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post #1021 of 11219
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Originally Posted by happy nightmares View Post

Who is the 737 for? Anybody who wants a quality BIG TV without spending much money. Good all-around performance. Amazing value. Enough said.

Who is the 837 for? People who want a BIG TV and are typically attracted to high-end performance, but lack the bankroll to fund a television costing the equivalent of a small car. Realizing DLPs have their limitations, they still want as close to high-end performance as they can get, while staying within a reasonable budget.

And what do both people share in common? They are willing to sacrifice a little bit of image quality for much bigger size and much cheaper price.

I've had a few beers. I feel like a Mitsubishi salesman.

Ummm sound sort of like one too
post #1022 of 11219
It seemed like the reviewer really took issue with the menus...
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I've just purchased a WD-60737 and can say I am very impressed so far after a week and a half. I use an SD Dish 522 as a source along with an OTA antenna for HD. One weird thing that I've noticed is when watching a program called "America's Got Talent" in SD (480i), when there is a transition from one scene to another, they fade to dark. As they fade, peoples faces become mottled or blotchy. It isn't as noticeable, if at all in HD OTA. I was wondering if anyone else has noticed this and if it's just the nature of the beast? I intend to upgrade to Dish HD, but SD broadcasts may be the same. I have not noticed it on any other program, but not many do the same kind of fade. I would post a photo, but I just realized I erased the program.

Thanks in advance for you help.
post #1024 of 11219
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Originally Posted by happy nightmares View Post

Hehe.. I noticed in the screenshots of the TVs menu in the review, it appears to have the same minor geometry issue we've been seeing... if you look at the top left side of the menu's border you will see it curves up slightly and closer to the frame edge than the top right side.

If you had not pointed out what to look for I probably would not have noticed the irregularity in the geometry. Of course it is a small picture...
post #1025 of 11219
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Originally Posted by Stumpy91 View Post

I've just purchased a WD-60737 and can say I am very impressed so far after a week and a half. I use an SD Dish 522 as a source along with an OTA antenna for HD. One weird thing that I've noticed is when watching a program called "America's Got Talent" in SD (480i), when there is a transition from one scene to another, they fade to dark. As they fade, peoples faces become mottled or blotchy. It isn't as noticeable, if at all in HD OTA. I was wondering if anyone else has noticed this and if it's just the nature of the beast? I intend to upgrade to Dish HD, but SD broadcasts may be the same. I have not noticed it on any other program, but not many do the same kind of fade. I would post a photo, but I just realized I erased the program.

Thanks in advance for you help.

I wonder if what you are seeing is the result of compression that Dish uses? I would think if you did not see it OTA, but only saw it through Dish, viewing the same program then it must be something Dish is doing...
post #1026 of 11219
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Originally Posted by Bama29 View Post

If you had not pointed out what to look for I probably would not have noticed the irregularity in the geometry

Right, and that's the extent of the issue. It's not a big deal. Minor bowing/rising/dipping seen at certain points when viewing large menus. In the worst cases, letterbox bars that aren't quite even, but those cases seem to be rare, and there are adjustments for that too.

Bama, I know you are considering buying one, so don't let it scare you.

I'm full-blown obsessive compulsive, and I see 'everything'. If there's a flaw in something, I will find it. It's a curse, really.
post #1027 of 11219
I'd argue that if you're sitting 12' or more from your TV that you aren't even "giving up a little PQ". You're just trading a little PQ in one area for more PQ in another. Unless that it is no longer a *small* car you're willing to pay for. . . .
post #1028 of 11219
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Originally Posted by happy nightmares View Post

Right, and that's the extent of the issue. It's not a big deal. Minor bowing/rising/dipping seen at certain points when viewing large menus. In the worst cases, letterbox bars that aren't quite even, but those cases seem to be rare, and there are adjustments for that too.

Bama, I know you are considering buying one, so don't let it scare you.

I'm full-blown obsessive compulsive, and I see 'everything'. If there's a flaw in something, I will find it. It's a curse, really.

I think I must have a bit of that disorder... Probably why I am having such a hard time making a decision I get a great picture on my Sony 52W4100, but that 73" size is calling me......
post #1029 of 11219
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

I think this is the first 73737 "pro" review , just came up:

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-33604505.html

As much as we didn't mind the utilitarian styling of the TV itself, we couldn't stand the remote control. Where to begin? A confusing jumble of same-size keys surrounds a Tinkerbell-size cursor control that's all-but-unusable (unfortunately, operating the TV requires using it all the time). The four main function buttons blend together, none of the keys are illuminated and all are hard to tell apart by feel or location. There's also no dedicated key to switch aspect ratio. You can use the remote to control up to four other pieces of gear, but you probably won't want to. A universal remote is almost a necessity with this TV, if only so you can put the horrendous included clicker away forever.

Gotta agree 100% with that! This Remote SUCKS!!!
post #1030 of 11219
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Originally Posted by happy nightmares View Post

I wanted to highlight that post because I don't think anyone has given instructions for this before. I know we've talked about how to move the 16 points, but I don't remember seeing an explanation for how these other adjustments were used. Good stuff. Thanks for posting it bkwells.

And to those people who don't have, don't notice, or don't care about small geometry issues, just another friendly reminder to STAY OUT of the service menu. You can easily cause more harm than good if you're not careful. If you don't already notice a problem, don't go looking to fix one.

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Originally Posted by bkwells View Post

While in the 16 pt screen, hit the down button on the remote - not the one surrounding the enter button, but the one below that. I'm not at home right now and don't have the remote in front of me at the moment. If I remember correctly, it's in between the volume down and the "-" buttons.

Your first screen should have a red line across the top about where the letterbox will be. Use the FF and Rewind buttons to adjust. Hit the down button again and you can adjust the red line across the bottom. Hit down again and the screen with 2 blue lines along the left and right sides where you would typically see the black bars on 4:3 material is next. Hit FF or rewind repeatable to cycle through the various settings until you find the setting you like.

Oops - I just checked these and got them backward a bit - the blue lines come first, followed by the top red line, then the bottom red line.
post #1031 of 11219
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Originally Posted by bkwells View Post

As much as we didn't mind the utilitarian styling of the TV itself, we couldn't stand the remote control. Where to begin? A confusing jumble of same-size keys surrounds a Tinkerbell-size cursor control that's all-but-unusable (unfortunately, operating the TV requires using it all the time). The four main function buttons blend together, none of the keys are illuminated and all are hard to tell apart by feel or location. There's also no dedicated key to switch aspect ratio. You can use the remote to control up to four other pieces of gear, but you probably won't want to. A universal remote is almost a necessity with this TV, if only so you can put the horrendous included clicker away forever.

Gotta agree 100% with that! This Remote SUCKS!!!

Not having a dedicated Format key is really stoopid, yep. And the rocker where you do most of your work being small, hard, and sharp is a close second.
post #1032 of 11219
bkwells, thanks for getting back to my question about the additional geometry adjustments. I can now honestly say that I have perfect black bars in 4:3 and 16:9 formats. I got to admit, I was a bit hesitant about adjusting about making the adjustments to the red and blue lines because I didn't see the yellow cross bar or any points. But, I noticed that by pressing the forward/rewind button actually adjusts the whole line. I made a couple of minor tweaks and that's all it needed. Now I can finally lay my geometry frustrations to rest

For those guys who are contemplating whether they should tinker with their geometry, I can tell you it can turn out to be a very stressful task. There were a few times where I made the geometry worse than I first started with. Since I noticed excessive bowing on my screen on 3 sides, I took a chance. Also, I didn't realize that this was common among DLPs at first, otherwise I would have left it the way it was. But, it did bother me which lead to look into it further. Luckily, there are adjustments available. If your problem is minor, I personally wouldn't bother with it.

Thanks again bkwells and georule for helping me resolve my geometry issue.
post #1033 of 11219
The problem with the geometry on these sets is the sheer size of the lenticular screen fighting gravity. It bows a bit in the center and towards the lower half, because it rests on the bottom edge of the screen itself, like trying to stand a piece of paper on one edge by itself.

I don't know if, or how it would be possible, but if you could rig it so the screen is actually hung from the top of it's frame "floating" and NOT touching/resting all it's weight on the bottom, yet still inside the bezel (so it doesn't flop around)- that would eliminate 99% of these reported geometry issues.
post #1034 of 11219
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Originally Posted by avlogic View Post

bkwells, thanks for getting back to my question about the additional geometry adjustments. I can now honestly say that I have perfect black bars in 4:3 and 16:9 formats. I got to admit, I was a bit hesitant about adjusting about making the adjustments to the red and blue lines because I didn't see the yellow cross bar or any points. But, I noticed that by pressing the forward/rewind button actually adjusts the whole line. I made a couple of minor tweaks and that's all it needed. Now I can finally lay my geometry frustrations to rest

For those guys who are contemplating whether they should tinker with their geometry, I can tell you it can turn out to be a very stressful task. There were a few times where I made the geometry worse than I first started with. Since I noticed excessive bowing on my screen on 3 sides, I took a chance. Also, I didn't realize that this was common among DLPs at first, otherwise I would have left it the way it was. But, it did bother me which lead to look into it further. Luckily, there are adjustments available. If your problem is minor, I personally wouldn't bother with it.

Thanks again bkwells and georule for helping me resolve my geometry issue.

No reason for it to be stressful. . .there is a Restore function to take it back to factory reset if you mess it up. At least unless you backup your geometry (there's also a function for that) which presumably overwrites the factory setting. I think I would not back user adjustments up tho, because I wouldn't want to lose the factory reset option.
post #1035 of 11219
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Originally Posted by nicholc2 View Post

FYI, HHGregg now has the 82737 listed on their website. That usually means an appearance in a store can't be too far off. :-)

http://www.hhgregg.com/ProductListin...ojection%20DLP

Chad, I got a call from my dealer yesterday. The billing info for my WD-82837 just hit his computer. He said that means it should be in within the week.
post #1036 of 11219
Anyone with a WD-73737 have issues with aliasing (jaggies)?
post #1037 of 11219
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Originally Posted by bslep View Post

Chad, I got a call from my dealer yesterday. The billing info for my WD-82837 just hit his computer. He said that means it should be in within the week.

Cool!
post #1038 of 11219
Here is the settings that Katzmaier used for the 65737.

Picture menu, Video Settings, Picture Mode: ADV

Picture + menu, Advanced Picture Settings
Picture Mode: ADV
H Position: 33
V Position: 28
Deepfield Imager: Off
Super Resolution: Off
SharpEdge: Off
Video Noise: Off
Brightness: 34
Contrast: 31
Color: 29
Tint: 30
Sharpness: 31
Gamma: 2.2
Red High: 986
Green High: 1021
Blue High: 1014
Red Low: 5
Green Low: -1
Blue Low: -1
Blue Only: Off
Red Adjust: 15, 0, 0
Green Adjust: 0, 15, 0
Blue Adjust: 0, 0, 15
Magenta Adjust: 15, 0, 15
Cyan Adjust: 0, 15, 15
Yellow Adjust: 15, 15, 0

Global menu:
Film Mode: Auto
Smooth 120Hz: On

Initial menu, Lamp:
Lamp Energy: Standard
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Any thoughts about the color adjustments he did? What do those values specifically indicate? Also seems like sharpness is a little high. Gonna try these when I get home and see if it helps with my colors. But even different tvs of the same model using these settings might have a slightly different picture right?
post #1039 of 11219
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Originally Posted by Al K Hall View Post

Anyone with a WD-73737 have issues with aliasing (jaggies)?

Only on some ties with thin lines on them and the occassional pinstripe suit. Have you tried turning off SharpEdge? I find that often helps, but some ties are just not much help to be had.
post #1040 of 11219
Hey Happy,

What is your experience with the 120hz setting? Have you noticed a diff with 24p materiel on either 737 or the 837 or are you seeing what Cnet saw? Nothing different.
post #1041 of 11219
Who has the best price on the 65837? I just sold my 60XBR2 to my brother in-law and I'm on the hunt for a good price. They appear to be running around two grand in general.
post #1042 of 11219
I tried these settings on my WD-60737. I watched the Dark Knight on Bluray and these settings seemed to give my picture more "pop" to it than my previous settings. I don't have a calibration disc, so I don't know if these exact settings suit my tv particularly. Colors look accurate to me, although I don't have anything to reference them with.

I personally like to turn video noise to HIGH when watching dvds and some Bluray movies like Ghostbusters that show excessive grain.
post #1043 of 11219
nicholc2, on my wd-60737, I honestly can't tell any difference with 120hz on.
post #1044 of 11219
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Originally Posted by georule View Post

Only on some ties with thin lines on them and the occassional pinstripe suit. Have you tried turning off SharpEdge? I find that often helps, but some ties are just not much help to be had.

Actually, I notice the jaggies on round objects.

I tried sharp edge off and on, no difference. I thought sharp edge was supposed to help with anti-aliasing?
post #1045 of 11219
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Originally Posted by jbug View Post

Who has the best price on the 65837? I just sold my 60XBR2 to my brother in-law and I'm on the hunt for a good price. They appear to be running around two grand in general.

Yeah, right now I'd call the over/under on 65837 at $1,999 re "good deal". Anything you do better than that in either throw ins (extended warranty, stand) or better price is gravy.
post #1046 of 11219
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Originally Posted by Al K Hall View Post

Actually, I notice the jaggies on round objects.

I tried sharp edge off and on, no difference. I thought sharp edge was supposed to help with anti-aliasing?

Aliasing comes in a few different forms. Maybe it does in some, but not all. In some it will increase it as it is creating more edge data than is actually in the video signal. The upscaler (Plush1080p) probably does more for aliasing, at least on SD sources.

Of course, I have the 60" and you have the 73". So your pixels are bigger, and aliasing will be a little more noticeable to you.
post #1047 of 11219
I recently experimented with the Super Resolution feature to see what difference it would make for the picture. What I found was that by reducing Sharpness to 0, turning Sharpedge ON, and adjusting Super Resolution to Low or Medium, I can definitely notice a sharper picture without the excessive edge enhancement.

I noticed that Super Resolution seems to work only when Sharpedge is turned ON.

In my opinion, I think the Super Resolution and Sharpedge combined does a better job at adding more definition to text and fine lines as long as Sharpness is set to 0.

I personally don't notice the excessive edge enhancement unless Super Resolution is turned to High.
post #1048 of 11219
What is super resolution, is that a feature on the 837 models? I didn't notice it on my 737.
post #1049 of 11219
So I have been lurking in here for a while and was convinced to purcahse the WD60737 (would have gotten the 837, but the a 65 won't fit in my custom in wall "hole".

I have one problem with the TV though....How do I get this huge box home? My plan was to pick it up tonight, and transport it on its side (won't fit in the SUV upright...but after some searching on the net about transporting DLP's I am terrified to do so. Can someone put my mind at ease, and tell me that they think everything is going to be ok shipping it on its side provided i do not get into a wreck on the way home?

Thanks for everyones past posts made my decision making easy...
post #1050 of 11219
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Originally Posted by ashaal View Post

I have one problem with the TV though....How do I get this huge box home? My plan was to pick it up tonight, and transport it on its side (won't fit in the SUV upright...but after some searching on the net about transporting DLP's I am terrified to do so. Can someone put my mind at ease, and tell me that they think everything is going to be ok shipping it on its side provided i do not get into a wreck on the way home?

..

Bad,bad,bad idea. Don't even think about transporting a DLP on its side.
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