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DVDO edge or internal Pioneer PRO-FD151 processing/scaling

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I'm debating picking up a DVDO Edge processor/scalar but before doing so I'd like to get some feedback on how improved the scaling and processing engine in the Edge is over the one built in to the Pioneer Elite ORI-FD151 as it also has noise reduction built in.

For reference, I mostly watch Comcast HD over a TiVo HD (pass-through only, no processing). I sometimes watch compressed h264 5mbps or greater digital content as well.

Thanks in advance.
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It will help, but for that source it isn't a miracle worker. Hard to put a number on it but you'd probably see a 15% improvement.
post #3 of 10
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so if it doesn't provide a big impact for cable HD and compressed digital then what where does it help the most, broadcast SD? I rarely watch SD content now, especially since Comcast's recent HD push, so if that's the case then i'm less enthused.

Thanks for your comments and help.
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Jason may have been referring to the "compressed h264 5mbps or greater digital content".

I just got my Edge and am just starting to set it up. I've never had a stand alone video processor before. On the positive side, I can tell you it seems to make SD DVDs look rather good.

My first impression is that the impact of the Edge is subtle. At times it may be so subtle that you're not even aware it is doing anything. I'm assuming it is the sort of thing that will not be missed until it is gone. The closest thing to this experience I've had before is the reaction I had when I went from Component cables to HDMI cables.

I'm getting ready to do a lot of direct PQ comparisons with the Edge in the loop and with it out of the loop. If you wait a week or two, I can let you know if it does anything remarkable with Comcast.
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VP's generally are a subtle improvement (though it is there). I guess the problem is knowing at what level of improvement vs. price one is comfortable with. Also, remember garbage in garbage out...they only can do so much to bad incoming signal. SD often is helped the most as it needs the most help.

What I would probably do is see if there is a local dealer with a VP you can demo (specific isn't important for this test). Compare with and without to get a feel for what to expect.

Fortunately, with the Edge being really reasonable in price, the performance to price ratio is high.
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thanks guys. I just started testing a buddy's DVDO VP20 scalar (i dont believe it does any cleanup/processing) in my set up so I will at least get an idea of the scaling and de-interlacing benefits I think... BTW, the Pioneer has some built-in NR processing so I'm curious as to the ability for the EDGE to do it better...?
post #7 of 10
The Edge is substantially better, so this could be a good test. If you like what the VP20 does you will love the Edge.
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FWIW, we have a Pio 150 in the LR with a VP50 on it. We also have a PIO 110 in the BR without anything. The VP50 was originally on a Panasonic 50 Plasma which made a huge difference. We were concerned that since we were so used to the 150/LR with the VP50 we wondered if we would be happy with the 110 without a VP. We were dead wrong. The Pios were so good that had I bought them first I most likely could not justify the VP50. My two cents... go for the Pio, with or without an outboard VP the PIOs are amazing with the built-in processing. You can always demo a VP later. BTW, we watch H264 from our AppleTV on both PIOs and they look great either way. If you really look hard some stuff (especially SD) looks better with the VP50. Also, I like all the picture aspect control of the VP. BTW, this is only an opinion but I think since the VP50 with the better SD scaling than the Edge shows little improvement I wonder if the Edge would show any? Since I don't have an Edge I really cant compare. Again, had I had the Pios first most likely would not have a VP50. Hope this helps a little.
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Originally Posted by mgavsf View Post

I think since the VP50 with the better SD scaling than the Edge shows little improvement I wonder if the Edge would show any? Since I don't have an Edge I really cant compare. Again, had I had the Pios first most likely would not have a VP50. Hope this helps a little.

The Edge's scaling and deinterlacing are equivalent to the VP50Pro.

Again the best approach is to try one.

I have the 151FD and Edge and I prefer the Edge for SD satellite and for SD-DVD
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Originally Posted by ragiepew View Post

I'm debating picking up a DVDO Edge processor/scalar but before doing so I'd like to get some feedback on how improved the scaling and processing engine in the Edge is over the one built in to the Pioneer Elite ORI-FD151 as it also has noise reduction built in.

For reference, I mostly watch Comcast HD over a TiVo HD (pass-through only, no processing). I sometimes watch compressed h264 5mbps or greater digital content as well.

Thanks in advance.

I'm not familiar with the Edge, but make sure when you're looking at processors that you remember the 151 cannot accept RGB 1920x1080 at 60hz. I found that amazing when I bought my Pro 111FD and looked at its specs. As far as I'm concerned, that was a major step backwards for Pioneer plasmas. I used to have the old 503CMX which worked really well at its native rate with a Faroudja at 60hz via RGB. If the Edge can pass 1920x1080 video via HDMI, then it will probably let the 151 run at its native rate.
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