you can download firmware updates automatically.
post #178 of 6384
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Originally Posted by Makaveli Tha Don View Post

That one does work, but it only lets me navigate the menus. None of the other buttons like pause, stop, rewind, fast fwd, menu, or any of that stuff work. Is yours the same way?

All those functions work with mine.
post #179 of 6384
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Originally Posted by gearguy77 View Post

All those functions work with mine.

Really? What am I doing wrong I wonder. Can you power the player on and off with it too?
post #180 of 6384
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Originally Posted by Makaveli Tha Don View Post

Really? What am I doing wrong I wonder. Can you power the player on and off with it too?

I can power off and on the player with the Kuro remote (all the expected functions work). I don't know what or if you are doing anything wrong.

IIRC the Kuro remote controls the disc menus of the BDP-320 even if TV is selected as the active device (I suspect Kuro Link). This would lead me to believe that your remote is not taking the code for the BDP-320.

Has the remote been successfuly programmed to control other devices? Are you sure you are following the directions correctly (sorry for asking)? You need to press '1' on the number pad area not on the input list area (this got me the first time).

If you are doing everything correct you might want to try following the reset to factory default instruction for the remote. Then try again and make sure the LED on the remote is flashing as described in the manual.
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