nobody is arguing that the torus/barco combo is not likley spectacular. but the comitment and tradeoffs involved in using a torus are such that it is not a viable option for many. just like the fact that a 27" broadcast monitor is better in every way than any 60" plasma. but that does not mean i want to use one, even if i can afford it.
what keeps being said (and lets face it, there is only one true point of contention.) is that the lumis beats the barco in some areas, and the barco beats in others, so they are two machines that (in a prescribed set of conditions) can work equally well. nobody is saying they are equal. nobody is saying that one is DEFINITIVELY better (oh wait... you are peter) just that they compete. and for many, the lumis is a better option. and we are not tlaking about price in all cases.
the point of contention is that CM says he has a bunch of measurements and the lumis beats in various contrast areas. Odyessey says he has measurements that show barco besting the lumis. so in this area, a real discussion can happen. or more name calling and escalating so that one or both either gets banned, or gets pissed off and leaves.
Now i will say that thus far, CM and his creative use of language have escalated higher... but this is probably due to a level of frustration brought upon by peters incessant trumpet call. but hey... we are all gentlemen here... cant we all just get along?