Official Samsung LNxxB750 Owners Thread - Page 104

It appears as though the prices have indeed gone up on this set for some reason (unusual as electronics seem to go down not up). I had put a LN46B750 in my Amazon cart about a week ago and the price was $1668. Today it shows as over $2000...will put this purchase on the back burner until the holidays.

Wow, glad I ordered it when I did. Try calling Amazon and telling them you wanted to order the set but today when you checked the price, it had jumped up....they may honor the price of $1668 that it was at yesterday (or 2 days ago). You never know.

And this really gets me mad. Amazon and Cleveland Plasma went way up on the B750. Also, was just in Fry's and BB and the 52" is around $25--. What the hell happened? The money is burning in my pocket but come on. I'll have to keep an eye on Amazon every day and see if i can catch it on a good day.

Don't know if this has any bearing on what is being discussed, but when the new models came out this spring (6000/7000 & b650/750) the 950 and 850/860 were back at full retail at many B& M.

I believe that is close captioning data. Picture size and adjustment can eliminate it.

I feel your pain. I was just about to order a LN52B750 a couple of weeks ago, and the price jumped on me. Last week it came back down so I jumped on it. Mine will be here tomorrow. I suggest you keep checking your cart. I keep one in my cart just to watch it move. Today it went up over $400. WOW.

Yep, screen door is more apparent on plasmas, as well as the less than satisfactory white levels. Kind of ironic since plasma blacks are regarded as being excellent, yet nobody talks about the awful white levels they have.

Anyway, yes, the viewing angles are pretty awful with the B750 line. I actually got my 46B750 set exchanged because of excessive clouding, and while my new B750 has less clouds (still some, that's for sure), the viewing angles are just as bad. Anyone who says the B750 has good viewing angles is clearly WAY less critical of these things, and there's nothing wrong with that. But, for those that notice, the viewing angles, after directly comparing this B750 and last year's A650, - are definitely inferior. Anything to the side of sitting bang smack in the middle turns blacks into this odd hue of blue. Definitely not as noticeable during the day or on very bright material, but in a darker room or on darker material, boy is it awful. I reiterate this point because I'm hoping that Samsung can address this glaring issue with next year's model.

I'm certainly not going to defend this TV just because I own it. It has fantastic contrast (after a LOT of calibration), but it definitely has its faults. Viewing angles and clouding/flashlighting are the biggest. Come on, Samsung!

I dunno, clouding/flashlighting shouldn't be considered a model-wide issue on this set. It seems a majority of users have excellent screen uniformity.

This is a great TV for a single user, like me, who doesn't share the TV with anyone else. For a large room with lots of off-angle seats, fail.

I think it is model-wide. I don't doubt there are some sets out there without obvious issues, but they really are few and far between. I've seen a lot of them, and have followed the clouding issue for years. Don't forget - MOST people won't even care. My neighbor has a LNT4665F from a couple of years ago with some of the worst clouding I've ever seen. I don't have the heart to tell him, and he's never "noticed." And that's him, his wife and two kids who are glued to it pretty much every night!

I agree with you about it being a good single-user TV, if you can sit bang smack in the middle. My wife sits off slightly to the right, and she mentioned the off-angle viewing within 5 minutes of watching. It's unquestionably worse than last year's models.

Well, perhaps you're right, but I came directly from a plasma (no screen uniformity issues) and this screen is just as uniform even in the black of night (as long as I'm *right* in the center, of course).

I'm talking about during movies, not just sitting there watching a blank screen (what would be the point of that?). If I leave the screen blank, sure there might be some very slight variations in places, but come on, it's an LCD, and based on the pics I've seen of bad clouding and flashlighting, this comes nowhere close.

Perhaps I'm one of the ones without any issues?

What kind if angles are you guys talking about when it gets bad? I was thinking of getting the 52b750, but it certainly would not be a single user TV. I am not so sure anymore. What would be a better choice?

My replacement b750 was deemd a "Lost Shipment" by Amazon/Pilot's online tracking program. I called Pilot to check and they could not give me any details. I'm not sure if that means it was damaged before it got to me or it was misplaced. They said they will contact Amazon and send out a new one.

Every profile I see uses a "Warm" color tone. I find this makes all the whites noticeably yellow. How do people correct for this, if they do at all?

By off-center, I mean anything more than say... one foot from the center on either side. In bright content, it's not that bad, but if the scene is consistently dark, you'll notice. If you're sitting outside of an imaginary boundary line extending from each edge of the bezel, you'll notice it big time.

Using the "Normal" color temp vastly improves viewing angles on my set, btw. Using Warm1 is unacceptable. What I mean is, if you're sitting off-angle using Warm1, then switch to Normal, a lot of the wash-out disappears. At least it does for me.

This is assuming you maintain the vertical viewing angle, of course.

The people who post on this forum are no doubt a tiny percentage of the people who have purchased these TVs. And the majority of the people who have posted here do not have clouding or flashlighting issues.

You would have very little evidence to support saying that clouding or flashlighting is a "model-wide" issue.

The panel I have is very uniform, even in a room with all the lights turned off.

Perhaps you have just had bad luck. I have purchased 1 of these TVs and it is without these issues.

I would be just as justified making the claim that 100% of these TVs come with very uniform panels.

I was just noticing how my whites seem to be just about perfect, and I use Warm 1.

I am basing this on things like the mist and clouds on Planet Earth Blu-Ray and the fog on the Pirates Blu-Rays... all without any yellow tinge, or blue tinge for that matter.

How far away from the set?

You seriously see a difference at 1 foot off center?

I don't see any difference from one end of my sofa to the other, the sofa being just about centered on the center of the TV. I have to get at least 4 feet off center before I notice a difference. That's at about 6' away from the TV, which is a 40 inch model.

That's in the horizontal plane, I notice an immediate difference as soon as I stand up. To my eyes the differences in the vertical plane are much more noticeable.

Warm makes things seem yellow because your eyes are used to looking at displays with too much blue.

I had trouble adjusting to it the first time I seriously tried to calibrate a display. Especially in the realm of PC monitors, before a lot of consumer displays had myriads of color controls, a higher color temperature that gave things a significant blue tint was the norm. Growing up with that made me think that a bluer image is supposed to be that way.

However the first calibration tip I ever learned was getting the color temp as close to 6500k as possible to recreate natural sunlight conditions. Everything suddenly looked way way too yellow and I couldn't stand it. That's because your brain adapts to what it repeatedly experiences. It doesn''t help that a blue push makes whites seem a bit brighter/more vibrant which further tricks our minds into thinking it's purer or more accurate.

But after sticking with it for a long time my brain readjusted, and now I can clearly see that what I had grown up with was WAY off. If you had no predisposition to what "looks" natural, you'd be able to clearly recognize a warmer temperature as being closer to natural light.

I'm going to assume off axis viewing produces a significant blue push(my set isn't here yet and I didn't pay much attention to radical angles when I was at BB). If that's the case, normal looks natural because the image is probably already slightly blue tinged. Therefore when you move to the side, it will still look close to the optimal viewing angle. When it's in warm1 it's probably closer to what the color settings would be if calibrated properly. And therefore the blue shift will seem much more pronounced as you move to the side.

Perhaps so, but I'd rather have an image that looks better to my eyes than a so-called "proper" image while sacrificing off-axis viewing.

I posted a problem last week, when watching TV, and I change channels, there is 1 second of static followed by a flash of pink across my screen before the next tv station's picture appears. I've tried unpluging and pluging back in the HDMI cable, but the problem would continue.

I tried doing a search for "static", "pink flash" "changing channels" and came up with this possibly being an IR issue with my Verizon FIOS box sitting so close to the TV, causing some sort of interferrence when I change channels? Any ideas? Thanks for your help.

move it farther away for a test. disconnect and turn off the box, same problem with OTA antenna?
etc

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You are not the only one without issues. I support your statement entirely.

With the B750 we have a terrific display panel. And I'm happy with it because ounce I've evaluated the important elements of the display, I have decided, literately, to be happy with it (we would be wise to apply this principle to the appreciation of the woman in our life).

Some posts I read here are from people who cannot be 100% happy because they wonder if the panel answers all their hopes and wonder if another display beats the one they have.

Can you post your settings? Does this work in both Blu-Ray media and your TV signal? Post it in the settings and calibration thread if you could. Thanks!

Settings thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1142352&page=7

Some HD channels transmit in 720p, others in 1080i. If your STB is configured to PassThrough both resolution, when you change from, say, ABCHD (720p) to CBSHD (1080i) you will get that flash on your display. If you change from ABCHD to FOXHD the channel change is seamless because both channels are transmitting in 720p (same comment from NBCHD to CBSHD because both are in 1080i).

The solution: Reconfigure your STB to transmit only in 1080i for HD channels. The STB will do the conversion and the channel change will be done seamlessly.

For SD channels, only 480i resolution will be transmitted so it will be without hesitation. When you reconfigure your STB make sure to select NORMAL 480i and not WIDE. The first time you select a SD channel it will be in 4:3 aspect. You should then press P.Size on your remote for Wide screen. That wide aspect will be remembered by the TV for SD channels from that point on. The TV does a better display in WIDE aspect than the STB.

i seem to be having a ghosting problem with my set...i am one of those people who does like the soap opera effect...i can't seem to fix the problem...I'm wondering if it's something wrong with my set or it just happens no matter what...i've set it to standard...custom with blur at 10 and judder at 5 and i can't seem to get rid of the ghosting...any help would be greatly appreciated

Another data point: Last fall, when the new A630/A850, etc. came out, older A650/750 models went back up in price and remained there for many months after Christmas, then went on closeout.

My guess: as time goes on, retailers get close to their cost on older models. Then, when they buy newer models for much less than the older models, they not only make greater margins on the new ones, but the higher price they can charge for them allows them to raise prices on the old ones to make a little more on them until closeout.

Also, negotiate for big discounts within weeks of a new model release. My guess: retailers want to get a buzz going about the new models by quickly getting some out into the public. This worked for me last fall on the A630 and A850 models.

I have posted my settings for Blu-Ray in that thread.

Actually I am using Warm 2, I thought I was using Warm 1 but during the process of typing out settings I discovered that I was mistaken.

The settings I posted are the ones I use for Blu-Ray. Frankly I haven't really done a lot of tweaking or serious comparisons on the HDTV side of things, I can't really say that the settings I use are worth posting just yet.

I was thinking just the other day, wouldn't it be great if we could order the DVE Calibration on PPV? That would be so handy for tweaking the HDTV settings!

I believe the price increases are due to the coming labor day holiday.........these things will likely be on sale throughout the holiday.

My new 52incher showed up from Amazon today. I used the CNET settings and will watch my first shows tonight. Finally the hunt for new TV's is over (for this year). All I can say is I did my part to help the economy.

I had my eye on this TV (46-inch) but for some reason all the prices have gone up about $500. Will definitely be looking at other sets now...