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post #4111 of 6329
6/28/10 at 10:04pm
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Hello knowledgeable gents',

Long time reader here - not so much on posting because I don't have a lot of knowledge to share Given that, I was hoping you might be able to help me out with a few questions. I skimmed through this thread as much as I could before I started asking questions.

Just hooked up to my BDP-23fd over the weekend and am liking it so far. Audio is great. Video....has left something to be desired. Colors are kind of dull. I have everything connected via HDMI. Player is connected to a Pio Elite VSX-23 connected to a Kuro Plasma.

Any suggestions on how to adjust the colors? Colors look a bit, 'washed out'. Definitely an upgarde of SD - but not entirely what I was expecting.

Also, last question, I have, 'PCM' showing up on my receiver when watching a BD. Is that fine/what it is supposed to be showing?

Thanks in advance and I appreciate any help (sorry for the long post)

Michael

PQ is dependent on a few varied factors. One of the first things being your personal preferences. What's dull to you may be spot on to others who want a more natural look and less "pop." Another thing is not all BDs are created equal. The gamut of PQ in BDs will run from ok to outstanding depending on the transfer. And when they're just ok, they're only marginally better than their DVD counterpart.

But aside from that, with your equipment you should be choosing Pioneer PDP or Professional from the Video Adjust menu. In addition, you may also have to calibrate your display. One of the really nice features of the PIO BD player is that if you are not satisified with default vanilla video adjustments, you can tweak them with that same Video Adjust menu. Just make your adjustments and they'll be stored in Memory 1,2 or 3.

As for audio, to take full advantage of your equipment and the lossless codecs such as Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA, you should select "Auto" for HDMI Audio Out. I would also make sure to set HDMI high speed transmission to "On." BTW, your VSX-23's display will show the correct codec for that particular BD ie; Dolby TrueHD or DTS-Master Audio, instead of PCM.

Mike T
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6/28/10 at 10:36pm
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Originally Posted by mike-tee View Post

PQ is dependent on a few varied factors. One of the first things being your personal preferences. What's dull to you may be spot on to others who want a more natural look and less "pop." Another thing is not all BDs are created equal. The gamut of PQ in BDs will run from ok to outstanding depending on the transfer. And when they're just ok, they're only marginally better than their DVD counterpart.

But aside from that, with your equipment you should be choosing Pioneer PDP or Professional from the Video Adjust menu. In addition, you may also have to calibrate your display. One of the really nice features of the PIO BD player is that if you are not satisified with default vanilla video adjustments, you can tweak them with that same Video Adjust menu. Just make your adjustments and they'll be stored in Memory 1,2 or 3.

As for audio, to take full advantage of your equipment and the lossless codecs such as Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA, you should select "Auto" for HDMI Audio Out. I would also make sure to set HDMI high speed transmission to "On." BTW, your VSX-23's display will show the correct codec for that particular BD ie; Dolby TrueHD or DTS-Master Audio, instead of PCM.

Mike T

Mike T, thank you so much for your response and help! You the Man

Just changed the audio to, 'Auto' and now instead of PCM, I have, DTS-HD Mstr showing on the receiver. I'm guessing that's the better choice over PCM? Still trying to figure all of it out - sorry for being a Noob.

Zero clue how to calibrate my display. I have it currently set to PPDP but I'll switch it to Professional so hopefully that'll give the BD's a little more color?
I'll keep tweaking the settings to hopefully get it the way I want it.

Thanks again for your help!

Michael
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post #4113 of 6329
6/29/10 at 5:09am
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Originally Posted by MD Boy View Post

Mike T, thank you so much for your response and help! You the Man

Just changed the audio to, 'Auto' and now instead of PCM, I have, DTS-HD Mstr showing on the receiver. I'm guessing that's the better choice over PCM? Still trying to figure all of it out - sorry for being a Noob.

Zero clue how to calibrate my display. I have it currently set to PPDP but I'll switch it to Professional so hopefully that'll give the BD's a little more color?
I'll keep tweaking the settings to hopefully get it the way I want it.

Thanks again for your help!

Michael

In the Auto (bitstreaming) position, you will not get secondary audio, which needs to be mixed in with the main content. Personally, I leave mine in Auto and listen to the secondary audio (requiring PCM output) once in a blue moon.

Leave calibration to a professional, whom has the proper equipment and experience. And you should get it done.
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post #4114 of 6329
6/29/10 at 6:22am
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Originally Posted by howboutthis View Post

So, I've read through this thread (and my eyes hurt). I have the BDP-320.

When people refer to setting the Progressive to +2 (or two clicks to the right), what specifically are they referring to?

In the setting, there appear to be 8 steps, with 4 being the midpoint or default value in the Professional pre-set. At least, please assume this when considering my question.

When people refer to +2 are they saying 2 from the left (which would be 2 out of the 8 possible)? Or, are they saying move the slider 2 more clicks to the right (which would be 6 out of 8)?

I hope my question makes sense. Thanks for your help.

I'll rephrase this. You all have been very helpful in my determination to get the 320 for DVD duty (and occasionally Blu). I hope to repay later on.

I had the video settings at "Professional". Then I changed Cinema to Auto2. I am confused by the recommendations for Progressive Motion.

The progressive motion scale ranges from -4 to 4 with 0 the default (-4 to the left and +4 to the right). When people refer to two clicks to the right, are they saying, set motion to -2 or to 2.

Many thanks.
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post #4115 of 6329
6/29/10 at 10:23am
The fan runs a lot, even in a climate controlled room, after little use. I am considering opening the unit up and unplugging it if possible.
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post #4116 of 6329
6/29/10 at 11:07am
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Originally Posted by tubeheadEL34 View Post

The fan runs a lot, even in a climate controlled room, after little use. I am considering opening the unit up and unplugging it if possible.

Since the fan does not run from the moment you turn it on, I would think there is a temperature sensor activating it. Disabling the fan could adversely affect your unit.
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post #4117 of 6329
6/29/10 at 3:15pm
It's possible that some of these units don't even need cooling (like the oppo 80). I wonder if the fan activates based on a heat sensor or whether it's just designed to turn on after a certain time. Once it goes on after a few minutes, it will run all day regardless of whether a movie is being played, or whether it is in standby mode. This, in an air conditioned room.
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post #4118 of 6329
6/29/10 at 5:51pm
Anyone have any suggestions if I should sell it cheap or keep it even though its around a month old and works and looks flawlessly ?
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post #4119 of 6329
6/29/10 at 7:15pm
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Originally Posted by TheFactor View Post

Anyone have any suggestions if I should sell it cheap or keep it even though its around a month old and works and looks flawlessly ?

"Just for the badge"

Every man must determine for himself the degree to which he is subject to vanity.
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post #4120 of 6329
6/29/10 at 7:20pm
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"Just for the badge"

Every man must determine for himself the degree to which he is subject to vanity.

LOL I've been told before im very materialistic
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post #4121 of 6329
6/30/10 at 4:50am
Hello folks

Well I just purchased the 320 as my Sony BDP 350 just died. I have a 5080 display as well. I have been reading through this thread and finally hooked the 320 up last night. I did the update and everything is fine.

I am confused though....I read the first page of this thread and can't find where/how to make these adjustments?? Can anyone give me some guidance?

I have a Kuro PDP, what is the best setting for video?
Professional has the least adjustment. Pioneer PDP actually has the following adjustments:

Pioneer PDP:

Progressive Motion: 4
Pure Cinema: auto1
YNR: 3
CNR: 0
BNR: 0
MNR: 0
Detail: 5
White Level: 4
Black Level: 4
Black Setup: 7.5 IRE
Gamma Correction: 4
Hue:4
Chroma Level:4

Professional:

Progressive Motion: 4
Pure Cinema: Auto1
YNR: 0
CNR:0
BNR:0
MNR:0
Detail:4
White Level:4
Black Level:4
Black Setup:4
Gamma Correction:4
Hue:4
Chroma Level:4

Also, I put Avatar in once my update was done to test it out quickly. I only watched about 10 minutes but "WOW"......this 320 seems noticiably better PQ than my Sony BDP 350 ....or am I dreaming. Anyway, I just wanted to watch the trailer for Avatar from the start options but could not find it. The start only had "PLAY, SETTINGS and SCENCES"??? Maybe it was late and I should of waited till today to try it out and I might of found my own answer.

Thanks in advance
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post #4122 of 6329
6/30/10 at 5:15am
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Originally Posted by jimmyj1 View Post

Hello folks

I am confused though....I read the first page of this thread and can't find where/how to make these adjustments?? Can anyone give me some guidance?

Thanks in advance

When you press the "Video Adjust" button, instead of clicking left or right to change the presets, click down to "Adjustments". That should bring up all of the detailed settings. I think that should get you where you want to be.

Now if somebody would only answer my question ...
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post #4123 of 6329
6/30/10 at 5:31am
Thanks for your reply.....

So when you say press the Video Adjust button, you mean on the 320 right? If so, is this when the blu ray disc is playing? I thought I pressed it but last night and nothing came up but maybe I am wrong.
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post #4124 of 6329
6/30/10 at 5:36am
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Originally Posted by howboutthis View Post

I'll rephrase this. You all have been very helpful in my determination to get the 320 for DVD duty (and occasionally Blu). I hope to repay later on.

I had the video settings at "Professional". Then I changed Cinema to Auto2. I am confused by the recommendations for Progressive Motion.

The progressive motion scale ranges from -4 to 4 with 0 the default (-4 to the left and +4 to the right). When people refer to two clicks to the right, are they saying, set motion to -2 or to 2.

Many thanks.

Plus 2.
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post #4125 of 6329
6/30/10 at 6:37am
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Originally Posted by jimmyj1 View Post

Thanks for your reply.....

So when you say press the Video Adjust button, you mean on the 320 right? If so, is this when the blu ray disc is playing? I thought I pressed it but last night and nothing came up but maybe I am wrong.

Yes on the 320. I don't recall being able to get the Video Adjust to come up without a disk being in the player. OK, that was confusing. I know you can get the Video Adjust to come up when a disk is in the player. I haven't tried to adjust when a Blu-ray was in though (I have only tried doing it when a DVD was loaded). That should work.
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post #4126 of 6329
6/30/10 at 6:39am
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Plus 2.

Thanks joerod. BTW, I really enjoy your reviews and your theater is amazing!
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post #4127 of 6329
7/1/10 at 11:06am
Fellow forum members,

If any of you have the DVD Men of Honor can you check to see if there is a substantial layer change on your BDP-320 or 23FD. The layer change is at the 57:58 mark. I've observed a 1½ to 2 second layer change that was repeatable.


Willie
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7/1/10 at 11:07am
Unplugged the fan on the 320 temporarily to see if it would quiet down. Was surprised that it was just as loud. It seems that the drive is the source of the noise - a constant swooshing sound. Clearly audible from 7ft away during quiet scenes, not loud, just audible. Mind you this is my first BD player I've had coming from a dvd player which was dead silent so I'm not sure if I am asking too much from a much more complex technology.
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7/1/10 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by tubeheadEL34 View Post

Unplugged the fan on the 320 temporarily to see if it would quiet down. Was surprised that it was just as loud. It seems that the drive is the source of the noise - a constant swooshing sound. Clearly audible from 7ft away during quiet scenes, not loud, just audible. Mind you this is my first BD player I've had coming from a dvd player which was dead silent so I'm not sure if I am asking too much from a much more complex technology.

tubeheadEL34,

I have yet to hear the fan come on from my viewing distance (8 ft) or any noise from the drive.


Willie
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post #4130 of 6329
7/1/10 at 11:35am
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

Fellow forum members,

If any of you have the DVD Men of Honor can you check to see if there is a substantial layer change on your BDP-320 or 23FD. The layer change is at the 57:58 mark. I've observed a 1½ to 2 second layer change that was repeatable.


Willie

trust you're running recent firmware willie...
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post #4131 of 6329
7/1/10 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

tubeheadEL34,

I have yet to hear the fan come from my viewing distance (8 ft) or any noise from the drive.


Willie

Mine is dead silent at 7-8 ft as well. Even after several hours of continuous use.
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7/1/10 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

Fellow forum members,

If any of you have the DVD Men of Honor can you check to see if there is a substantial layer change on your BDP-320 or 23FD. The layer change is at the 57:58 mark. I've observed a 1½ to 2 second layer change that was repeatable.


Willie

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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

trust you're running recent firmware willie...

Yes I am running the latest firmware. I thought the firmware prior to the last eradicated all layer changes, but I guess it was only known layer changes. I normally don't mind a layer change of less than a second but, 1½ to 2 second is a little on the long side. Hopefully, someone else can validate this. I have a list of 60 plus discs and their respective time stamps for layer changes. I may try a few more.

A somewhat incomplete list of DVDs with their respective layer change time stamps can be found here.


Willie
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post #4133 of 6329
7/1/10 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by Otokejr View Post

Mine is dead silent at 7-8 ft as well. Even after several hours of continuous use.

How quiet is your room? Possible the ambient room noise masks the player noise?
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7/1/10 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

tubeheadEL34,

I have yet to hear the fan come from my viewing distance (8 ft) or any noise from the drive.


Willie

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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

Fellow forum members,

If any of you have the DVD Men of Honor can you check to see if there is a substantial layer change on your BDP-320 or 23FD. The layer change is at the 57:58 mark. I've observed a 1½ to 2 second layer change that was repeatable.


Willie

Havent noticed when I played it on my 320
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Originally Posted by tubeheadEL34 View Post

How quiet is your room? Possible the ambient room noise masks the player noise?

My 320 is whisper quiet except when loading sometimes but thats normal and my room is quiet as far as ambient noise .
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post #4135 of 6329
7/1/10 at 4:18pm
Just curious if its the same firmware 3.65 for the 320 as the 23 . I have a 23 on the way and still have my firmware 3.65 on a cd-r that I burned for my 320. Anyone know if its the same ? Thanks in advance
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7/1/10 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

Fellow forum members,

If any of you have the DVD Men of Honor can you check to see if there is a substantial layer change on your BDP-320 or 23FD. The layer change is at the 57:58 mark. I've observed a 1½ to 2 second layer change that was repeatable.


Willie

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Originally Posted by TheFactor View Post


Havent noticed when I played it on my 320

TheFactor,

You checked this today at this specific time stamp?

I also verified it on my two other 320s and the layer change is the same length 1½ to 2 second. I then tried it on an old Toshiba SD-2200 DVD player at it was maybe a ½ second and last I tried it on another blu-ray player in my house and it was seamless. So we can rule out it being a disc issue. The time stamp above is the known spot for the layer change for Men of Honor.


Willie
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7/1/10 at 4:57pm
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TheFactor,

You checked this today at this specific time stamp?

I also verified it on my two other 320s and the layer change is the same length 1½ to 2 second. I then tried it on an old Denon SD-2200 DVD player at it was maybe a ½ second and last I tried it on another blu-ray player in my house and it was seamless. So we can rule out it being a disc issue. The time stamp above is the known spot for the layer change for Men of Honor.


Willie

No SS Willie I havent checked it on the time stamp you provided but when I get a chance I will but didnt notice it when watching the movie but wasnt looking for it either but i'll also check it on my 23fd when it arrives BTW You have 3 320's ? Are you collecting them lol Although I dont have room to talk because I have a total of four bluray players now , Two Sony 550's a Pio 320 and my soon to arrive Pio Elite 23fd
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7/1/10 at 5:57pm
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No SS Willie I havent checked it on the time stamp you provided but when I get a chance I will but didnt notice it when watching the movie but wasnt looking for it either but i'll also check it on my 23fd when it arrives BTW You have 3 320's ? Are you collecting them lol Although I dont have room to talk because I have a total of four bluray players now , Two Sony 550's a Pio 320 and my soon to arrive Pio Elite 23fd

Score Sheet
  • BDP-320 - Keeping Room
  • BDP-320 - Family Room
  • BDP-23FD - Home Theater
  • Oppo BDP-80 - Master Bedroom
  • Sony BDP-S1000ES - Guess Room
  • Oppo BDP-83SE - Home Theater

Over the past 18 months I've rolled over all my DVD players with the exception of my kid's rooms. Prior to this I hadn't bought a DVD player in 8+ years and my reference player in my home theater was a Sony DVP-S7700, which is now in my son's room and it is almost 10 years old and has never had an issue. The only way my current crop of players gets replaced is upon failure.

Other than the Oppo's I'm out less than $800.00.


SS Willie
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7/1/10 at 6:57pm
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Score Sheet
  • BDP-320 - Keeping Room
  • BDP-320 - Family Room
  • BDP-23FD - Home Theater
  • Oppo BDP-80 - Master Bedroom
  • Sony BDP-S1000ES - Guess Room
  • Oppo BDP-83SE - Home Theater

Over the past 18 months I've rolled over all my DVD players with the exception of my kid’s rooms. Prior to this I hadn't bought a DVD player in 8+ years and my reference player in my home theater was a Sony DVP-S7700, which is now in my son’s room and it is almost 10 years old and has never had an issue. The only way my current crop of players gets replaced is upon failure.

Other than the Oppo’s I’m out less than $800.00.


SS Willie

Wow nice score sheet SS Willie !! Hey before I forget to ask I notice you have a 320 and a 23FD so are you using the same Firmware update on both the 3.65 ? Because I already have it on a CD-R from when I updated my 320 so it would be cool if I can use that for my 23fd when it arrives. No biggie though I could just download another but not if I dont have to . My score sheet is as follows: Sony 550 in my cats room Sony 550 in Main HT and my Pio 320 . My 23FD will more than likely replace my 550 and that will go in the master bedroom . Might sell the 320 if I run out of room and just roll the funds into my current collection lol
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7/1/10 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by tubeheadEL34 View Post

Unplugged the fan on the 320 temporarily to see if it would quiet down. Was surprised that it was just as loud. It seems that the drive is the source of the noise - a constant swooshing sound. Clearly audible from 7ft away during quiet scenes, not loud, just audible. Mind you this is my first BD player I've had coming from a dvd player which was dead silent so I'm not sure if I am asking too much from a much more complex technology.

I've never heard the fan on my 320 (I have confirmed it works by putting my hand behind the player).

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Havent noticed when I played it on my 320


My 320 is whisper quiet except when loading sometimes but thats normal and my room is quiet as far as ambient noise .

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