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post #151 of 239
Touche. I won't say another word on the issue.
post #152 of 239
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Originally Posted by joeblow View Post

I'm just posting facts whether you want to hear it or not. I see your NYC Playland and raise you Southern Hills Golfland, the mecca of fighting gamers in the U.S. before it was torn down. More local, regional, and national and world tourney winners came from that arcade for more games during its reign than any other location.

So it's not just me saying my TV has no lag, its also quite a few of these guys who have been to my house, including out-of-state and out-of-country tourney players who have stayed with me when competing at local events. From different parts of the U.S., from the U.K., Italy, Greece, Korea... many of them champions. All of them are wrong about the absence of lag on my TV and YOU'RE right? Get over yourself.

In any case, there's nothing more to say. You seem to be fine with default sensitivity, some of us are fine with improved sensitivity. What's great about the game is that it allows us to make adjustments to our liking, so let's move on.

Whether your TV has lag or not was never in question....itwas you saying I'm "thinknig" I don't see lag on my TV. As if you are there to tell me what I see and don't see and your observation was the end all be all of the issue.

Right, lets move on.
post #153 of 239
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Originally Posted by hdtv00 View Post

There is always more to say.

My LAG is bigger than your LAG.
My LAG could beat up your LAG.

Great so you have no lag, fine. We don't need a report on it. P.S. Timeshock!


Not another post from me about it then.
post #154 of 239
It's no big deal we all still love each other.

Hey is this another damn PSN game that won't save any score at all unless you're logged into PSN. How god damn stupid is it that single player games won't save your score at all unless you're logged into the net. That is stupid and almost enough to not buy it alone as it makes the whole thing pointless unless you have it hooked to the net. Sometimes I don't want to bother with all that, not to mention all the DNS error issues lately.

I HATE that Super Stardust HD won't do it unless you log in, soooooo annoying.
post #155 of 239
^i'm always logged into PSN and have not had these DNS errors you speak of, yet my scores don't save.
post #156 of 239
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Originally Posted by hdtv00 View Post

Hey is this another damn PSN game that won't save any score at all unless you're logged into PSN. How god damn stupid is it that single player games won't save your score at all unless you're logged into the net.

Nothing to do with the issue. It's simply not saving our scores. Period. Doesn't matter if you're logged in or not.
post #157 of 239
Yeah I know that, I wasn't trying to say it was, I was only referring to another thread in here and another PSN issue that's annoying as hell.

Which again so does it save your score if you're not logged in, does it keep your high score when you quit and come back if you haven't logged in? It is supposed to save your scores offline is what I wanna know. I think super stardust is ruined that it won't save a score offline.
post #158 of 239
Never had an issue with SSHD scores.

But the score issues with Zen are driving me nuts. I think I now know what you mean, hdtv00. No one's scores seem to be saving after they log out. As best as I can tell, your scores only save as long as you're currently online. Once you turn off your PS3 (or log out of PSN), your scores disappear. This also seems to be happening to the folks on my friends list. Their scores were saved yesterday when they were online, but today everyone's scores are gone. You can quit the game and come back, and your scores are fine. But if you log out of PSN (or turn off your PS3), your scores disappear.

Defeats a major part of pinball if scores aren't tracking properly.
post #159 of 239
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Originally Posted by confidenceman View Post

Never had an issue with SSHD scores.

But the score issues with Zen are driving me nuts. I think I now know what you mean, hdtv00. No one's scores seem to be saving after they log out. As best as I can tell, your scores only save as long as you're currently online. Once you turn off your PS3 (or log out of PSN), your scores disappear. This also seems to be happening to the folks on my friends list. Their scores were saved yesterday when they were online, but today everyone's scores are gone. You can quit the game and come back, and your scores are fine. But if you log out of PSN (or turn off your PS3), your scores disappear.

Defeats a major part of pinball if scores aren't tracking properly.

Add me to the list of "score confusion" folks. The first game I play each day is my "new high score!" despite what the actual score is. My audit information does stay, though, so it is keeping track of games played, and all the stats etc.

I would like an easy way to see what the highscores are for each table locally, apart from the online component. Like any pinball machine in an arcade, give me a way to enter my initials and then display the top 10 high scores for that table locally. So when friends come over, they can try to beat my high score and have it stick for the next time they come over...
post #160 of 239
I just asked about the scoring in the PS Blog thread started by the Managing Director of Zen studios. Apparently, there are some people having lockups during 4 player online games, too.


Damn--I should have asked if they could license the tables from Timeshock!
post #161 of 239
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Originally Posted by bassmonkeee View Post

I just asked about the scoring in the PS Blog thread started by the Managing Director of Zen studios. Apparently, there are some people having lockups during 4 player online games, too.

Thanks for the find. I went ahead and posted another comment to that thread since the managing director seems to be reading the thread.

I think the issue might have something to do with the game only tracking the top 1000 scores in each category (which is more of a poor design decision rather than a "bug"). But one of the consequences is that the game doesn't save any of your own scores locally that don't make the top-1000 leaderboard cut. So it effectively "forgets" your score if you don't make that top 1000.

Also, anyone know what good saving your game does? It gives you some message about not being able to track your scores if you use a loaded game. Haven't messed with it, so I'm not sure what it does or why it won't track your scores (maybe to prevent sharing saves). Is it just a way to stop mid-game and continue later? If so, then you'd only want to save the game if you're doing really well and have a pressing emergency that forces you to leave your game. But if you're doing that well, you would definitely want your score to track, so I can't imagine a situation where that would be useful. Anyone?
post #162 of 239
I love pinball and tried the demo. Experienced the flipper lag but did not get involved enough to try and figure out settings and adjusting them. With all the talk about this game vs. Timeshock and other games, I just wanted to throw one other game out there. While I love my PS3 to death, the best video pinball game I have played to date is the Pinball Hall of Fame- The Williams Collection game for my Nintendo Wii. I am a bit biased because I loved the "Funhouse" table when I was in college but this game very accuratley replicates a lot of the best tables ever designed by Williams.

I believe it is being released for the PS3 on or around August 31 for about $30 and it comes with 3 adiditonal tables (13 tables in total). While I have it for the Wii, I will probably pick it up for the PS3 as well just for the additional 3 tables.
post #163 of 239
Well I'm 10th overall on eldorado table and 4th for week. So I guess I'll find out about scores real quick. I just bought it this morning. The reports I gave earlier were from complaints I'd seen on forums. It's worth $10.60 for sure.

I also bought Flower(which is amazing) and Pirate game forget what its called. I came very close to getting the bowling one but wasn't sure how good it was.
post #164 of 239
I hope they include Cyclone. One of my all-time favorites.
post #165 of 239
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Originally Posted by hdtv00 View Post

Well I'm 10th overall on eldorado table and 4th for week. So I guess I'll find out about scores real quick. I just bought it this morning. The reports I gave earlier were from complaints I'd seen on forums. It's worth $10.60 for sure.

I also bought Flower(which is amazing) and Pirate game forget what its called. I came very close to getting the bowling one but wasn't sure how good it was.

high velocity bowling is good
post #166 of 239
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Originally Posted by jasnmb View Post

high velocity bowling is good

+1

Blows Wii Bowling away, IMO.
post #167 of 239
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Originally Posted by jasnmb View Post

high velocity bowling is good

Yeah, just got this over the weekend with my Qore subscription. I'm totally surprised and didn't expect it to be nearly as good as it is.
post #168 of 239
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Originally Posted by confidenceman View Post

Yeah, just got this over the weekend with my Qore subscription. I'm totally surprised and didn't expect it to be nearly as good as it is.

Make sure to hop on the store; there are a bunch of free add-ons.
post #169 of 239
4th overall on el dorado missed 3rd by only 200k, so pissed haha.
post #170 of 239
I had emailed Zen about the camera angles and also if they were considering the analog stick for the plunger or the six-axis for nudge. Got a a response back that they are currently working on a small patch but he didn't indicate what for. Probably just scores and online huh?
post #171 of 239
I thought the six-axis would be the nudge as well.
post #172 of 239
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Originally Posted by TornadoTJ View Post

I thought the six-axis would be the nudge as well.

With all their other precision-oriented pinball sim details, using motion detection would be too imprecise. Using the stick works well, and it's easy to choose which direction you're nudging with instant response.
post #173 of 239
Yep that's the first thing I thought too when I started to think about it. At first it sounds good, but then you realize it wouldn't be that great an idea. Well if you cared about not sucking anyway.
post #174 of 239
For what it's worth, it looks like the scoring is working now for all tables (at least for me). I played Shaman, exited, went back in and it remembered my high score from the last time I played. Before, it would just tell me whatever score I got was my "new all time high score!". Looks like maybe it was a server issue...
post #175 of 239
Never played Timeshock but this is one of the better Pinball games that I have played.

Jason
post #176 of 239
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Originally Posted by confidenceman View Post

With all their other precision-oriented pinball sim details, using motion detection would be too imprecise. Using the stick works well, and it's easy to choose which direction you're nudging with instant response.

I changed my nudge controls from the analog stick to the d-pad.
post #177 of 239
Jesus online multiplayer is F'ing worthless and pissing me off. I can't play more than 2 minutes before the game disconnects. Yet I check and I'm still on PSN, even then sometimes with it now that PSN DC's all the time now too. Least its keeping my score but I'm down to 5th all time on El Dorado.
post #178 of 239
Timeshock for PSX just arrived today. Will try later tonight!

Got it on ebay for $4.99, free shipping.

*after a few games on Timeshock, I can say that it is definitely very good. Even the PSX version holds up very well today and looks very respectable. Obviously not as crisp as Zen and the sound isn't as high quality. However, the ball definitely feels more realistic and the flippers themselves feel more realistic as well. It's hard to explain but everything has a better weight to it and the flippers don't feel overpowered (like they do a bit in ZP). Once when the ball hit the upper right flipper, you could see the weight of the ball even cause a small movement on it. I don't think I've seen that on Zen. I don't even have a grasp of the table itself yet but it seem interesting for sure.

None of it really takes away from my enjoyment of ZP but if you can find it for $5 like me, why not?


hdtv00, should I also pick up ProPinball Big Race USA? I'm assuming it used the same engine as Timeshock.
post #179 of 239
HA least I got someone to try it. Yep on ps1 I'm sure the resolution sucks, on the pc at 1600x1200 its much better. I'd swear it's like looking at an actual table. And yep pinball is about the table and ball physics and nothing has ever come even close to timeshock. And give it time, the different levels, the use of the dot display to play that one ball through the tunnel thing is awesome.

Yep Zen is fun, but timeshock is perfection. And since it is so old and so rare I just thought I'd let pinball lovers know about it. As for Big Race, it has same ball physics. But the table isn't any where near as fun or good looking. It's like an older generation of machine but it is still very good. Just not my thing.
post #180 of 239
Had some friends over the other night, and they all had a blast with Zen Pinball. Played for many hours, and everyone enjoyed the gameplay and sound effects of this game.

"Tesla" puts out some serious rumble thru my sub when you get into the bumpers at the top of the machine. There is very slight lag with the default controls in my setup. Everyone played this game easily, without making any adjustments in the settings, once they got used to it.

With the "rumble" effect, I have to say that "Tesla" is my favorite table so far. This game is very fun and addicting, and anyone who has played it in my setup has enjoyed it. How could they not, it's Pinball..

Even the non-gamers loved it, because it was simple to play, and it brought back memories for them from their old days in the traditional arcades. It was money well spent. If you like pinball, don't hesitate to pick this one up.
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