2009 Mitsubishi Owners Thread (C9/737/837) - Page 244

I love this tv... But I can't find any good settings for my xbox 360... Looks pretty crappy. But the tv looks great.

You will never find a perfect setting for the xbox360 because the xbox360 has a non linear gamma. Some games will look good but that's because the game developer accounted for the gamma issue when making the game. Unfortunately, more often than not this isn't the case.

Good thing the ps3 doesn't have these issues aye.

Interesting--my Xbox 360 looks absolutely amazing on my 65C9 while the PS3 is not good--it has shimmering outlines around many objects no matter which game I'm playing.

Just noticed I seem to have about 15 dead pixels on my set. They weren't there originally. Happened to be up near the screen doing something else and looked over and saw a couple, then did a closer examination. They aren't visible from sitting distance.

Does anyone know what Mits standard is for fixing such things? I've got about another week on my original manufacturer warranty, and then the Mack extended kicks in.

At this level (15 out of 2,073,600) I'm really not concerned about it. . . if it doesn't get worse.

Edit: Soo, after putting the test image up and counting. . .closer to 25. Looked at my reciept for the set, and in fact *today* is the last day of the manufacturer warranty (i.e. tomorrow is my one year anniversary).

Called Mits. They put me in contact with a local repair place. Those folks are ordering a replacement light-engine. Mack should be happy I decided to do this today rather than tomorrow.

probably need a light engine. I never heard of any specific dead pixel policy.

Probably a setting issue. turn of any post processing you have on. my ps3 looks great without the issue you describe.

The issue with the xbox has everything to do with shadow detail. Namely, many games crush detail because of the inaccurate gamma.

Such policies are pretty common with LCDs and require that at least x pixels be dead, or at least if fewer than x are dead no two of them be closer than y distance to each other. Dunno about DLPs.

Anyway, not the least bit of hassle from Mits about it so far. Hopefully that continues. Took a close look at the 65" C9 upstairs (4 months old) afterwards. None on it yet. No way for me to know how long they've been on the 60737 other than I am sure they were not there originally, as I had a close look at that time.

Hey guys - so I jumped on the Dell Daily Deal and my 73" C edition is finally here in my living room.

I just wanted to ask a few questions. I'm going through the thread very slowly but its a lot to digest at once...


(a) What are the initial things I should look for (besides obvious physical damage) while I'm still within the 24 hour delivery window...?

I already turned it on and played some blu-ray movies and it honestly looks stunning...but there might be some more technical things I should be looking out for?

(b) I bought it from Dell without any added warranty from them....should I look into an aftermarket warranty, where at, and for how long?

I'd love as many personal recommendations as possible - I've skimmed through here and seen some service issues /stories so it seems like an extended warranty might be a good option...especially because it might net me a new TV in a few years if this one dies and they don't make them anymore....



So yeah, otherwise thank you all SO much for all the knowledge you provide here. I'm gonna go back to reading now...but I'd appreciate all answers to the above questions!!!

(oh and ps my only two gripes .. no optical out and no vga or composite inputs....i need to get a new computer now and i can't hook up my dreamcast!!) (edit: soooo i just read the manual - guess that first component input also accepts composite! sweet! Sonic Adventure in 73 inches of awesomeness!)


Otherwise its AWESOME!!!

[quote=CarpeD1em500;18669205]Hey guys - so I jumped on the Dell Daily Deal and my 73" C edition is finally here in my living room.

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Welcome aboard Carpe - you are gonna luv it!

Check the post immediately above yours (georule) in his sig line he posts a link to the "FAQ" he graciously put togther. I printed out a copy and use it as my bible. Read through it twice; then post back with any other un-answered questions. Keep it for reference as you get used to the set.

I have a 65" and am more than satisfied - one of the best purchases I ever made. I lurked on this thread for a while, soaking up knowledge and then pulled the trigger.

I am picking up the Mack warranty for mine... we can chat more about that later.

If you really want to appreciate it get a copy of AVATAR (Blu-Ray) and be prepared to be overwhelmed! :>)

Mike

It's on "game" mode--doesn't that turn off all post-processing automatically?

Thanks! (also Mike haha) - I'll go through that FAQ in more detail this weekend. Any reason for the Mack over the other options? How many years are you extending yours?

Also - I would get Avatar but I'm trying to hold out for the 3D version...which it sounds like my new tv will support (Yes!) with my PS3 (I think...).

I just played some Gears of War 2.....WOW haha....I need to go invest in a 5.1 set up with a new receiver now....

Thanks for the help!

I think the principle reason the Mack is more popular than some of the other 3rd party choices is they've been doing warranties for 70 years. Some people just feel more comfortable with that kind of record behind them. There is never an absolute guarantee that your warranty company will still be in business 3 years down the road when you need them, but with that kind of track record some people get a little extra comfort that Mack will still be in business should they need them. The FAQ, in the General section, has links to Mack and other 3rd party warranties for your perusal.

I'm looking to possibly get one of these 2009 DLPs for a media room in a new house I'm moving into. I was wondering if anyone here has a PC hooked up to one and what the performance is like. I read a review that said it doesn't have a pixel to pixel mode so overscan can be present when using a PC, which cuts off important parts of an OS interface.

I have a gaming PC that I would like to use with this TV and while I'm at it, watch Hulu and other web streaming content as well.

Sorry if this is a dumb question!

It has 1-1 pixel mapping *and* overscan, so take your pic. You can shrink the desktop, but then you lose the 1-1 pixel mapping.

Can you elaborate? Basically I would like to hook my PC up to ideally do 1080p in PC games, but also do some Hulu, et. al. streaming on the side. Nothing too heavy with productivity though, just entertainment. Sorry, I'm a noob with this stuff.

By definition, 1-1 pixel mapping means one pixel of input for one pixel of output. You can do that with the Mits. But the Mits has 2.5% overscan on each side. So, if you shrink the desktop enough to not have any overscan cutoff of the desktop, you've given up 1-1 pixel mapping, because you no longer are displaying one input pixel on one output pixel. So take your pick. 1-1 pixel mapping *or* no overscan issues. But not both simultaneously, at least with PC gaming. Console gaming seems a little more tolerant of TV overscan issues because it is designed to be displayed on TVs.

At least that is my understanding of how it works. But then I've never gamed on it --just read the thread.

Thanks!!!



To everyone else...just saw this on Joystiq: http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/21/ki...o-and-its-3-d/

Regardless of if you're a PS3, Killzone, video game, or even shooter fan, this might be another awesome piece of software to show off the TVs!

Sounds like we'll hear more at E3....73" of 3D gaming sounds awesome to me!!

Okay, I’ve been lurking for about a month now and thought I’d finally post. I’ve read through the faq several times and continue to read posts here. I’ve been flirting with the idea of getting the 60 inch WD60C9. I’m moving up from a standard 32 inch tube and 32 inch LCD. Why the 60? Mainly because I have some fireplace/doorway issues that wont allow me to go bigger. I plan on using the tv for the standard stuff. Hdtv, blu-ray/up converted dvd, via ps3 and a tiny bit of gaming. With the slight price drop to $899 from dell. A 12 month no interest payment plan and a warranty that covers the bulb I’m really close to pulling the trigger within the next we or so.

However, I have a concern about juddering. How bad is it when watching blu-rays, dvds and gaming? I consider myself an average viewer but an issue like that may just make or break my decision to buy. Or is this something fairly minor nowadays?

Is your 32" LCD 120hz? If not, it shouldn't be any worse than it is on that TV. We've never had a TV with 5:5 pulldown to compare against. It doesn't bother me. It's going to depend somewhat on the content as well. My wife is more sensitive to. . . well, everything (wimmin!). . . she got a little queasy from a shaky cam chase scene at the beginning of Fast and Furious (the most recent one), but otherwise hasn't mentioned it.

It's too bad you're limited at 60", but don't feel too bad --that's still a heckuva upgrade from 32"; more than 3x as much screen real estate there!

The LCD I use is 60/50Hz and I've never noticed a thing. So I shouldn't be able to notice a difference with the DLP then?

"georule" answered the extended warranty question pretty well! I am going to go with the 5-year, no bulb coverage, for I think around $170 bucks. It is based on what you paid for your set. I don't mind the occasional bulb replacement at $99 a throw; that is the cost of enjoying a DLP set. I have a 4-yr old Sony RP set that is still running on the original bulb. (Sony being replaced due to bad optical block...)

As to "Avatar" just rent it for now and sit back and enjoy. I really didn't appreciate what I had in my new Mits TV until I watched that movie in Blu-Ray format a week or two ago.

And yes, start saving yur pocket change for an AVR receiver and surround sound system. You really need that to complement your new Mits set. I have a relateively modest Yamaha receiver and five Infinity speakers, with a sub. Once you get the sound system in place you will rock!

Enjoy and stick around here - lots of good folks with good advice...

hey try these settings for xbox 360 perfect color and tint.
use bright mode.brilliant causes too much problems with blue.

magenta-36
red-28
yellow-37
green-33
cyan-15
blue-10

perfect tint:
magenta 36
red-25
yellow-38
green-10
cyan-39
blue-31
color temp-high
sharp edge-on
contrast -60
brightness-28
sharpness-35
deep field imager-off this has to be off because the xbox clipping of whites is awful.i just want to let you know these settings are after a full calibration by an isf certified calibrator.it may not look good on your set but it will give you something to work with.it looks sick on my tv.good luck

What model# is your tv?

Deep field imager should always be off if image accuracy is your goal.

here is a link to a valve developer document that explains the xbox bad gamma among other things.

http://www.valvesoftware.com/publica...eOrangeBox.pdf

Hey all,

first post to the forum and I'm in the market for a 60 or 65 inch. I've been reading and would like to know more about the screen bowing issue. Is this something that happens over time or is it something that can be present right out of the box?

Since the 65 seems to be more prone to this I was just curious.

Thank you

Hey, guys, I'm looking into purchasing a C9 for gaming in order to avoid burn-in on my new plasma, and I have a question:

On my LCD, dark areas in games (on both PS3 and 360) take on a blue hue and a lot of detail is lost. This doesn't happen on my plasma. Is it an issue on the C9?

I got a question, I know how to check my lamp hours but when I finally do get a new lamp how do I reset it?

First of all, the TV doesn't have a lamp hour counter. It's a TV hour counter. I don't know of any way to reset it. I plan to just keep track of the hour counter when I replace the bulb and do the (simple) math.

What's the second part?

I haven't noticed it at all on the C9.