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post #4771 of 6328
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

oppopioneer,

How are you timing your 23FD? I'm getting approximately 21 seconds on my 23FD (firmware 3.65) and the same on my 320 (firmware 3.54) to the Pioneer logo appearing on my screen and these times were repeatable.


Willie

I have my Pio 23FD bd player hooked up to a Pio Elite Kuro Pro-151FD plasma, both have the "Precision Quartz Lock" system that syncs them together in harmony.

Also, the button furthest down on the 23FD's remote called "Video Adjust" works specifically with a Pioneer plasma tv.

Right when I hit the Power button on the 23FD it says on the player's window "Power On" and then "Loading" and then "No Disc" and it takes 10 to 12 seconds for the player to go through those steps for the Pioneer logo to appear on the tv screen.
post #4772 of 6328
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Originally Posted by oppopioneer View Post

I have my Pio 23FD bd player hooked up to a Pio Elite Kuro Pro-151FD plasma, both have the "Precision Quartz Lock" system that syncs them together in harmony.

Also, the button furthest down on the 23FD's remote called "Video Adjust" works specifically with a Pioneer plasma tv.

Right when I hit the Power button on the 23FD it says on the player's window "Power On" and then "Loading" and then "No Disc" and it takes 10 to 12 seconds for the player to go through those steps for the Pioneer logo to appear on the tv screen.

My 23FD is also mated to a Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD via my AVR. My 320 is going directly to a LCD display in another room and the times are consistent with what I previously stated. What is the time you are getting from power on to the disc tray actually opening?

I guess in the grand scheme of things it's not that important, but interesting that our numbers are in two different ball parks.

Willie
post #4773 of 6328
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

My 23FD is also mated to a Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD via my AVR. My 320 is going directly to a LCD display in another room and the times are consistent with what I previously stated. What is the time you are getting from power on to the disc tray actually opening?

I guess in the grand scheme of things it's not that important, but interesting that our numbers are in two different ball parks.

Willie

My 320 is also connected to a 151 and my bootup time is about 19 seconds.
post #4774 of 6328
"People are stumbling across these players at different Best Buys and posting this information on the deals thread as though various Best Buys have these players in abundance.


Willie"

Yes unfortunately, I didn't realize that A. the BB near me was a magnolia store and B. that are the only stores selling them.
post #4775 of 6328
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

My 23FD is also mated to a Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD via my AVR. My 320 is going directly to a LCD display in another room and the times are consistent with what I previously stated. What is the time you are getting from power on to the disc tray actually opening?

I guess in the grand scheme of things it's not that important, but interesting that our numbers are in two different ball parks.

Willie

Boot up times tend to vary a bit from unit to unit. I have a 23fd (firmware 3.65) connected via HDMI to a VSX-23THX and my boot up is 15 seconds. Also takes 15 seconds for the tray to open if I hit the eject button while the unit is off. These times are both repeatable.
post #4776 of 6328
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post
My 23FD is also mated to a Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD via my AVR. My 320 is going directly to a LCD display in another room and the times are consistent with what I previously stated. What is the time you are getting from power on to the disc tray actually opening?

I guess in the grand scheme of things it's not that important, but interesting that our numbers are in two different ball parks.

Willie
Ok, for greater accuracy I brought my stop watch over and I'm getting around 14 to 16 seconds from when I hit the power button to when I'm able to open the tray, so my own counting in my head was off. Sorry about that, my bad.
post #4777 of 6328
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Originally Posted by oppopioneer View Post
I have my Pio 23FD bd player hooked up to a Pio Elite Kuro Pro-151FD plasma, both have the "Precision Quartz Lock" system that syncs them together in harmony.
PQLS is a mechanism for jitter free HDMI transmission of LPCM audio between BD player and AVR. It has no connection to your 151FD.

AJ
post #4778 of 6328
I never get the 16 seconds power up time with my 23. Repeatably, it's always 21-second boot-up.
post #4779 of 6328
Chip on Pioneer Bdp-320...I had because of SOC - System on Chip...under a radiator which...
post #4780 of 6328
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Originally Posted by oppopioneer View Post

Ok, for greater accuracy I brought my stop watch over and I'm getting around 14 to 16 seconds from when I hit the power button to when I'm able to open the tray, so my own counting in my head was off. Sorry about that, my bad.

oppopioneer,

You were posting times from counting in your head. (lol) Have you checked the batteries in that stop watch? I used a stop watch also and my times were consistent with maybe a 1/2 second variation. Your stopwatch is still showing a 2 second variation.


Willie
post #4781 of 6328
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

I never get the 16 seconds power up time with my 23. Repeatably, it's always 21-second boot-up.

David,

I get the same time consistently also. When the poster posted 10 - 12 seconds I started stratching my head. I guess we don't have that special firmware update.


Willie
post #4782 of 6328
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

David,

I get the same time consistently also. When the poster posted 10 - 12 seconds I started stratching my head. I guess we don't have that special firmware update.


Willie

If you hook up directly to a TV you can probably get the faster time.
post #4783 of 6328
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

My 320 is also connected to a 151 and my bootup time is about 19 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Ruined View Post

If you hook up directly to a TV you can probably get the faster time.

My 320 is connected directly to my 151 since my processor lacks HDMI.
post #4784 of 6328
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Originally Posted by Ruined View Post

If you hook up directly to a TV you can probably get the faster time.

you're being sarcastic, right?

I used to hook up the 23 to my PRO-111, I got 21-sec boot-up. To my projector via SC-05 and later on changed to SC-25 still 21-sec. Added a VP, still 21-sec. Even when not connected to anything it's still 21-sec.

Not that it matters (especially since I need to let the projector warm up a bit anyway), but I want that 12-sec boot-up firmware!
post #4785 of 6328
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Originally Posted by Ruined View Post

If you hook up directly to a TV you can probably get the faster time.

The time I reported the BDP-23 was through my AVR to my Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD and the time for the BDP-320 was directly to a LCD display and both were approximately 21 seconds and repeatable.


Willie
post #4786 of 6328
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

My 320 is connected directly to my 151 since my processor lacks HDMI.

Saturn94,

At least your time is relatively in the ball park. Are you using your watch or a stopwatch?


Willie
post #4787 of 6328
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Originally Posted by oppopioneer View Post

I have my Pio 23FD bd player hooked up to a Pio Elite Kuro Pro-151FD plasma, both have the "Precision Quartz Lock" system that syncs them together in harmony.

PQLS is only available between Pioneer's select receivers and Pioneer's BD players. Which in the process makes the BD player works as "slave" and the receiver as "master". A very effective method for PCM datastream. However, there is no Pioneer TV equipped with PQLS.

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Originally Posted by oppopioneer View Post

Also, the button furthest down on the 23FD's remote called "Video Adjust" works specifically with a Pioneer plasma tv.

It's virtually a video "EQ". Blacks are crushed using Pioneer Plasma TV setting. The correct setting for the 23 is "PRO" (or something along that line)
post #4788 of 6328
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

It's virtually a video "EQ". Blacks are crushed using Pioneer Plasma TV setting.

I'm not familar with the slang, I would assume that "crushed blacks" are good and the setting is correct for Video Adjust to be set to Pioneer Plasma?

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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

The correct setting for the 23 is "PRO" (or something along that line)

How would I go about setting it to Pro and what are it's benefits?
post #4789 of 6328
[quote=oppopioneer;19482683] Just got a shipping confirmation email from pioneer of the 23fd software update I just sent in a few days ago Thanks again for the link oppopioneer !!
post #4790 of 6328
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Originally Posted by oppopioneer View Post

...I would assume that "crushed blacks" are good...

You would assume fallaciously.

AJ
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

It's virtually a video "EQ". Blacks are crushed using Pioneer Plasma TV setting. The correct setting for the 23 is "PRO" (or something along that line)

What's the best Video Adjust setting for best PQ while hooked up to a Pio Elite Kuro Pro 151FD plasma?
post #4792 of 6328
I tried to play the BBC series Sherlock on blu-ray today on my 320. Disc starts up, and I get through the previews and get to the menu, but then I am stuck. You can move around the menu, but if you select anything it just resets back to the start of the menu with Play All lit up. I tried it on the Magnavox in the bedroom and it played fine. I hope there will be a firmware update for this...
post #4793 of 6328
even with the latest FW?
post #4794 of 6328
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post
even with the latest FW?
Just discovered new BDP-320 firmware (version 3.69a) was released on Thursday (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...320.Kuro?tab=F)

I've burned it to CD and will load it tomorrow, hope it fixes the issue with the Sherlock blu-ray.
post #4795 of 6328
Picked up the 320 at Best Buy for $99 @ the only location in the Denver area that could locate one in a box for me.

I thought I'd share a few observations re: DVD upconversion for the benefit of the forum members who may be wondering just how good their 320 is and who might occasionally second guess whether the 320's SD DVD picture would look any better with a player like the Oppo BDP-83 (short answer: not really). If you're interested in how I came to that conclusion, read on.



Background:

106" projection setup which I zoom down to around 84" when watching SD DVD. I would actually zoom a little smaller on most discs as I hate soft looking, blown up 480i material, but that's as far down as my projector will zoom from it's current location.

I've been using an Oppo BDP-83 for the past 1.5 years until I sold it less than 2 weeks ago for the same price I paid for it ($500). I sold it because I picked up a Denon 2310ci receiver on closeout at Best Buy last month for $339. This receiver has the same ABT 2010 chip as the BDP-83, and while not fully implemented with all the tweaking capabilities as in the Oppo, basic scaling and deinterlacing performance are identical between the 2 devices. Since I never used any of the advanced picture controls in the Oppo anyway, selling it made financial sense since the Denon would yield the same basic result (although I miss my Oppo already).

For the sake of my comparisons below, let's say the Oppo/ABT chip is a "10" out of 10 for upconversion. Mainly because if there is something better (i.e. possibly the Marvell chip), I personally haven't been exposed to it.

All tests were performed in an A/B fashion with identical discs in 2 players simultaneously, flipping inputs on my AVR (I borrowed 6-7 movies from a buddy that we both had in our collection).

To replace the Oppo, I've tried the following in the past 2 weeks:

Panasonic BDP-85K - I'd read some reviews stating that the newest Panasonics were pretty good upconverters. Not true. Compared to the ABT chip, I'd rate the Panasonic somewhere around a 6-7 at best. It took me all of 60 seconds to figure out that the Panasonic was not satisfactory at 84" when A/B'ing against the ABT chip in my Oppo BDP-83.

Denon DBP-1610 - purchased at Best Buy as an open box/scratched up display unit for $79, figuring I could return it within 30 days after taking it for a spin. The main thing that interested me in this player is it's ability to output in Source Direct mode, which is needed in order to let the receiver upconvert. The player does a HORRIBLE job of upconverting on it's own (maybe a 5 out of 10), but obviously did the job as a transport in Source Direct mode. The Denon is quite a bit slower than my Oppo, but that was to be expected. For $79, I could live with it, but not a particularly impressive machine - especially considering it retailed for $499 and was the worst upconverter of the group (not that it mattered if I would be using Source Direct mode).

Oppo BDP-80 - I picked up the Oppo as a refurbished unit after calling the company and asking them to please call me if any refurbs became available. They called me around 10 or so days later and I ordered one. Still a savings of over $200 from my beloved BDP-83 with all the speed to boot! Source Direct to the receiver would allow me to reap all the benefits of the BDP-83 in regards to picture quality, but this solution was $180 or so pricier than the Denon I picked up on closeout. SD DVD upconversion of the Oppo on it's own is pretty good, but definitely not perfect. While it may pass every synthetic test, errors crop into the picture quite often on difficult material (i.e. American Beauty DVD = terrible transfer IMO with many clips that cause shimmering or jagged edges). Overall, I'd only rate the BDP-80's upconversion at around an 8 out of 10 when viewed at 84". Still a very competent performer, and on smaller screens (non-projection), probably a great choice.

Pioneer BDP-320 - As mentioned, I picked this unit up for $99 after reading about the deals a few others had found at Best Buy recently. I have to admit, I was curious to see just how well this unit upconverted, and I must report, I have been astonished so far. While the 320 might fail some synthetic tests according to what I've read, I have yet to find any real world material where the 320 doesn't look just about as good as the ABT chip! The same clips repeated over and over between the Oppo BDP-80 & the Pioneer revealed that the Pioneer is without a doubt the better unit at upconverting real world, commercially authored material. The differences are subtle and not night and day (unlike with the Panasonic and Denon players), but the differences are there and easily recreated. After setting the Oppo to Source Direct so that I could A/B between the ABT chip in my receiver and the Pioneer's upconversion, I honestly cannot see much (if any) difference in any of the clips that I've tried. Kudos to Pioneer! 9+ out of 10, and only because I'm sure there is some difficult material that the Pioneer would get tripped up on that the ABT chip wouldn't based on reviews I've read. I haven't seen any of that material yet on "normal" DVDs however.

Aside from the fact that this player is dog slow compared to both Oppo players (booting, loading, skipping/scanning - all around), it's picture quality is damn good!
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Great stuff. I was wondering whether I should swap my 320 for an ABT 83 if there is price cut when the 93 is launched.
post #4797 of 6328
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Originally Posted by jkozlow3 View Post

Picked up the 320 at Best Buy for $99 @ the only location in the Denver area that could locate one in a box for me.

Pioneer BDP-320 - As mentioned, I picked this unit up for $99 after reading about the deals a few others had found at Best Buy recently. I have to admit, I was curious to see just how well this unit upconverted, and I must report, I have been astonished so far. While the 320 might fail some synthetic tests according to what I've read, I have yet to find any real world material where the 320 doesn't look just about as good as the ABT chip! The same clips repeated over and over between the Oppo BDP-80 & the Pioneer revealed that the Pioneer is without a doubt the better unit at upconverting real world, commercially authored material. The differences are subtle and not night and day (unlike with the Panasonic and Denon players), but the differences are there and easily recreated. After setting the Oppo to Source Direct so that I could A/B between the ABT chip in my receiver and the Pioneer's upconversion, I honestly cannot see much (if any) difference in any of the clips that I've tried. Kudos to Pioneer! 9+ out of 10, and only because I'm sure there is some difficult material that the Pioneer would get tripped up on that the ABT chip wouldn't based on reviews I've read. I haven't seen any of that material yet on "normal" DVDs however.

Aside from the fact that this player is dog slow compared to both Oppo players (booting, loading, skipping/scanning - all around), it's picture quality is damn good!

I own the Oppo BDP-83SE, in addition to a Pioneer BDP-320 (2), Pioneer BDP-23FD and a Sony BDP-S1000ES and the gap between these players as far as DVD playback is minuscule on WELL authored DVDs. Most will not notice a difference in their day to day viewing and the Pioneer's or Sony's shortcomings on synthetic tests may never be revealed on real world content. However, I personally like knowing that if a difficult edit or cadence is present that I am covered and the handling of such is transparent to me.

Most of my viewing whether it be Blu-ray or DVD is with either the Pioneer BDP-23FD or the Oppo BDP-83SE.

Congrats on the purchase of the BDP-320.


Willie
post #4798 of 6328
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Originally Posted by iontyre View Post

Just discovered new BDP-320 firmware (version 3.69a) was released on Thursday (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...320.Kuro?tab=F)

I've burned it to CD and will load it tomorrow, hope it fixes the issue with the Sherlock blu-ray.

Ok, updated firmware this morning to 3.69a. Popped in the troublesome Sherlock disc (BBC TV series, not the Robert Downey Jr. movie) and was able to use the menu successfully. Thanks Pioneer for the fast service!!
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I bought 2 51fd from 6th ave when they were closing them out. One is connected to my Elite 151. The other 51fd is still new in the box. I was going to connect it in the bedroom to a Panasonic 37" plasma (720p) and run the analogs to left-center-right speakers. I got a 320fd and a 23fd at less than the close out price, Would these be better to keep than the extra 51fd? I guess I could connect the 320 to the 720p plasma and the 23fd (with the 51fd) to the 151 plasma and sell the NIB 51fd. Unless the 51fd is superior to these in some ways.
post #4800 of 6328
I just did the firmware update on my 320. No problems.

Then out of curiosity I went to my local Best Buy and they had a demo 320 for $100 and a 23FD for $150.

Without reading through this whole post are there any real differences between the 320 and the 23FD? If they are I may just pick up the 23FD and sell the 320.
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