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post #331 of 6329
5/18/09 at 8:35am
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I have no idea. The larger ROM was mentioned by walkamo, IIRC. It was stated that the smaller ROM on the 05/51 was making the DTS HD MA firmware update difficult.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=396
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post #332 of 6329
5/18/09 at 9:04am
IMO.... The 320/23 seems to be the best option for a new player.. It's profile 2.0, has a solid de-interlacer, and handles all of the current SD/BD audio formats.. It will be tough to beat these units when on sale.
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post #333 of 6329
5/18/09 at 9:07am
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=396

The 320 is becoming a better hedge on dts hd ma as well...Chris from Pioneer's email had beta firmware referenced on the 51FD since april and there was word later that it was in QA promised for Mid May. Unfortunately, as of May 18th, it has yet to be released. My 320 decoded it out of the box.
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post #334 of 6329
5/18/09 at 3:07pm
I've got a 23 coming. I've been told it may not be available until June though. Hopefully someone gets one soon and gives us a review.

If it's no better than the 320 I wouldn't mind spending less for the 320. However, if it's not as good as the Oppo I may decide to pony up for that one.

Cheers!
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post #335 of 6329
5/18/09 at 3:31pm
I have the Oppo BDP-83 and I'm considering to return it this week, because I don't care to use for most of its features. I might order the 320 at amazon.com, because I want an excellent blu-ray player with excellent 2 channel analog sound for audio cds, and excellent blu-ray and dvd performance. My questions on the 320 are:
1. Does it have the same glitches as the late build 51FD with FOX blu-ray movies?
2. Does it offer the same pq as the 51fd and same dvd performance?
3. Are there any glitches that I should be aware of?
4. Will Netflix blu-ray movie rentals work flawlessly on the 320?

If I do order the 320 and return the Oppo, I know that I will have slower loading times, but in return I will get better 2 channel analog outputs to use it as a cd player and perhaps better pq. With the $180-$200 difference I can use it towards buying blu-ray movies, or put it towards my car payment.
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post #336 of 6329
5/18/09 at 4:17pm
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I have the Oppo BDP-83 and I'm considering to return it this week, because I don't care to use for most of its features. I might order the 320 at amazon.com, because I want an excellent blu-ray player with excellent 2 channel analog sound for audio cds, and excellent blu-ray and dvd performance. My questions on the 320 are:
1. Does it have the same glitches as the late build 51FD with FOX blu-ray movies?
2. Does it offer the same pq as the 51fd and same dvd performance?
3. Are there any glitches that I should be aware of?
4. Will Netflix blu-ray movie rentals work flawlessly on the 320?

If I do order the 320 and return the Oppo, I know that I will have slower loading times, but in return I will get better 2 channel analog outputs to use it as a cd player and perhaps better pq. With the $180-$200 difference I can use it towards buying blu-ray movies, or put it towards my car payment.

1. No
2. Supposedly same pq and definitely the same layer change delay.
3. See above.
4. I had no problems but there will always be abused/battered discs

What makes you say the 320 will have better 2ch?

My 320 produced jaggies on some dvds unless I had the display (Kuro) de-interlace. I've read the Oppo is fantastic with dvd pq.

By all means return the Oppo if it is cutting into your expenses. I just returned my 320 today and expect my Oppo to ship this week. We could have swapped.
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post #337 of 6329
5/18/09 at 6:24pm
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Originally Posted by gearguy77 View Post

My 320 produced jaggies on some dvds unless I had the display (Kuro) de-interlace. I've read the Oppo is fantastic with dvd pq.

Well.... This is the first I've heard of the 320 having jaggies.. You didn't provide enough information.. What was the name of the disc(s).. Are they all SD, BD or both.. What scenes.. What resolution & player settings were you in? I find it hard to believe the kuro has a better de-interlacer than the 320 unless it's useing the same one from the bdp09.. Maybe there's a conflict between the two de-interlacers being on at the same time? Please give more details so others here can try to duplicate this issue to see what the actual cause may be.. Thanks.
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post #338 of 6329
5/18/09 at 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by Sound & Vision View Post

This is the first I've heard of the 320 having jaggies.. You didn't provide enough information.. What was the name of the disc(s).. Are thry all SD, BD or both.. What scenes.. What resolution/player settings were you in? I find it hard to believe the kuro has a better de-interlacer than the 320 unless it's useing the same one from the bdp09.. Maybe there's a conflict between the two de-interlacers being on at the same time? Please give more details so others may try to duplicat it as well.. Thanks.

I have not encountered any jaggies on my 320 and have used it heavily. I would say the oppo is slightly better and its advantages are only visible on my 50" kuro. The images are indentical on my 46" sony z series.
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post #339 of 6329
5/18/09 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by Kage View Post

I have the Oppo BDP-83 and I'm considering to return it this week, because I don't care to use for most of its features. I might order the 320 at amazon.com, because I want an excellent blu-ray player with excellent 2 channel analog sound for audio cds, and excellent blu-ray and dvd performance. My questions on the 320 are:
1. Does it have the same glitches as the late build 51FD with FOX blu-ray movies?
2. Does it offer the same pq as the 51fd and same dvd performance?
3. Are there any glitches that I should be aware of?
4. Will Netflix blu-ray movie rentals work flawlessly on the 320?

If I do order the 320 and return the Oppo, I know that I will have slower loading times, but in return I will get better 2 channel analog outputs to use it as a cd player and perhaps better pq. With the $180-$200 difference I can use it towards buying blu-ray movies, or put it towards my car payment.

Kage, I faced a similar dilemma with an oppo versus 320 a little while I ago for my bedroom. I settled on the 320 in the end. The load times are annoying on the 320, but BD PQ is identical best i can tell. SD upconversion is pretty damn close, but better on the oppo if your display is large enough to show its benefits. I have not had any trouble with Netflix rentals on the 320 (roughly ten), but did have trouble on the 51 (experienced about a 20% fail rate). The error correction does seem better on the 320 or i just had a sensitive 51.

My local Pioneer rep has the 320 for $15 less than amazon. That is nearly $200 less than the oppo shipped. If you are not interested in DVDA or SACD playback, I think most folks would be best suited pocketing the $200 and grow a little more patience with the 320. I do not know about the 23FD. If it proves faster, then it might be worth its price. If not, I would opt for the 320, especially if you're relying on HDMI transport.
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post #340 of 6329
5/18/09 at 7:12pm
I had a 51 but had to return it because it wouldnt pass the new codecs via hdmi with component hooked up, all other bluray players except the sony 350 would be able to do this, is the 320 going to be able to do it?
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post #341 of 6329
5/18/09 at 7:15pm
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I had a 51 but had to return it because it wouldnt pass the new codecs via hdmi with component hooked up, all other bluray players except the sony 350 would be able to do this, is the 320 going to be able to do it?

This is one of the stupid "features" of the 05 over the 51. I have not tried it on the 320. You could run analogues out from your 51 or 320 to your receiver and component simulatenously. The DACs are pretty good in both and might be as good as the receivers. Just a thought since you're likely not video switching with your receiver.
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post #342 of 6329
5/18/09 at 7:17pm
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Originally Posted by AndyGood View Post

I had a 51 but had to return it because it wouldnt pass the new codecs via hdmi with component hooked up, all other bluray players except the sony 350 would be able to do this, is the 320 going to be able to do it?

either way you're foregoing the upscaling benefits of the 51 (or any player) this way. you might want to look into an hdfury if you're not planning on upgrading your display to hdmi in the near future.
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post #343 of 6329
5/18/09 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

This is one of the stupid "features" of the 05 over the 51. I have not tried it on the 320. You could run analogues out from your 51 or 320 to your receiver and component simulatenously. The DACs are pretty good in both and might be as good as the receivers. Just a thought since you're likely not video switching with your receiver.

I ordered one from Amazon, if it is like the 51 in this regard, I am not going to keep it.
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post #344 of 6329
5/18/09 at 7:19pm
The Oppo will play MKV container content through its USB port...how about the Pioneer? This plus the faster load times are what have me leaning towards Oppo.
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post #345 of 6329
5/18/09 at 7:26pm
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Originally Posted by AndyGood View Post

I ordered one from Amazon, if it is like the 51 in this regard, I am not going to keep it.

check out p16 of the pdf manual. pioneer's yoda-like english makes me think you should cancel your order. who knows - it's damn confusing.

Update: the 23FD manual has similar language
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post #346 of 6329
5/18/09 at 7:41pm
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

check out p16 of the pdf manual. pioneer's yoda-like english makes me think you should cancel your order. who knows - it's damn confusing.

Update: the 23FD manual has similar language

oh no........I will, I am going to be really mad, this freakin thing
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post #347 of 6329
5/18/09 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by AndyGood View Post

oh no........I will, I am going to be really mad, this freakin thing

andy, i would consider at least trying the 7.1 analogue connection...
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post #348 of 6329
5/18/09 at 8:19pm
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Bit pricey though - about the price of the oppo shipped.
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post #349 of 6329
5/18/09 at 9:15pm
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Kage, I faced a similar dilemma with an oppo versus 320 a little while I ago for my bedroom. I settled on the 320 in the end. The load times are annoying on the 320, but BD PQ is identical best i can tell. SD upconversion is pretty damn close, but better on the oppo if your display is large enough to show its benefits. I have not had any trouble with Netflix rentals on the 320 (roughly ten), but did have trouble on the 51 (experienced about a 20% fail rate). The error correction does seem better on the 320 or i just had a sensitive 51.

My local Pioneer rep has the 320 for $15 less than amazon. That is nearly $200 less than the oppo shipped. If you are not interested in DVDA or SACD playback, I think most folks would be best suited pocketing the $200 and grow a little more patience with the 320. I do not know about the 23FD. If it proves faster, then it might be worth its price. If not, I would opt for the 320, especially if you're relying on HDMI transport.

Winston9332, thanks for your advice. I just ordered the 320 from amazon.com and I think that it is the best blu-ray player for my needs, since I do not have interested in the extra features such as sacd (no title interest me) and dvd-a (no title interest me) playback that is offered on the Oppo. I have a 37 inch Sharp Aquos 768p LCD display and will upgrade to a 46 inch LED or LCD display in the summer that I may not notice a difference between dvd pq between both players. With the $180 difference in my favor between the Oppo and the 320, I could put it towards a new display.
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post #350 of 6329
5/19/09 at 2:32am
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Thanks! [IMG]http://www.*****************/trafficreport/img/3721/k08t1221bbuq/gdsmile.gif[/IMG]

Maybe it's really worth it to have 320 even without a netflix.
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post #351 of 6329
5/19/09 at 2:47am
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Originally Posted by Kage View Post

I have a 37 inch Sharp Aquos 768p LCD display and will upgrade to a 46 inch LED or LCD display in the summer that I may not notice a difference between dvd pq between both players.

Of course you won't notice a difference on a set that size and that resolution.
(37" 720p) but you may see a difference on the 46" and for sure on a 50".
I own a Marantz BD8002 (a $2,000 player) , Panny BDK 55 and an Oppo 83. The Oppo
bests or equals them all.

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post #352 of 6329
5/19/09 at 5:12am
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Originally Posted by Kage View Post

Winston9332, thanks for your advice. I just ordered the 320 from amazon.com and I think that it is the best blu-ray player for my needs, since I do not have interested in the extra features such as sacd (no title interest me) and dvd-a (no title interest me) playback that is offered on the Oppo. I have a 37 inch Sharp Aquos 768p LCD display and will upgrade to a 46 inch LED or LCD display in the summer that I may not notice a difference between dvd pq between both players. With the $180 difference in my favor between the Oppo and the 320, I could put it towards a new display.

You are definitely best off investing more in your display than your player. I would be very surprised if you could tell the difference between the 320 and the oppo at 37".
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post #353 of 6329
5/19/09 at 6:08am
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Maybe it's really worth it to have 320 even without a netflix.

I'd like to have the Oppo and netflix but what can I say....hard times.
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post #354 of 6329
5/19/09 at 6:15am
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Originally Posted by Sound & Vision View Post

So the 320 also offers a larger ROM size for its firmware over the 51.. How much larger is it? The 320 just arrived at my local Bestbuy store.. There currently selling them for $399.99.

I think the 320 would download the firmware to its built-in 1GB memory that it also uses for BD-Live. Kind of like the PS3 downloading firmware to its hard drive.
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post #355 of 6329
5/19/09 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by Cattledog View Post

Of course you won't notice a difference on a set that size and that resolution.
(37" 720p) but you may see a difference on the 46" and for sure on a 50".
I own a Marantz BD8002 (a $2,000 player) , Panny BDK 55 and an Oppo 83. The Oppo
bests or equals them all.

CD

But you do not own the 320 or the 23?? This craps getting so old buddy, does Oppo pay you guys to go into other threads and hawk thier machines??
To be the best, you gotta beat the best.
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post #356 of 6329
5/19/09 at 6:31am
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

You are definitely best off investing more in your display than your player. I would be very surprised if you could tell the difference between the 320 and the oppo at 37".

With the refund from Oppo, I will use it towards a new display.
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post #357 of 6329
5/19/09 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by Kage View Post

With the refund from Oppo, I will use it towards a new display.

Think that's nearly a universal statement. While there are many factors to consider, I would also strongly recommend you consider a plasma along with the LED set when you make your ultimate purchase. You might come to the realization you're spending twice as much on the LED to get you back to where a plasma would have you. Once again, there is a HUGE caveat that each user has their own needs (gaming, SD content, energy consumption, room lighting etc), but the value proposition might push you towards a nice plasma sub $1500.
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post #358 of 6329
5/19/09 at 8:50am
I don't want to jump the gun yet but I know at least one AVS forum sponsor who says he can ship me a 23fd that he has in stock now for a pretty dang good price and I'm considering it although if it really isn't any different than the 320 then I'd probably just save the extra coin.

An extra year on parts and labor warranty with the Elite is nice, though, especially for the price I got quoted.

He surprised me considering this supposedly wasn't due out until June.
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post #359 of 6329
5/19/09 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ View Post

I don't want to jump the gun yet but I know at least one AVS forum sponsor who says he can ship me a 23fd that he has in stock now for a pretty dang good price and I'm considering it although if it really isn't any different than the 320 then I'd probably just save the extra coin.

An extra year on parts and labor warranty with the Elite is nice, though, especially for the price I got quoted.

He surprised me considering this supposedly wasn't due out until June.

I have not tested a 23FD, but if you're using HDMI transport, I think the value proposition of the 23FD is reduced as the priced encroached the $500 mark and the Oppo. If load times or SD DVD upconversion are better on the 23FD, then all bets are off. It offers the same PQ and load times, I would think the HDMI user would be best off opting for the 320 and investing in media. The 23FD's benefits seems to be localized to a superior analogue section and MC PQLS.
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5/19/09 at 9:22am
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

I have not tested a 320, but if you're using HDMI transport, I think the value proposition of the 23FD is reduced as the priced encroached the $500 mark and the Oppo. If load times or SD DVD upconversion are better on the 23FD, then all bets are off. It offers the same PQ and load times, I would think the HDMI user would be best off opting for the 320 and investing in media. The 23FD's benefits seems to be localized to a superior analogue section and MC PQLS.


What's going to happen for me is that my Yamaha 2700 does not pass Deep Color being HDMI 1.2a only so I will be using the analog outputs for audio and HDMI from the player directly to my TV. This is the only way I'll get the full benefit of the 36-48 bit setup that a number of these players offer.

Load times aren't the end of the world for me and my DVD viewing is very limited.
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