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post #91 of 1488
6/16/09 at 2:20pm
Movie mode looks like crap when initially set. But if you alter the settings a bit and raise the backlight to around 7-8, the PQ is fantastic. The picture has almost the same pop as dynamic but with more accurate colors.
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post #92 of 1488
6/16/09 at 3:01pm
I first tried the cnet settings but colors looked muted.

Then I tried SteveCallas' settings (thanks steve!) on the main thread. Colors look more vibrant but still natural and blacks and whites are good.

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Mode: Movie
Backlight: 5
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 48
Sharpness: 0
Color: 52
Tint: G50/R50
Black tone: Darker
Dynamic contrast: Off
Gamma: 0
Color space: Auto
Flesh tone: 0
Edge enhancement: Off
xvYCC: Off

R-Offset: 23
G-Offset: 23
B-Offset: 25
R-Gain: 24
G-Gain: 23
B-Gain: 27

Color tone: Warm1
Digital NR: Off
HDMI black level: Normal
Film mode: Off
Blur reduction: 10
Judder reduction: 1

Game Mode: Off
Energy saving: Off
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post #93 of 1488
6/16/09 at 4:28pm
Yeah, I was just gonna say that my blacks and grey detail look very good in response to this:

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Anyone figured out how to fix the black levels?

When calibrating I can see everything and it looks about right. When I am watching tv/movie or playing a game the darks seem way too dark. Is that how it's supposed to be and my previous TV wasn't able to get that dark or do I have something wrong?

If I up the brightness or the backlight from where it's at I end up with greys instead of blacks. My settings are very close to bmpurs right now and I'm having trouble seeing the dark stuff in both darkness and in well lit rooms.


Mode: Movie
Backlight: 5
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 48-51 (source dependent)
Sharpness: 0
Color: 52
Tint: G50/R50
Black tone: Darker
Dynamic contrast: Off
Gamma: 0
Color space: Auto
Flesh tone: 0
Edge enhancement: Off
xvYCC: Off

White Balance (source dependent)

Color tone: Warm1
Digital NR: Off
HDMI black level: Normal
Film mode: Off
Blur reduction: 10
Judder reduction: 0

Game Mode: Off
Energy saving: Off
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post #94 of 1488
6/17/09 at 2:53pm
When I calibrated my set from S & M Bluray calibration disc lowering the contrast to about 93-94 and keeping brightness at 48 in movie mode seemed to set the right black level without crushing.
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post #95 of 1488
6/17/09 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by Tandrin View Post

When I calibrated my set from S & M Bluray calibration disc lowering the contrast to about 93-94 and keeping brightness at 48 in movie mode seemed to set the right black level without crushing.

Hmmm, if anything, it appears that this tv needs to have the contrast control go higher than 100, as above white (255) appears more vibrantly white than standard white (235) on my dvd player, my hd dvd player, and my xbox 360.
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post #96 of 1488
6/17/09 at 10:26pm
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Originally Posted by SteveCallas View Post

Hmmm, if anything, it appears that this tv needs to have the contrast control go higher than 100, as above white (255) appears more vibrantly white than standard white (235) on my dvd player, my hd dvd player, and my xbox 360.

I agree with that assessment.
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post #97 of 1488
6/18/09 at 3:36am
I'm finding the CNET settings to be excellent. The only real modification I've made is moved up to Warm1 from Warm2 and bumped up the Brightness to 50. Picture quality is outstanding.
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post #98 of 1488
6/18/09 at 6:02am
It may just be me but the Cnet settings, with sharpness at 0, looks blurry to me. I've tried someone's modified settings on here and tweaked them a little, especially turning sharpness up to 20-30 and it looks much better to me. Is there a reason to have sharpness at 0?
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post #99 of 1488
6/18/09 at 6:12am
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Originally Posted by 2ndopp View Post

GAMERS!


Lag vs Correct color issue

I found a fix to get proper colors and still lessen lag over at a UK review of their 2009 Sammies. With a few changes to their rules, it's works on Ln52b750's as well. Here is what I did:

Plug in your Xbox/PS3 hdmi into Hdmi 1 on the TV. Do not turn on Game mode, instead go in to source name edit and select DVI PC as the name. This turns on a faster processing mode for this input. This will turn off the 240hz and edge enhancement and grey them out. It will also make it so you can not change sharpness from 20... but you can dial in the cnet's dark room calibration recommendations.

Picture:

Mode: Movie
Backlight: 3
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 46
Sharpness: (Greyed out at 20)
Color: (Greyed out at 50)
Tint: (Greyed out 50/50)

Advanced setting:
Dynamic contrast: Off
Gamma: 0
White balance:
R 23
G 24
B 25
R 27
G 23
B 15
(all other Advanced settings, like edge enhance, are Off and greyed out)

Picture Options:
Color tone: Warm2
Size: 16:9 (even though this is the only option, since the tv is in PC mode, it actually screen fits the pixels)
Hdmi Black level: Low
(All other picture options, including 240hz, are Off and greyed out)

I will try this because I popped in MLB The Show for the first time since getting this TV and I was late on every pitch and was walking guys left and right. Putting it on Game Mode fixed it but the graphics were horrible.

What does this do to your Blu-Rays? I would have 240hz off anyway so Im ok there.
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post #100 of 1488
6/19/09 at 3:08pm
the sharpness is at 0 for hd material. for sd you need to set it as you like it :-)
and of course if you put sharpness to a high value you should not activate edge enhancement.

sharpness is at 0 for hd material because hd material should arrive "as is". thus it does not need "sharpening".
a difference is upscaled sd (for example from a hdmi dvd player). this comes to the tv in hd, but may need additional sharpening if the player does not do it.
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post #101 of 1488
6/19/09 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by disorganizer View Post

the sharpness is at 0 for hd material. for sd you need to set it as you like it :-)
and of course if you put sharpness to a high value you should not activate edge enhancement.

sharpness is at 0 for hd material because hd material should arrive "as is". thus it does not need "sharpening".
a difference is upscaled sd (for example from a hdmi dvd player). this comes to the tv in hd, but may need additional sharpening if the player does not do it.


I find that even HD material with a sharpness of 0 looks blurry. For bluray or any other 1080p playback, a sharpness of around 20 seems to be the sweet spot. For 1080i Comcast HD, I've found 30 works best.
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post #102 of 1488
6/19/09 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by 5150Joker View Post

I find that even HD material with a sharpness of 0 looks blurry. For bluray or any other 1080p playback, a sharpness of around 20 seems to be the sweet spot. For 1080i Comcast HD, I've found 30 works best.

Agreed, I've settled on a sharpness of 25.
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post #103 of 1488
6/19/09 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by SteveCallas View Post

Hmmm, if anything, it appears that this tv needs to have the contrast control go higher than 100, as above white (255) appears more vibrantly white than standard white (235) on my dvd player, my hd dvd player, and my xbox 360.

I had it at 100 but I lost detail in some of the color, contrast, and brightness tests and had to back it down to get a good balance on the ps3.
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post #104 of 1488
6/20/09 at 10:28am
I had settings that generally looked great, but I was still losing way too much detail in the dark areas -- everything looked solid black. After getting some ideas from this thread and experimenting (using the good sample material in "Charlie Wilson's War", lots of people in black suits!) I came up with settings that look great, really natural, and have so much detail in areas that used to just be black.

What helped most was boosting Gamma to +3, but all the other settings made a difference too.


TV Mode: LN52B750

mode: Movie

Backlight: 5
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 57
Sharpness: 25
Color: 50
Tint: 50/50

Advanced Settings:
Black Tone: Off
Dynamic Contrast: Low
Gamma: +3
Color Space: Auto
Flesh Tone: +2
Edge Enhancement: Off
xvYCC: Off

Picture Options:
Color Tone: Warm1
Size: 16x9
Digital NR: Auto
[HDMI Black Level: Normal]
[Film Mode: Off]
Blue Only Mode: Off
AMP 240hz: Custom, 8/3
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post #105 of 1488
6/20/09 at 11:18am
I'm pretty new to calibrating, but I've enjoyed playing with the settings. Unfortunately my backlight went out Tuesday so I am awaiting a replacement now.

I have a few questions and if anyone would like to take a shot at any of them I'd be appreciative.

1. I used Cool but it seems most people use Warm 1 or 2. It seemed like the picture was too red and/or I read that somewhere to believe it. Any thoughts or reasoning on your preferences?

2. Faces look too red. After adjusting my settings to something i liked, I'd have to adjust the Flesh Tone to -3 or -4 to get it down to a level that wasn't obvious. Is there another or better way to do this?

3. I used AVIA (and may try DVE). I set the 5 major settings and that was interesting and easy. I also checked Blue level with the TVs blue filter. Is there a way to set the other color levels, the white balance, grey levels, etc. using the calibration discs and tools I could acquire for less than $20-30 (ie filters, etc.)?

4. How widely do your settings vary for watching HD STB and movies on Blu-Ray?

Thanks for all the input. Looking forward to getting my new TV and see if there's much difference.
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post #106 of 1488
6/20/09 at 11:48am
anyone want to post their audio setup?
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post #107 of 1488
6/20/09 at 12:36pm
Brightness 57? That produces nothing but washed-out and gray blacks. It might bring out shadow detail, but it destroys the blackness.

EDIT: Ok, it's not *that* bad, but some blacks _are_ washed out.
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post #108 of 1488
6/20/09 at 1:00pm
Yeah.....while I advocate some leeway for personal preference after calibrating to standards, some of the posted settings are way, way out there. To each his own though.
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post #109 of 1488
6/20/09 at 1:55pm
Yeah, brightness 57 is way out there... I wouldn't use more than 50 myself.

He does have a point with the gamma, though. Bumping the gamma up to +2 or +3 really does bring out shadow detail without losing black intensity. Dunno how it messes up other things, though.
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post #110 of 1488
6/21/09 at 7:17am
i found that gamma gives me a bit washed out colors.
but reducing my brightness by 5 helped this effect.
they are now:
Code:
moviemode
backlight: 5
contrast: 95
brightness: 40
sharpness: 0 or 50
color: 50
tint: 50/50
black: off
opt.contrast: off
gamma: +2
color space: native
whitebalance: defaults
skin tone: -2
edge enhancement: off
color temp: normal
fimmode: auto2
200hz: 10/1
autodim: off
notice color temp is on normal here.
i use fim mode now because i noticed global dimming is obviously turned off there (or lower) compared to the same settings in standard mode.
firmware is 1010

i will still have to experiment with finding the best compromise between blacks, gamma and brghtness though. but it looks rather good now.
(except 2 stuck pixels i found)


regarding the settings posted before mine:
what strikes me more about those is color 50 with a skintone of +2?
this gives red faces on my tv.

so im still hoping for more calibrated results. if someone could try to get tweaktv to calibrate a 750 please :-)
im also wondering why so many tv-magazines do not test the 750. i think they believe its identical to the 650, which is not true (the 650 settings look awful on my set).
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post #111 of 1488
6/21/09 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by SoapDoctor View Post

Anyone figured out how to fix the black levels?

When calibrating I can see everything and it looks about right. When I am watching tv/movie or playing a game the darks seem way too dark. Is that how it's supposed to be and my previous TV wasn't able to get that dark or do I have something wrong?

If I up the brightness or the backlight from where it's at I end up with greys instead of blacks. My settings are very close to bmpurs right now and I'm having trouble seeing the dark stuff in both darkness and in well lit rooms.

Using my AVIA calibration DVD, by reducing Contrast from 100 to 75, I was able to see an improved gradation of blacks. Blacks will not be improved by changing the Brightness setting.
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post #112 of 1488
6/21/09 at 7:43am
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Originally Posted by czamara View Post

I had settings that generally looked great, but I was still losing way too much detail in the dark areas -- everything looked solid black. After getting some ideas from this thread and experimenting (using the good sample material in "Charlie Wilson's War", lots of people in black suits!) I came up with settings that look great, really natural, and have so much detail in areas that used to just be black.

What helped most was boosting Gamma to +3, but all the other settings made a difference too.


TV Mode: LN52B750

mode: Movie

Backlight: 5
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 57
Sharpness: 25
Color: 50
Tint: 50/50

Advanced Settings:
Black Tone: Off
Dynamic Contrast: Low
Gamma: +3
Color Space: Auto
Flesh Tone: +2
Edge Enhancement: Off
xvYCC: Off

Picture Options:
Color Tone: Warm1
Size: 16x9
Digital NR: Auto
[HDMI Black Level: Normal]
[Film Mode: Off]
Blue Only Mode: Off
AMP 240hz: Custom, 8/3[IMG]http://***************/9/P/i.jpg[/IMG]

Danke..Gonna try these out to see if they make a difference, similar to mine but you said all settings made an overall difference.
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post #113 of 1488
6/21/09 at 8:34pm
I have this TV, but I haven't even used it yet. Well, actually, without removing it completely from the box, I did hook my PS3 and then my 360 up to it. I wasn't impressed, but I wasn't viewing it in ideal conditions. I was sitting on the floor very close to it, and I was just messing around with the settings without much direction. Now I'm really ready to set it up, and reading all this stuff makes me a little nervous. I only had CRT's before. My last TV was a a 30" widescreen Samsung slimfit CRT. Now I've got this 52" B750, and I wasn't all that sure about it even when I bought it.

I guess I'm rambling too much. Here's my question. Do you guys think it's worth it to have a professional calibrate the TV? Can't they access more settings using some kind of diagnostics computer?

I watch Blu-ray movies (with my PS3), but gaming is the most important to me. I want my games to look good and I'm concerned about lag.

This settings thread has lots of varying suggestions and now I'm not sure what to do or if I'm even happy that I bought the TV.

Thanks for any advice.
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post #114 of 1488
6/21/09 at 10:19pm
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Originally Posted by olanmills View Post

I have this TV, but I haven't even used it yet. Well, actually, without removing it completely from the box, I did hook my PS3 and then my 360 up to it. I wasn't impressed, but I wasn't viewing it in ideal conditions. I was sitting on the floor very close to it, and I was just messing around with the settings without much direction. Now I'm really ready to set it up, and reading all this stuff makes me a little nervous. I only had CRT's before. My last TV was a a 30" widescreen Samsung slimfit CRT. Now I've got this 52" B750, and I wasn't all that sure about it even when I bought it.

I guess I'm rambling too much. Here's my question. Do you guys think it's worth it to have a professional calibrate the TV? Can't they access more settings using some kind of diagnostics computer?

I watch Blu-ray movies (with my PS3), but gaming is the most important to me. I want my games to look good and I'm concerned about lag.

This settings thread has lots of varying suggestions and now I'm not sure what to do or if I'm even happy that I bought the TV.

Thanks for any advice.


This is the best CCFL HDTV on the market, you won't find anything better. But if gaming is your main concern, you may want to look into a plasma TV, they have the least amount of input lag. Get a Panasonic V10 or G10.
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post #115 of 1488
6/22/09 at 8:44am
I have the LN46A850, I purchased it from BestBuy and love it. I still have about a week to return and exchange it for the LN46B750 if I want (with additional cost). I learned from reviews that the LN46B750 is only slightly darker 0.04 cd/m2 vs. 0.05 cd/m2 for the LN46A850 (based on reviews in links). My question is has anyone properly calibrated their set? I really like my current settings and wonder if the LNXXB750 looks that much better? Also I read that off angle viewing is not as good as the LNXXA850s, is this true?

Hdtvtest review: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsu...0090526151.htm

Pcmag review: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2342493,00.asp
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post #116 of 1488
6/22/09 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by 5150Joker View Post

This is the best CCFL HDTV on the market, you won't find anything better. But if gaming is your main concern, you may want to look into a plasma TV, they have the least amount of input lag. Get a Panasonic V10 or G10.

Nah, input lag isn't an issue on this set as long as game mode is on. I came from a plasma and I don't notice a difference in input lag.
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post #117 of 1488
6/23/09 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by Dolfan349 View Post

Brightness 57? That produces nothing but washed-out and gray blacks. It might bring out shadow detail, but it destroys the blackness.

EDIT: Ok, it's not *that* bad, but some blacks _are_ washed out.

On the Bluray DVD I used, it was good, but I agree that on normal TV things did look a bit too gray. I dialed brightness back to 49 and Gamma to +2, and although some shadow detail is lost, it looks really good for HD shows on DirecTV. I'm really happy with the picture overall now.

It would be nice to have different settings for TV and Bluray but I do the HDMI switching in my A/V receiver and have a single HDMI connection to the TV, so I can't get the benefit of separate settings for each input.
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post #118 of 1488
6/24/09 at 3:37pm
hey guys, I just got my 46" this weekend and am really impressed. I have a few questions about professional calibration though. Through ISF there are 3 companies in my area that do it. Two haven't returned multiple phone calls. The one place that called me back is a guy that does this on the side on Saturday mornings. I checked out his equipment and its all fairly recent. He wants $300 to calibrate by cable, 360, and PS3 and said it would take 4-6 hours.

My only concern is that because he does this on the side I'm afraid he could screw up my TV... would you feel okay with this guy?

One of the places I'm trying to get a hold of is a known local high-end home theater installation company. I used to know someone who worked here and would trust them a lot more but also will probably pay more...

Thanks!
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post #119 of 1488
6/24/09 at 5:33pm
Unless there is a user menu a calibrator can get into that isn't normally accessible, I see no point in paying for calibration of this set. The available options and controls can make this set meet standards quite well.

Download the free AVS blue ray calibration disc for your PS3 and some 1920 x 1080 calibration patterns on the internet to put on a USB stick for the Xbox 360. Then, knowing the settings you used for the PS3 and Xbox 360, you should be able to get cable in line without any calibration media.

This display isn't terribly fussy - you'll notice most of us have settled on essentially the same settings. Only a few crazy people with some really whacky settings
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post #120 of 1488
6/25/09 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by SteveCallas View Post

Unless there is a user menu a calibrator can get into that isn't normally accessible, I see no point in paying for calibration of this set. The available options and controls can make this set meet standards quite well.

Download the free AVS blue ray calibration disc for your PS3 and some 1920 x 1080 calibration patterns on the internet to put on a USB stick for the Xbox 360. Then, knowing the settings you used for the PS3 and Xbox 360, you should be able to get cable in line without any calibration media.

This display isn't terribly fussy - you'll notice most of us have settled on essentially the same settings. Only a few crazy people with some really whacky settings

Thanks, I've started with the Cnet settings and adjusted from there but its just seems too dark and its missing detail during dark scenes. (like when watching shows similar NCIS)

I'll have to look into the AVS disc and the 360 patterns as I've never done anything like this before. Its my first LCD set, and HD for that matter.

Also, the one guy I talked to told me to dial down the contrast and brightness to a usable but not bright level so I don't damage anything before he calibrates it. Should I listen to him or can I set those to what I like without damaging anything?
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