Pioneer BDP-320/BDP-23FD Owner's Thread - Page 204

No, that knob should be turned up to its max (>125Hz) or disabled entirely if possible. (e.g. some subs have an input connection which bypasses their internal filters.) The AVR handles the crossover. Also, a movie's LFE channel normally is sent only to the sub. That channel is designed to have audio up to 120 Hz.

Ok I will try turning the knob all the way up, I know on the receiver the crossover is set to 80hz so thought it had to match that.

The LFE displays on the receiver and flashes when there is an LFE signal but sub never comes on.

Thanks for all your help so far.

Justin

Just as a test, you might want to consider connecting a subwoofer to one of the other preamp outputs on the receiver (center, for example). While it won't be able to reproduce the upper frequencies, you should be able to hear something, which would verify that the subwoofer is working. Being my usual conservative self, I'd do it with the volume turned all the way down at first.

You've got some great troubleshooting advise. You may want to also try switching the subs to "on" instead of "auto". Should not make a difference but worth a try.

Ya I thought of doing that, actually might just turn them on during next movie and see if that does anything. Hoping thats not it, would be a pain in the *** to have to turn them on/off each movie I watch. Liking all the advise. If none of this works, Im just going to contact a local calibrator and see if they can determine.

I may have missed the answer to these questions, but is it clear that your subs are actually working? If you leave them ON and they still don't come on, perhaps the subs got damaged, or one of their cables did??

Hi Guys,

I think i found the culprit, apparently since the swap the sub preout has gone bad. I first plugged the sub into another preamp output and was getting noise out of the sub, so I knew the subs were working. I then reran the MCACC test and it didn't detect any subwoofer, so from that I am guessing the sub preout is bad?

Also for verification I hooked the subs to a second receiver I have and they work just fine.

Since this now seems a receiver issue, you could ask in the thread related to your AVR if there is one. Is there a way to do a factory reset on it?

Dan.

Ya now that I know it has nothing to do with the 23FD I swapped. I'm not sure if it does or not, I have the black tie protection on it from Best Buy so was just gonna take it in.

I just got my BDP-23FD today, bought it used.
The picture is great however I cannot get the audio to work properly.
All that is coming to my AVR is PCM. My AVR is a new Yamaha which can do any audio format out there today.

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio...10/?mode=model

But I can't get the Elite to give me anything but PCM. I have all the settings set to Dolby Digital source. I have experimented with all choices and still sound is output in PCM. Is there no way to select Bitstream?

Any ideas?

I wonder if I got a bum unit. Its a wonder it works at all considering the way the seller shipped it in a box with no padding.

Dolby Digital Source is for the S/PDIF digital audio output, not HDMI. See page 38 of the manual.

You probably need to modify the HDMI audio settings. See page 39:
HDMI High Speed Transmision should be on. The default is off.
HDMI Audio Out should be Auto if you want the audio to be bitstreamed. That's the default, but since you got a used unit, it might not be set that way any more. It needs to be set to PCM if you want to hear menu sounds or the secondary audio channels.

Great, thank you. Didn't come with a manual so I will download.
I did update it to the latest firmware. I think I must have had the HDMI Audio Out set to digital now that I look closer. Will set to auto. Was looking for a bitstream setting but I guess that is Auto.
PQ is outstanding. I have an Oppo 93 and I am not really seeing any difference.

FWIW, I got all my info from the manual. The Pioneer player that I have is one of the rebadged Sharp players

I was unable to download the manual from Pioneer. The file was always truncated much too early. I did a Web search and downloaded a copy from www.manualowl.com They're free and you don't need to register, but the download procedure is somewhat convoluted.

Thanks, didn't see the 23FD but did see a manual for the 320. Should be very close.

I don't know how to fix your problem, but there is no difference between the analog signal your AVR will produce from a bitstream digital signal compared to a PCM signal. It makes no difference at all to what you hear. The only difference is what the front panel on your AVR displays.

I have it figured out. I am using HDMI for audio. Needed to change the setting to Auto rather then Digital. In order to get Bitstream you need to be in Auto even though the menu settings doesn't mention Bitstream but the manual does. Now I can get DTS-HD.

You were getting it before, when you weren't bitstreaming:
"Contrary to what you might hear elsewhere, there's absolutely no sound-quality difference whether the decoding takes place in the receiver or the Blu-ray player. The common analogy is to 'zipping" a file on your computer; it's the exact same file if you unzip it on another computer. The only real difference is that if you use onboard decoding on your Blu-ray player [i.e., NOT bitstreaming], you won't see the 'Dolby TrueHD' or 'DTS-HD Master Audio' lights on your receiver. That's because the receiver only knows it's receiving a linear PCM signal; it doesn't know how that linear PCM signal was previously compressed."
[http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-13817_7-6462511-4.html]

My BDP-320 has been working like a dream...until a few days ago. It will just freeze in the middle of a movie, or even on the top menu screen. I have to unplug it entirely for it to load back up.

I have tried reading through this thread, newest updates, and a factory reset. I am guessing it is a lost cause. Has anyone had this issue? Is this worth getting fixed?

Thanks

Not sure if it's my BDP-320 or VSX94 but last night I had to watch Mission Impossible in French with English sub titles Dolby True was all garbled and I do have the latest firmware on my BDP-320 ,any idea what went wrong .

The problem would have to come from either your player or the disc. You didn't say which Mission Impossible disc you have. And was it a rental disc or a retail copy?

I played a netflix copy of the latest Mission Impossiible (#4) on my 320 vin English without any problem.

It was a rental and it looked perfect .

Have you tried to remove it and insert it again? Or, can you still try?

I bought a movie a few months ago, and when I started to watch it, the image was weird. There was a horizontal "break" near the top of the frame. I immediately thought "I need to return this disc" - but I watched it anyway, because it was not too bad, and my wife and I were already set with our pillows, blankets and popcorn... After I watched it and removed the disc from the player, I thought "what if I try again?"... and I did, and the image was perfect.

I guess sometimes there can be some data sync issues somewhere between the pickup and the HDMI out, that don't trigger the error detection algorythms.

VMat

I agree, nice combo you have there.

I have the 23FD and the Oppo 93 and the 23FD has a better picture IMO.
I been having 'handshake' problems with the Oppo. The Oppo has a little better sound but not by much. Not a big fan of Oppo. My first Oppo had to be sent back, because of lockup issues on firmware updates. I am on my second one.

I can only guess at what the 09FD looks like. If you ever want to sell it....
well let me know.

In anyone's experience, how scratched does a BD have to be to not play? major or minor scratches?

I have a 320 and it seems that about 40% of Netflix BDs will freeze during playback or sometimes stall while the disc loads.

I do have the stalling while loading problem on some discs, but I suspect it's because the 320 needs a firmware update to play those discs. Almost any disc that won't finish loading in thje 320 will play without a problem in my other player--different brand.

No problem wih scratched Netflix discs. Had only one in two years.

Well my firmware is up-to-date so I wonder if the lens is misaligned or just dirty. I think I'll pull the trigger on a BD lens cleaner and see if that sorts it out, unless folks recommend otherwise.

Has it always been this way? If not, try the lense cleaner (make sure it's for Blu ray!). Unfortunately, with BDs it doesn't take much of a scratch to trip up the player. DVDs however can look like hell and still play. I think the issue has to due with the fact that the data pits on BD are far smaller and much closer to the surface than on DVD.

I think it has always been like this with scratched movies from Netflix they freeze about 40% of the time. I did use the toothpaste trick to clean a disc I had from Netflix which has a decent gouge. It got past the first point it froze but then froze later anyway.

I want to assume that my lens isn't mis-aligned since clean disks play fine.

Any recommendations for a brushless/wind cleaner vs one with brushes?

Funny, I can still vaguely recall BDs being advertised when they first came out as more scratch resistant than DVDs:)

The plastic used in BDs is more resistant to the formation of scratches than the plastic used for most DVDs, but once they exist, BD data is more sensitive to them. The recorded data tracks on a BD are smaller and closer together than they are on a DVD, so a scratch of a given size is more disruptive.