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post #1561 of 6328
9/2/09 at 9:28am
I can't believe the Pio 320 is nowhere to be found in the top 100 DVD/Blu-ray player list on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers...ef=pd_ts_e_nav

That is a travesty. Especially when TWO models of Toshiba's XDE DVD player made the list.

We have to get this player more love!
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post #1562 of 6328
9/2/09 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by iontyre View Post

I can't believe the Pio 320 is nowhere to be found in the top 100 DVD/Blu-ray player list on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers...ef=pd_ts_e_nav

That is a travesty. Especially when TWO models of Toshiba's XDE DVD player made the list.

We have to get this player more love!

I think the problem is, Pioneer didn't give 51FD owners a reason to upgrade. Plus many felt burned for having to wait 8 months for DTS-MA decoding.
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post #1563 of 6328
9/2/09 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

I think the problem is, Pioneer didn't give 51FD owners a reason to upgrade. Plus many felt burned for having to wait 8 months for DTS-MA decoding.

the pioneer 320 offers three reasons to upgrade in my opinion:

- Faster startup times (19 seconds on 320 vs 33 seconds on 51) and Faster load times (5-15 seconds)
- Firmware over the internet
- Better playback for rental discs.

That said, the Pioneer 51 remains the second best value after the oppo in my opinion at the recent blowout pricing best buy offered.
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post #1564 of 6328
9/2/09 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

the pioneer 320 offers three reasons to upgrade in my opinion:

- Faster startup times (19 seconds on 320 vs 33 seconds on 51) and Faster load times (5-15 seconds)
- Firmware over the internet
- Better playback for rental discs.

That said, the Pioneer 51 remains the second best value after the oppo in my opinion at the recent blowout pricing best buy offered.

Considering the 51FD and 320 use the exact same SOC, differences in startup and load times should be comparable once the 51FD gets its latest FW. I assume you're comparing 3.34a (320) vs 1.32 (51FD)? In either case, we're comparing turtles vs turtles here anyway.
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post #1565 of 6328
9/2/09 at 11:33am
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

Considering the 51FD and 320 use the exact same SOC, differences in startup and load times should be comparable once the 51FD gets its latest FW. I assume you're comparing 3.34a (320) vs 1.32 (51FD)? In either case, we're comparing turtles vs turtles here anyway.

nearly 15 seconds quicker for powered off eject is huge for me.

I am comparing 3.34a for 320 and 1.33a for the 51fd.

biggest sell point is that you won't get clinched teeth each time you put a netflix disc in the 320! my 51s always had high disc error issues with rentals.
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post #1566 of 6328
9/2/09 at 12:21pm
We will see what the new firmware brings. Initially advertised at 15 seconds eject from off for he 05/51 Pioneer has yet to claim these advertised values or the 22 second disc load times unless they meant CD which I doubt.
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post #1567 of 6328
9/2/09 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

We will see what the new firmware brings. Initially advertised at 15 seconds eject from off for he 05/51 Pioneer has yet to claim these advertised values or the 22 second disc load times unless they meant CD which I doubt.

If the finalized version is anything like the beta for the 51, it actually increased powered off eject times to 33 seconds! it did cut down load times on most java discs.

The 320 is a lot quicker now with 3.34a
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post #1568 of 6328
9/2/09 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

If the finalized version is anything like the beta for the 51, it actually increased powered off eject times to 33 seconds! it did cut down load times on most java discs.

The 320 is a lot quicker now with 3.34a

Now being the key word

Hardware is virtually identical. Unless Pioneer decides to cripple the 51FD, the load times should be comparable after updates.
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post #1569 of 6328
9/2/09 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Auto-2 will help as mentioned below. It seems to do a better job, especially for kuro users.

Galaxy Quest's opening scene is a torture test with poorly flagged video and film edits that can easily trip up the recognition of some players.

The 320's beauty is really on film-based material (most movies out there). I have the galaxy quest dvd and will try it over the weekend and see if there's a better setting to address some of the video edits.

That makes sense, thank you. No worries about finding another setting, based on this. I am more concerned with film-based material anyway. I will give the Auto-2 a try as well.
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post #1570 of 6328
9/2/09 at 1:46pm
I just received my BDP-320 today and I had a question about the updates. Can you use the 3.34 update from the EU site or will it damage the player, or should I just update to 3.25? Also, I have the Samsung LN52A850, and I wanted to know if I should use the RGB or YcBcR setting for the picture, or should I just set it to Auto? I'm sorry if these questions were answered already, I just got the player and want to get it set up as soon as possible without looking through every post. Thank you in advance to whoever can help me out.
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post #1571 of 6328
9/2/09 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by HDMaDnEsS View Post

I just received my BDP-320 today and I had a question about the updates. Can you use the 3.34 update from the EU site or will it damage the player, or should I just update to 3.25? Also, I have the Samsung LN52A850, and I wanted to know if I should use the RGB or YcBcR setting for the picture, or should I just set it to Auto? I'm sorry if these questions were answered already, I just got the player and want to get it set up as soon as possible without looking through every post. Thank you in advance to whoever can help me out.

ycbcr with auto. 3.34 is fine.

do yourself a favor and re-read thepast few pages. thanks
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post #1572 of 6328
9/2/09 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

ycbcr with auto. 3.34 is fine.

do yourself a favor and re-read thepast few pages. thanks

Thanks for the help i appreciate it,sorry i didnt read the past few pages just excited about my new player,again thanks for the help winston
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post #1573 of 6328
9/2/09 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

We will see what the new firmware brings. Initially advertised at 15 seconds eject from off for he 05/51 Pioneer has yet to claim these advertised values or the 22 second disc load times unless they meant CD which I doubt.

Time and time again I've posted counter claim to your claim that the 22 sec disc load times is impossible. Non Java discs WILL play in about 22 seconds. Several Alliance Canada BD (no menu, goes straight to the movie) have been able to be played within and/or around 22 second mark. Try it out yourself.
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post #1574 of 6328
9/2/09 at 6:28pm
Give me one title that loads in 22 seconds to the main menu or start of the film. I have never seen a bluray or dvd load in less than 30 seconds. Let's put this in perspective this player takes 22 seconds to load a cd. Most bluray players due it in less than 5 seconds. You have never once given a specific example of a bluray title that loads that fast. Any non BD-J title will do. I have many and none load in under 30 seconds.
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post #1575 of 6328
9/2/09 at 7:28pm
hey, if you love the other players so much (I have yet to witness a BD player that can load in less 5 seconds) why don't you just buy them and not buy Pioneer?

It's only a very select but extremely vocal few that keep on beating on the speed performance as if it's the only thing that matters.
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post #1576 of 6328
9/2/09 at 7:43pm
the 3.34 firmware is on the us site but only for download to cd-r not for internet for direct software download to the unit. do you think it will be?
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post #1577 of 6328
9/2/09 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

Give me one title that loads in 22 seconds to the main menu or start of the film. I have never seen a bluray or dvd load in less than 30 seconds. Let's put this in perspective this player takes 22 seconds to load a cd. Most bluray players due it in less than 5 seconds. You have never once given a specific example of a bluray title that loads that fast. Any non BD-J title will do. I have many and none load in under 30 seconds.

some of the univeral discs may be close. will time there will be blood. it gets close to 22 seconds - quick one though? didn't pioneer make that claim on the 51? the 320 is faster than the 51 and i don't think pioneer made any promises about speed...
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post #1578 of 6328
9/2/09 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

hey, if you love the other players so much (I have yet to witness a BD player that can load in less 5 seconds) why don't you just buy them and not buy Pioneer?


It's only a very select but extremely vocal few that keep on beating on the speed performance as if it's the only thing that matters.

Let's put this in perspective this player takes 22 seconds to load a cd. Most bluray players due it in less than 5 seconds.
I was referring to cd playback with the 5 second comment, which the Pioneer's take 20+ seconds to load. Obviously, the disc recognition is beyond slow in these players.

Again you are dodging the issue without any specific examples. If Pioneer wouldn't have overmarketed the capabilities of the player no one would care, but they did to stating it would be one of the fastest on the market when in actuality it is easily the slowest. engadget and gizmodo got the same hype. The press release said it was as fast as a dvd player which it is not even close.

Initially on the 320/23fd the Jan. press release made claims to the fast speed with these remarks removed from the later press release from June I believe.
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post #1579 of 6328
9/2/09 at 10:00pm
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

the 3.34 firmware is on the us site but only for download to cd-r not for internet for direct software download to the unit. do you think it will be?

Don't know about direct internet download, but I just updated using disc and it worked fine.
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post #1580 of 6328
9/3/09 at 12:08am
I find it really strange that some 'complain' about the loadingtimes.

First of all the difference between the various players is in seconds (seconds!) and what are a those few seconds on a 2h/2,5h movie?

Quality should prevail over simple loadingtimes.
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post #1581 of 6328
9/3/09 at 2:37am
hi guys

I have the two players in my home cinema for me the fast loads from 51 to 320 is not imported to me the quilty of the picture and sound is.
when i try the 51 to 320 the best picture was the 51 the picture was much better on blu ray on dvd I did not try it and the players has the last updates.

to let you know that I am THX Certified Professional Home Theater 2

THANKS
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post #1582 of 6328
9/3/09 at 4:48am
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Originally Posted by SaNDuTjE View Post

I find it really strange that some 'complain' about the loadingtimes.

First of all the difference between the various players is in seconds (seconds!) and what are a those few seconds on a 2h/2,5h movie?

Quality should prevail over simple loadingtimes.


:thumbup:
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post #1583 of 6328
9/3/09 at 4:50am
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Originally Posted by novasol View Post

Don't know about direct internet download, but I just updated using disc and it worked fine.

I did it by cd-r rather than wait. Just a concern that this was one of the selling points of the player. In the last couple of years I have had The 05 the denon 3800 (to me overpriced and over rated) and Not I got the 23 to match my newer SC-27. This has produced the best to my eyes pQ in my home theatre. No hiccups, dropouts or freezes. I believe the PQ at least equeal to the 05. My humble opinion. Load times are the least of my concerns.
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post #1584 of 6328
9/3/09 at 5:16am
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

the pioneer 320 offers three reasons to upgrade in my opinion:

- Faster startup times (19 seconds on 320 vs 33 seconds on 51) and Faster load times (5-15 seconds)
- Firmware over the internet
- Better playback for rental discs.

That said, the Pioneer 51 remains the second best value after the oppo in my opinion at the recent blowout pricing best buy offered.

But, the 320's DACs appear to be of lower quality than the 51's. Which kills much of the above benefits.

With 3D players coming out next year, it might not make sense to people to buy a player with marginal improvements at best this year.
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post #1585 of 6328
9/3/09 at 5:44am
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If you're using analogues. With the advent of newer processing modes like audyssey dsx and dolby pliiz, hdmi transport is regaining ground as the way to go if you have a set up. Don't get me wrong, I love the dacs of the 51 (don't think you'll hear a diff bw the 320 and 51 in a movie, music maybe), but the new matrixing and traditional room correction and bass mgmt outside of xover setting has me moving back to an hdmi setup.

End of the day, most of us are now using hdmi exclusively, which sadly cuts the dacs out of the question save analogue audio for cd playback. The 15 second faster powered off eject time is a huge difference to me. Not to mention avoiding a nervous ulcer each time I put in a rental disc a la the 51
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post #1586 of 6328
9/3/09 at 8:35am
Hello all,

Wondered of you could help me!

I have just bought a BDP-320, here in the States, but am wondering how to play zone 2 DVDs as we are over here from France for a couple of years...

Is there a trick with the remote to 'de-zone' the monster?

Thanks
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post #1587 of 6328
9/3/09 at 3:55pm
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

which sadly cuts the dacs out of the question save analogue audio for cd playback.

Ah but CD playback is important!

I have the 51FD hooked up to an analog preamp for CD, and everything else goes HDMI.
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post #1588 of 6328
9/3/09 at 4:48pm
the update firmware page is down on the pioneer site (canada) for my BDP-23FD

can anyone else confirm that?

Cheers

Gary
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post #1589 of 6328
9/4/09 at 12:42am
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Originally Posted by garemz View Post

the update firmware page is down on the pioneer site (canada) for my BDP-23FD

can anyone else confirm that?

Cheers

Gary

No problems here.
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post #1590 of 6328
9/4/09 at 5:11am
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

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If you're using analogues. With the advent of newer processing modes like audyssey dsx and dolby pliiz, hdmi transport is regaining ground as the way to go if you have a set up. Don't get me wrong, I love the dacs of the 51 (don't think you'll hear a diff bw the 320 and 51 in a movie, music maybe), but the new matrixing and traditional room correction and bass mgmt outside of xover setting has me moving back to an hdmi setup.

End of the day, most of us are now using hdmi exclusively, which sadly cuts the dacs out of the question save analogue audio for cd playback. The 15 second faster powered off eject time is a huge difference to me. Not to mention avoiding a nervous ulcer each time I put in a rental disc a la the 51

hi,

I am not using analogues or audyssey dsx and dolby pliiz I am using HDMI from Blu ray to DVDO VP50pro to Receiver out to projector still the sound is better 51 then 320.

About the picture see form yourself I am send you some picture from the 51
This photos was take by iphone .

THANKS
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