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post #211 of 7369
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Originally Posted by MikeTradr View Post

I made a bracket for in wall mounting. I sedn you all pictures soon.

What size bolts do I need? where does it say in manual?

and what spacing do I drill on my bracket to match hole widths?

thanks

Mike

Check out page 83 in User Manual
post #212 of 7369
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Originally Posted by HDKing View Post

Question about off angle viewing. When people sit off angle, they don't sit 1/2 foot away. Is the extreme PQ as bad as that from say 9-10 feet back? Pretty much anything can be distorted looking from 1/2 foot away.

these are a little under exposed but i can say that there is an IMMEDIATE loss of black quality the moment you stray from dead center...but the ting is, that immediate loss doesn't really get that much worse the further to the side you get. it stays about 75 percent for all viewing angles.

(source: MI:III HD-DVD on Xbox 360 Connected through receiver with HDMI)

dead center:



off angle roughly 7-8 feet from screen:


hope this helps. sorry again for the under exposure.
post #213 of 7369
How much better is 240hz vs 120hz? I really can't justify in my mind the purpose of the difference between the two but i've been told motion looks better on the b750 vs the b650. Also, how well does the b750 stack up to the XBR9?
post #214 of 7369
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Originally Posted by gwai1o View Post

these are a little under exposed but i can say that there is an IMMEDIATE loss of black quality the moment you stray from dead center...but the ting is, that immediate loss doesn't really get that much worse the further to the side you get. it stays about 75 percent for all viewing angles.

(source: MI:III HD-DVD on Xbox 360 Connected through receiver with HDMI)

dead center:



off angle roughly 7-8 feet from screen:


hope this helps. sorry again for the under exposure.

Great pics gwai1o! I agree with your off angle assestment. If you are also viewing the set with ambient light beside it such as a window during the daytime, it washes out more distinctly.
post #215 of 7369
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Originally Posted by maygit View Post

How much better is 240hz vs 120hz? I really can't justify in my mind the purpose of the difference between the two but i've been told motion looks better on the b750 vs the b650. Also, how well does the b750 stack up to the XBR9?

240hz vs 120hz isn't that much more of a difference IHMO but the extra adjustment on the B series sets for blur and judder are great improvements over the A650/A750. It's easier to tune out the artifacts when they are enabled.
post #216 of 7369
Thanks for showing those off-angle pics from further away. I wish more people posted them from further back like that.
post #217 of 7369
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Originally Posted by maygit View Post

How much better is 240hz vs 120hz? I really can't justify in my mind the purpose of the difference between the two but i've been told motion looks better on the b750 vs the b650. Also, how well does the b750 stack up to the XBR9?

if the b650 has the same judder/blur controllable scale then i cant see them looking much different to the untrained eye.

i've been playing around with it for a few minutes now an i tried the different presets and "clear" on the b750 is actually quite nice. it doesnt really do anything wierd to the picture but (and this may just be a placebo effect) the picture seems very crisp.

if the 650 has just a basic 120Hz on or off (or low medium high) settings i think the added control of the 240Hz with the individual sliders is nice as is the previously mentioned "clear" preset. im glad i had the day off work today. i am really diggin this tv.
post #218 of 7369
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Originally Posted by HDKing View Post

Thanks for showing those off-angle pics from further away. I wish more people posted them from further back like that.

are there any other pictures or anything i can hook you up with. (hopefully with better exposures)? other movies? sources? (all i have access to right now is HDMI connected 360/HDDVD/PS3/BluRay. No cable tv right now.
post #219 of 7369
Awesome man thanks. Can you put up some SD pics with black bars up? Also do you have any fluctuating or brightness/darkness "pumping" that has been alluded to about the Luxia sets?
post #220 of 7369
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Originally Posted by HDKing View Post

Awesome man thanks. Can you put up some SD pics with black bars up? Also do you have any fluctuating or brightness/darkness "pumping" that has been alluded to about the Luxia sets?


im not familiar with this pumping (lol im quite immature) you're talking about. explain?

i am grabbing a few shots of Transformers HDDVD and then i will throw in an SD show/movie. im assuming you dont care if it is 4:3 with the bars on the side (like a show) or 16:9 (like a movie) with the bars on the top. i gather you are looking for SD black levels and overall clarity. I will find something for you.
post #221 of 7369
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Originally Posted by gwai1o View Post

Killzone 2 must just be a heavy game. either that or the ps3's wireless remote lag coupled with the tv lag is creating double lag lol! I had the sensitivity up all the way and I did not feel accurate with my shots.

I flipped game mode on and fired up Halo3. It plays like imitation butter. Pretty damn accurate. There is THEE slightest hint of lag but i am ultra sensitive. I'm sure i can get used to it. the game mode on the B750 looks great especially in comparison to the a650. i dont feel the overpowering urge to run around and fiddle with settings. looks and plays great. again if you are ultra sensitive to lag you MAY notice but i tend to be really sensitive to this sort of thing. additionally i am not directly hooked up to the tv. i go through a receiver so i no doubt encounter lag do to this so if you connect directly to the tv you should be even better off than i am. i will continue to mess around and post anything noteable but i think you will be ok with this tv but FYI im not telling you it is lag free so dont blame me if you dont like it

Killzone 2 is not like COD4 and has much more heavy controls. It was hard for me to be accurate on my 52A650 or 111FD. It's why I ended up returning the game instead of buying from Gamefly. In fact there are tons of threads out there about the heavy controls of Killzone 2. It's not a game to use to test input lag.

Thanks for taking the pictures. If I had a better camera I'd take some myself.
post #222 of 7369
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by HDKing View Post

Awesome man thanks. Can you put up some SD pics with black bars up? Also do you have any fluctuating or brightness/darkness "pumping" that has been alluded to about the Luxia sets?

It does not do the backlight pumping unless you set Power Saving to auto.
post #223 of 7369
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Originally Posted by gwai1o View Post

im not familiar with this pumping (lol im quite immature) you're talking about. explain?

i am grabbing a few shots of Transformers HDDVD and then i will throw in an SD show/movie. im assuming you dont care if it is 4:3 with the bars on the side (like a show) or 16:9 (like a movie) with the bars on the top. i gather you are looking for SD black levels and overall clarity. I will find something for you.

The fluctuating or pumping is when the screen goes from dark to light or vice versa. A good scene to view this is in The Dark Knight when the Joker is being interrogated and Batman is standing behind him. Some people have said that this scene doesn't look right on the new Samsungs.
post #224 of 7369
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Originally Posted by marrr View Post

I just got my first ever LCD TV Thursday from Cleveland plasma.. I'm just wondering if bpmurr and a few others can post some pics of a black screen. I wanna have something to compare mine to. Also can any tell me if they think mine looks bad.



thanks

I'm not seeing anything here worth making a fuss about. It seems pretty uniform for a non local dimming LCD set. I would be happy with that. As soon has you had any kind of image on there it would offset the slight uniformity. Fire up a Kuro Plasma and it's not 100% uniform on a blank input either. It has areas that are darker then others.
post #225 of 7369
Argh just ran into my first snag outside of the remote with this B750. All my HDMI inputs from 1-3 will not pic up a signal. They are all defaulting to the HDMI 4 (side) input. So if I have HDMI 1 selected with a Bluray running on HDMI 4 it will display the HDMI 4 image.

WTF, this is a very bad impression from Samsung. I've never had any input issues with other TVs or Brands. I have not gotten it to fix itself or go away even after removing all the inputs and using 1 input at a time. Pulling the power cord and waiting for it to power cycle did not resolve this issue. I tried different types of HDMI cables without any success.

Here's my current input setup:

Component 1 (AV1/Comp1) = Comcast DVR box (Motorola w/DVI output)
Component 2 (Comp2)= Samsung DVD-HD755 upconverting DVD player
Composite 2 (AV2)= Nintendo Wii
HDMI 1 = Comcast DVR box via DVI -> HDMI cable
HDMI 2 = Samsung DVD-HD755
HDMI 3 = Roku Netflix streaming box
HDMI 4 = Samsung BD-P2550 Bluray with AnyNet+ (HDMI-CEC) - I tried with this feature enabled and disabled but no difference.
Coaxial cable= Comcast cable feed
USB1= Samsung wireless dongle- I tried without this plugged in and it didn't
USB2= Samsung flash drive with maual- I tried without this plugged in and it didn't matter.

Note: I have pretty much used up all the inputs that the TV can take. All the analog inputs seem to be working fine.

Anybody else ever have this issue before on any of the Samsung TVs? Are there any quick work arounds or resets? Thanks in advance!
post #226 of 7369
Some Transformers:




Some SD Kill Bill (Horizontal black bar SD test):




Some SD Family Guy (Vertical black bar SD test):






I intentionally blew out the whites on the Fuzzy Door image to see how strong the black level was. Leaps and bounds ahead of my previous set. Sorry there are some reflections in the first few shots.

Anything Else??

-j.
post #227 of 7369
Nice pictures. Thanks again. Looks like your pics and bpmurr's recommendation of this over the 7100/800 series is what's solidifying my choice. I wish that they had a 55", but 52" should do for now.
post #228 of 7369
Excellent pics. Very glad to see that Samsung got it right with this model (no clouding/flashlights).
post #229 of 7369
Another question, are there going to be any other models? Like a B850/B950?
post #230 of 7369
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Originally Posted by gwai1o View Post

these are a little under exposed but i can say that there is an IMMEDIATE loss of black quality the moment you stray from dead center...but the ting is, that immediate loss doesn't really get that much worse the further to the side you get. it stays about 75 percent for all viewing angles.

(source: MI:III HD-DVD on Xbox 360 Connected through receiver with HDMI)

dead center:



off angle roughly 7-8 feet from screen:


hope this helps. sorry again for the under exposure.

Thanks for the pics. About what degree of angle would you say you were at for the 7-8 feet from the screen? Due to my set up, both sides of my viewing area will be about 20 degrees off center. In the store, I didn't see much dropoff at 20 degrees. I only saw a lot of dropoff at around 45 degrees.
post #231 of 7369
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Originally Posted by HDKing View Post

Another question, are there going to be any other models? Like a B850/B950?

I'm pretty sure there's a new 950 in the works, but chances are it won't see light of day until end of the year.
post #232 of 7369
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by gwai1o View Post

Some Transformers:




Some SD Kill Bill (Horizontal black bar SD test):




Some SD Family Guy (Vertical black bar SD test):






I intentionally blew out the whites on the Fuzzy Door image to see how strong the black level was. Leaps and bounds ahead of my previous set. Sorry there are some reflections in the first few shots.

Anything Else??

-j.

Nice pics! You could probably post these in the Kuro Pictures thread and they wouldn't even know it wasn't a Kuro.
post #233 of 7369
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Originally Posted by bpmurr View Post

Nice pics! You could probably post these in the Kuro Pictures thread and they wouldn't even know it wasn't a Kuro.

I just got this set (52B750) and the blacks aren't as dark as the Panasonic G10 (plasma) that it is replacing. Don't get me wrong, my inital impression is very positive, but it's definitely not as "inky" as the plasma.
post #234 of 7369
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Originally Posted by TechnoG View Post

Thanks for the pics. About what degree of angle would you say you were at for the 7-8 feet from the screen? Due to my set up, both sides of my viewing area will be about 20 degrees off center. In the store, I didn't see much dropoff at 20 degrees. I only saw a lot of dropoff at around 45 degrees.


I was here:



i know i was past 45 degrees but i don't know how far. I would estimate 65 degrees off center. the way my apartment is layed out my kitchen overlooks the living room (whos apartment doesn't right? lol). and if i stood in my kitchen (about 20 feet away) it still looked the same..just further away.
post #235 of 7369
My contribution to the off angle viewing discussion...

Camera (Nikon D50) was kept at the exact same exposure settings








post #236 of 7369
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Originally Posted by The Catalyst View Post

I'm pretty sure there's a new 950 in the works, but chances are it won't see light of day until end of the year.

the new luxia B9000 LED line will replace the A950 and is to continue the backmounted led array tech with local dimming; AND it will have the thinness of the 6000/7000/8000 luxia by having a seperate wireless tuner box.

here are three links, others with google
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1239968205

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/21/s...s-wireless-ex/

http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2009/04/2...ails-surfaced/

TVbc
post #237 of 7369
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Originally Posted by bluefin View Post

So I have had my 46B750 for about a week now and really the only thing that I can complain about is on a totally black screen, I see some slight clouding. But I know that all LCD's have a little of that unless it is the locally dimmed LED models. All in all, I am still pleased with this set.

Mine too. I notice the slight clouding on a black screen as well (It's not so much or almost perfect at the center; but off center you would only notice.) Also checked the 46B750 in Fry's, it's got the same thing. The 52" seem to have more uniform screen without the slight clouding (never checked it very well though as it was on a higher pedestal.) But I think I will still keep my set. As you've said, this TV just have the inherent nature of these kind of sets without local dimming.

Also the lag when AMP is ON and Game Mode is OFF, playing Wii is just not workable. Game Mode has to be ON when playing Wii. On playing PS3, like Little Big Planet or MGS4, AMP has to be OFF at least for good response while playing the mentioned games. Otherwise, controls would be unnatural and very difficult to manage.

Could you post pictures showing the slight clouding of your set, if you can? (at the center and slightly off center - vertical and horizontal off angles) Thanks.
post #238 of 7369
what are the mechanics to show a completly black screen?meaning how is it done?
thanks
post #239 of 7369
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Originally Posted by TVbc View Post

the new luxia B9000 LED line will replace the A950 and is to continue the backmounted led array tech with local dimming; AND it will have the thinness of the 6000/7000/8000 luxia by having a seperate wireless tuner box.

here are three links, others with google
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1239968205

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/21/s...s-wireless-ex/

http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2009/04/2...ails-surfaced/

TVbc

Too bad it's likely going to cost a minimum $5,000 for the 55-inch version
post #240 of 7369
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Originally Posted by alpass View Post

what are the mechanics to show a completly black screen?meaning how is it done?
thanks

Go to the end of a movie. Usually at the end of the credits, there is an all black screen.
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