Pioneer BDP-320/BDP-23FD Owner's Thread - Page 149

I'll give it a try. Thanks

plays fine on my OPPO 83 I just got back..crazy blu's,ya just can't figure them out
still sticks on 23 fd and 51 fd

Unfortunately that does not work on all TV's. My VIZIO can display 24p just fine, and does if I use Source Direct on my BDP-320, but apparently the TV does not properly communicate with the player and when set to auto it just uses 1080/60 even on 1080/24 blu-rays.

Yeah, that's unfortunate. I have the Panasonic AE4000 and Marantz VP15S1 and works fine with both projectors.

I just bought my very first blue-ray player, a new Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD which I hooked the video up to the television via HDMI. All firmware updates are complete.

I have Hulk and Ironman movies in both, DVD and Blu-ray disc and so I did a side by side comparision of the blu-ray player against the DVD player.
When I viewed the "Hulk" and "Ironman" Blue-ray disc that I purchased, I was disappointed. The video quality was only better than my DVD players quality by a very small margin.


What could be the problem, settings within the BR player?
Both, the DVD player and the Blue Ray player are currently set to output 1080i via HDMI
(my television can't accept 1080p signal, the highest it can accept is 1080i, but then upscales it to 1080p.) The comparision was using the same television.


My DVD player is a Denon 3930ci DVD and my television is a 50 inch Sony Grand Wega SXRD KDS-R50XBR1

Try 720p.

huh...? but then the player will have upscale even more. Won't that degrade the issue?

Yup, the player should output 720p.

Bluray outputs at 1080p, it would actually downscale.

In my opinion 720p looks better than 1080i.

and it's progressive versus interlaced.

So... according to all the responces so far, are we all saying that the TV is the problem,
cause it cant accept 1080p?

However, both the Blue player and the DVD is set up to output 1080i, so I was comparing apples to apples.

I will try to set both to 720p when I get home and do another comparision.

I just check your manual and it say it can do 1080p or you sure.

You checked which manual? The TV or the Blue-ray?
If you checked the TV manual, it says it can do 1080p. However, it upscales all signals to 1080p, but can not accept a 1080p signal. The highest resolution the tv can accept is 1080i. It upscales everything to 1080p.

Yes, going from VHS to SD DVD is a large difference, whereas going from SD DVD to BluRay is a much smaller difference. But it should be very apparent (I have compared SD DVD and BD versions of Matrix, and see a significant difference on my 720p DLP). How far do you sit from your 50" display? If 7-8', you should see a difference. If >12', no wonder you don't see much of a difference. Also, is your display calibrated for optimal performance?

This appears to be a 50" 1080p display, so I don't understand this talk of 720p. [edit: now I do; it really doesn't accept 1080p sources, although the display itself is 1080p resolution. At the time this TV was made, there were no readily-available 1080p sources for consumers.]

How far away from the TV are you when making this evaluation? HD looks better the closer you get (within limits, obviously); the optimal viewing distance for 1080p on a 50" display is around 6 feet. See this chart:

http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

With any TV, and especially a rear projector, miscalibration can often mask the benefits of HD. If you haven't calibrated your display, doing so is strongly recommended. For starters, this thread may offer you some examples of optimized settings you can try.

I purchased SONY KDS-R60XBR1 TV April 2006. It is a bigger size TV which has same functions and capabilities. The TV was advertised as 1080p capable. Salesperson in a store said that it can show 1080p resolution pictures. He also said that I can watch movies in 1080p resolution where Blue-ray player is available. I have waited for the devices to be available at stores and finally bought a PlayStation 3 which has Blue-ray drive equipped. I connected the PS3 to this SONY KDS-R60XBR1 TV with Blue-Ray Movie put in the player by HDMI cable. I was frustrated by realizing this TV is not an actual 1080p TV. I called SONY. They say KDS-R60XBR1 is not a 1080p TV but 1080p display. SONY said that it just shows pictures that look like 1080p pictures. How can a TV with 1080p capability and 1080p term in the upfront not show any 1080p resolution pictures? Be careful this TV is not a 1080p TV. It's a 1080p display which the screen output may look like 1080p TV by their definitions. It sure does not make senses at all to me.

amazon.com/SONY-Grand-Wega-Projection-KDS-R50XBR1/product-reviews

My mistake I see what you talking about I went back and looked at user review on cnet. This is what he said TV cannot display any 1080p signals it up converts everything to 1080p, but cannot receive a 1080p signal from any source. Just try 720p and see what happens good luck. Which one is it up converts or down scales.

OK, I get it now. So try 1080i or 720p on the player and see which looks better. Everything else I said about seating distance and calibration stands.

You might have that a little backwards. It can receive a 1080p signal but downscales it to 1080i,720p,480 ect.

Viewing area is about 8 ft from tele. As far as a calibrated tele, that should not matter as I compared the DVD player and the Blue Ray player using the same television. Though I will do 'another' calibration on it tonight (I have some DVD calibrator disc)

And you also have to keep in mind there are bad Bluray transfers too.

If the source material sucks then it will just suck at any resolution.

But considering you spoke of Ironman as being one of the ones you viewed this is probably not the case.

No, he's right. 1080p display, but does not accept 1080p signals. Here is a review that makes it clear.

with respect... I do not have it backwards. My television can not accept a 1080p signal, per instruction manual. If my DVD player or BR player is set to output 1080p, the television screen goes black. It's designed this way.

The reason everybody wants to blame the TV is simply because we all know how much better BD looks than DVD on a good, calibrated display seen from the appropriate distance. So it's either the TV, or something about your expectations. It's entirely possible that some factor -- miscalibration, lamp age, distance -- softening the image enough that you can't see the benefits of increased resolution and color fidelity. And it's also possible that you're expecting a difference of orders of magnitude that your TV can't deliver.

It was a great TV -- 6 years ago. But projection displays do deteriorate over time, and meanwhile technology improves so that yesterday's "best" may be surpassed by today's "average."

lol, my bad. Seems kind of stupid.

It would be like building a high performance engine without being able to deliver the gas to make it run.

The reason I thought it was backwards because newer 720p TVs accept the 1080p signal but actually output it to 720p or 1080i.

Considering the quality of video I see at BestBuy, on their televisions that are playing BR discs, I dont feel my expectation is exceeding reality. I do however agree with you about the tv and it's possible deterioration. However this side by side comparision was done on the same 'deteriated' television. However, I will be keeping an eye out for a good deal on a new Television.

As for everyone's advice, I will try it tonight when I get home.

I think you may be putting too much emphasis on this. The TV may still be capable of displaying close to 100% of what its video processor can squeeze out of a DVD -- but not of displaying anything more.

I see what your say now.

I have Ironman on BD and DVD and the BD version is clearly better to me. I have a Panansonic 50" 1080p plasma and Panny BD-35 player.

The DVD version of Ironman is one of the better SD transfers though.

The first generation 1080p displays (including the SXRD and DLPs) could not accept 1080p inputs, but scaled all inputs to 1080p for viewing. The 2nd generation 1080p displays pretty much all accepted 1080p inputs. Also important to note is that the Denon 3930 is one of the best upscalers available. Your expectations may be too high, and/or the display (5 years old) does not maximize the difference.