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post #691 of 6333
6/3/09 at 7:20pm
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Winston since you're the man, I need a suggestion...I'm looking into getting a BD player for our guest bedroom [the point being it wont be used as much, if that matters] my picks are Panny BD60 or the Pio 51FD....my CrctCty card was just transfered to BstBy so the prices for both are roughly the same as BB is concerned...and as a result I'm just itching to get myself something

how big is your tv in the bedroom? are you going to be watching more blu rays or sd dvds?
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post #692 of 6333
6/3/09 at 7:21pm
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BB spec sheets for 320 and 51 say
Maximum Output Resolution: Upconvert to 1080p [for the 320] and
Maximum Output Resolution: High Definition up to 1080p [for the 51]...
...is there any diff or just BB jargon to confuse us!

sounds like pioneer's typical japanese to french to sanskrit to english translation methods they employ in their manuals
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post #693 of 6333
6/3/09 at 7:24pm
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how big is your tv in the bedroom? are you going to be watching more blu rays or sd dvds?

The TV is a Samsung 32" 720p...just want the guests [esp my bro who when he visits like to watch something from my blu-ray collection before he gets to bed] as much as it sounds wierd I typically try to match my TVs to my players..I have the 320 hooked upto the Kuro and the 300 to the 40" Sony but I just cant get myself to get a Sammy BD player.
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post #694 of 6333
6/3/09 at 7:25pm
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sounds like pioneer's typical japanese to french to sanskrit to english translation methods they employ in their manuals

Ha ha ha thx!
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post #695 of 6333
6/3/09 at 7:27pm
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

I did too - on both 320s and no problem whatsoever.

Kjonkheer, try a few different discs, but I think you have something ever so small that is tripping up the laser - could be a tiny piece of dust or moisture.

Hmmmm.... So strange that it only happens when playing the TrueHD track.

Makes me think I am doing something wrong but I have checked everything several times.

I will get the exact time of the video skip tomorrow. I'm wiped for today.

Thanks to everyone who watched chapter 4 of TDK for me! "I suggest you buy American!"
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post #696 of 6333
6/3/09 at 7:43pm
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"I suggest you buy American!"

Yer kidding right? To quote someone "I'll bleed to make sure the stripes stay red!" but to buy our home-made stuff I dunno I wouldn't be fanatical about it, but then I've never been fanatical bout anything! Awright back to Kuro luvin y'all!
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post #697 of 6333
6/3/09 at 7:47pm
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The TV is a Samsung 32" 720p...just want the guests [esp my bro who when he visits like to watch something from my blu-ray collection before he gets to bed] as much as it sounds wierd I typically try to match my TVs to my players..I have the 320 hooked upto the Kuro and the 300 to the 40" Sony but I just cant get myself to get a Sammy BD player.

on a 32" display, I do no think you will be able to see the benefits of the 51's superior upscaling over the panny 60. The analogue section of the 51 will be largely irrelevant as well without a ht setup. The panny 60 is also lower profile, which might work better in a guest room if your wife is anything like mine.

In the end, you won't go wrong with either, but if you can get the 60 for a bit less (it was $249 at BB a week or two ago). I would probably get the 60 or a samsung 2500 if you can find one on clearance for a decent price.
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post #698 of 6333
6/3/09 at 7:56pm
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on a 32" display, I do no think you will be able to see the benefits of the 51's superior upscaling over the panny 60. The analogue section of the 51 will be largely irrelevant as well without a ht setup. The panny 60 is also lower profile, which might work better in a guest room if your wife is anything like mine.

In the end, you won't go wrong with either, but if you can get the 60 for a bit less (it was $249 at BB a week or two ago). I would probably get the 60 or a samsung 2500 if you can find one on clearance for a decent price.

Like I said you da man Winston! Thx! Much appreciated. Yeah aren't wives all the same! Goin with the Panny like you suggested. Home Theater Mag had a fantastic review on it but I just have a weakness for Pios, my 9 year old Pio dvd player still works like a charm!
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post #699 of 6333
6/3/09 at 8:48pm
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Appears some folks have changed the SD card on the 51 and gotten faster load times:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post16582361

wonder if we can do the same to our 320s??? Any tech savy guys want to get out the screwdriver?
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post #700 of 6333
6/3/09 at 9:24pm
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Appears some folks have changed the SD card on the 51 and gotten faster load times:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post16582361

wonder if we can do the same to our 320s??? Any tech savy guys want to get out the screwdriver?

Apples & Oranges. Because the 05/51 are only Profile 1.1 and cannot be upgraded to 2.0 due to no Ethernet and no USB, and since plugging in external USB memory overrides the internal memory on the 23/320/120 (which of course are Profile 2.0 with Ethernet and external USB), my guess is that attempting to upgrade the 23/320/120 internal memory (assuming it's a card that can be swapped) wouldn't help.

Memory itself isn't necessarily the gating factor in load times. Rather it's the cumbersome Java code for BD-J titles (Blu-ray discs authored in HDMV load nearly as fast as DVDs). It gets worse when making the additional jump into BD-Live, where even more code is involved, plus the overhead of the internet connection and the server you're connected to.

Processor speed is the other factor which drags down load times. The Sony PS3 is currently considered the gold standard for BD-J/BD-Live titles, as was the target machine the designer of "T2 - Skynet" authored to. CE BD players, even Elites typically are not using the same processing power game machines employ.

So, upping the external USB memory from the standard 1GB to 2 or 4 might provided some relief without opening the box, especially since the external memory apparently circumvents the internal anyway, but it's not the complete answer to slow loading.
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post #701 of 6333
6/3/09 at 9:38pm
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Apples & Oranges. Because the 05/51 are only Profile 1.1 and cannot be upgraded to 2.0 due to no Ethernet and no USB, and since plugging in external USB memory overrides the internal memory on the 23/320/120 (which of course are Profile 2.0 with Ethernet and external USB), my guess is that attempting to upgrade the 23/320/120 internal memory (assuming it's a card that can be swapped) wouldn't help.

Memory itself isn't necessarily the gating factor in load times. Rather it's the cumbersome Java code for BD-J titles (Blu-ray discs authored in HDMV load nearly as fast as DVDs). It gets worse when making the additional jump into BD-Live, where even more code is involved, plus the overhead of the internet connection and the server you're connected to.

Processor speed is the other factor which drags down load times. The Sony PS3 is currently considered the gold standard for BD-J/BD-Live titles, as was the target machine the designer of "T2 - Skynet" authored to. CE BD players, even Elites typically are not using the same processing power game machines employ.

So, upping the external USB memory from the standard 1GB to 2 or 4 might provided some relief without opening the box, especially since the external memory apparently circumvents the internal anyway, but it's not the complete answer to slow loading.

The argument made on the 51 is the sd card is where some of files are cached and the process is slowed to some extent at this pt. It does seem to speed up some java titles.

Has any one compared load times with a usb jump drive connected to the 320?
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post #702 of 6333
6/3/09 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by Tom V View Post

Apples & Oranges. Because the 05/51 are only Profile 1.1 and cannot be upgraded to 2.0 due to no Ethernet and no USB, and since plugging in external USB memory overrides the internal memory on the 23/320/120 (which of course are Profile 2.0 with Ethernet and external USB), my guess is that attempting to upgrade the 23/320/120 internal memory (assuming it's a card that can be swapped) wouldn't help.

Memory itself isn't necessarily the gating factor in load times. Rather it's the cumbersome Java code for BD-J titles (Blu-ray discs authored in HDMV load nearly as fast as DVDs). It gets worse when making the additional jump into BD-Live, where even more code is involved, plus the overhead of the internet connection and the server you're connected to.

Processor speed is the other factor which drags down load times. The Sony PS3 is currently considered the gold standard for BD-J/BD-Live titles, as was the target machine the designer of "T2 - Skynet" authored to. CE BD players, even Elites typically are not using the same processing power game machines employ.

So, upping the external USB memory from the standard 1GB to 2 or 4 might provided some relief without opening the box, especially since the external memory apparently circumvents the internal anyway, but it's not the complete answer to slow loading.

I just upgraded the sd card on my 51 - here's the link to pics: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post16582600

load times appear a bit quicker on some of the heavy java discs (pirates)
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post #703 of 6333
6/3/09 at 9:43pm
Here are some internal pictures on the 320 that I found at www.areadvd.de.
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post #704 of 6333
6/3/09 at 9:50pm
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Here are some internal pictures on the 320 that I found at www.areadvd.de.

The SD card appears to be in the lower right area and easily changeable. I will try to open up my 320 tomorrow.
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post #705 of 6333
6/3/09 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

The argument made on the 51 is the sd card is where some of files are cached and the process is slowed to some extent at this pt. It does seem to speed up some java titles.

Has any one compared load times with a usb jump drive connected to the 320?

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I just upgraded the sd card on my 51 - here's the link to pics: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post16582600

load times appear a bit quicker on some of the heavy java discs (pirates)

Yes, replacing the internal memory in the 05/51 with a bigger and/or faster card would make sense. The situation with the 23/320/120 is different because the external USB memory negates the internal on those machines.

There are speed differences in USB sticks - so user faster ones might be worth the additional cost. Although absolute overkill, I wonder what kind of performance there'd be attaching a USB HDD? Have a spare gathering dust here, so might do some tests.
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post #706 of 6333
6/3/09 at 10:03pm
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took a screwdriver and confirmed the sd card is just behind the eject button or so. Weirdly enough, mine is glued in place. I cannot tell what size it is:
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there is a panasonic labeled chip just beyomd the hdmi and ethernet plug...
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post #707 of 6333
6/3/09 at 10:13pm
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took a screwdriver and confirmed the sd card is just behind the eject button or so. Weirdly enough, mine is glued in place. I cannot tell what size it is:
Attachment 144390

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Attachment 144392

there is a panasonic labeled chip just beyomd the hdmi and ethernet plug...

Glued - as in, can't replace it - or just the socket the card fits into is glued onto the board?

Can you tell what "class" the card is? e.g. Class 6 - Pro High Speed.
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post #708 of 6333
6/4/09 at 4:58am
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

took a screwdriver and confirmed the sd card is just behind the eject button or so. Weirdly enough, mine is glued in place. I cannot tell what size it is:
Attachment 144390

more pics
Attachment 144391

Attachment 144392

there is a panasonic labeled chip just beyomd the hdmi and ethernet plug...

So is this the 1GB internal memory that the pio uses for BD-live? If we were able to swap the card with a higher storage one, would that increase the internal storage as well? Any increase in speed would be a bonus.
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post #709 of 6333
6/4/09 at 5:08am
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Originally Posted by Tom V View Post

Glued - as in, can't replace it - or just the socket the card fits into is glued onto the board?

Can you tell what "class" the card is? e.g. Class 6 - Pro High Speed.

as in some one took a hot glue gun of sorts and it wont move without heavy manipulation. all i can see is some orange and what looks like the SD logo.

i did not try to peel off glue - was nervous any muscling could hurt board, break solders
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post #710 of 6333
6/4/09 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by pixar View Post

Yer kidding right? To quote someone "I'll bleed to make sure the stripes stay red!" but to buy our home-made stuff I dunno I wouldn't be fanatical about it, but then I've never been fanatical bout anything! Awright back to Kuro luvin y'all!

LOL! This is a quote from TDK during the court room scene, chapter 4.
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post #711 of 6333
6/4/09 at 8:21am
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LOL! This is a quote from TDK during the court room scene, chapter 4.

Omfg my friends are gonna castrate me that I didnt get that! My apologies!! Pls pls pls tell no one I made that f**k-up. Do you read comics? You should read Arkham Asylum and Batman and Son...those trade paperbacks/graphic novels are the best I've read since Killing Joke, Dark Knight & Hush.

PS I'm such a shmuck sometimes its unbelievable!
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post #712 of 6333
6/4/09 at 9:33am
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Omfg my friends are gonna castrate me that I didnt get that! My apologies!! Pls pls pls tell no one I made that f**k-up. Do you read comics? You should read Arkham Asylum and Batman and Son...those trade paperbacks/graphic novels are the best I've read since Killing Joke, Dark Knight & Hush.

PS I'm such a shmuck sometimes its unbelievable!

LOL!!! It's ok bud. I won't tell a soul. You're funny.
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post #713 of 6333
6/4/09 at 4:06pm
guy si just installed the 23fd to my elite rcvr the same way i had with pana bd30k player. when i put top gun bd in and choose dolbly true hd 6.1,
my rcvr says PCM not dolby true hd. i have check my setting on the 23fd and i have chosen hdmi video as well as audio and still PCM is on the rcvr. anyone help please!!!!
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post #714 of 6333
6/4/09 at 4:32pm
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guy si just installed the 23fd to my elite rcvr the same way i had with pana bd30k player. when i put top gun bd in and choose dolbly true hd 6.1,
my rcvr says PCM not dolby true hd. i have check my setting on the 23fd and i have chosen hdmi video as well as audio and still PCM is on the rcvr. anyone help please!!!!

your 23 is decoding to pcm. go to hdmi section of menu and change audio to auto as opposed to pcm. also make sure you have high speed turned ON
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post #715 of 6333
6/4/09 at 5:29pm
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Any one try this since updating the firmware to 3.13? Now plays on the the 51/05 with 1.32.
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post #716 of 6333
6/4/09 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Any one try this since updating the firmware to 3.13? Now plays on the the 51/05 with 1.32.

Mine still doesn't play.
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post #717 of 6333
6/4/09 at 7:09pm
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Mine still doesn't play.

have you reported it to pioneer? we all need to log as many calls as we can
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post #718 of 6333
6/4/09 at 7:12pm
Here is a link that was sent to me via email by Pioneer for their Pro BDP-V6000 player. I wonder what, if any, differences besides the cosmetic finish (no piano black gloss here) there is between this and the 23FD.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...yers/BDP-V6000
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post #719 of 6333
6/4/09 at 9:59pm
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Any one try this since updating the firmware to 3.13? Now plays on the the 51/05 with 1.32.

It plays horribly, menus are beyond sluggish. Can't get PiP to work.
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post #720 of 6333
6/5/09 at 4:49am
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have you reported it to pioneer? we all need to log as many calls as we can

Yup, they told me they were working on it.
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