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post #4891 of 5055
7/23/10 at 3:57am
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Originally Posted by jaymalya View Post

Anybody using Oppo BDP-83 player with this TV? Film mode remains off & greyed out when I use Oppo, but film mode is active when I switch to my DirectTV DVR. Oppo is connected via AVR, but DVR is directly connected to TV.

is 24p playback turned on in the oppo?
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post #4892 of 5055
7/25/10 at 4:59am
Hi all,I was hoping someone could help with posting standard settings as i like viewing some content in this mode such as sports.I think i pretty much nailed movie mode from past posts.I have the 58B650.Thank you in advance,John
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post #4893 of 5055
7/27/10 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by kevrol View Post

Anyone successfully using the Pandora widget wirelessly on this tv? I tried to use it but it's just way too slow. Gaps of greater than a minute between songs. Just curious.

Without jumping into conclusions, there must be an issue with your wireless connection. I have used Pandora a lot since the release of the new firmware and haven't had any problems with it. However, I do have the TV hooked up via cat5.
Can anyone else help kevrol?

I hate to beat on a dead horse, but has it been confirmed that Netflix will not come to our TVs via widget?
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post #4894 of 5055
7/27/10 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by XFistsClenchedX View Post

Well, it happened again today and I got a video of it this time. The camera I used to record the video has a broken lens, which is why part of the video is obscured and why it is fuzzy. The humming sound in the video is my XBOX 360, not the tv. What I didn't show in the video is that when the tv does this, the remote won't turn it off. It has to be turned off manually.

It could be interference I suppose, but it had this problem for about an hour today and then it went away with no explanation and then came back for a couple seconds a few minutes later. I don't know what could interfere with it, unless it is something the neighbor is doing.

Here's the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP9eHWMT3Po

I think your remote is on the fritz. Take the batteries out so it can't possibly interfere with the tv, then try using just the controls on the lower right of the television for a day and see how it goes.
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post #4895 of 5055
7/28/10 at 6:10am
I agree. Most likely a defective TV remote. Also sometimes when there are multiple remotes around, like in a basket or caddy, some buttons can get lightly pressed by other remotes which can cause bizarre behavior or unresponsiveness to commands.
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post #4896 of 5055
8/1/10 at 7:05pm
Discovered a bug today that's probably plagued me in the past but this is the first I realized of its existence. I've been playing xBox this afternoon/evening with game mode enabled like I always do, but was bothered by what seemed like blacks that were half as dark as they normally are and a whole lot of dithering. I tried running the screen wipe but that did not help. Then, I turned off game mode and blacks were instantly twice as good and the dithering gone, and toggling game mode on and off from that point on had no change to black level or dithering. So it seemed the black level was stuck in an elevated state, and turning game mode off and back on fixed it.

The only reason I can think that I wouldn't have noticed this before is because I normally turn off game mode when I turn off the xBox, which shares an HDMI port with my blu-ray player and I don't want to forget I have it on the next time I watch a movie. I guess having game mode already activated when turning on the tv must have had something to do with it.

So if you've got game mode enabled and you're seeing horrible blacks or a lot of dithering, turn game mode off and you should see an instant improvement, at which point you can re-enable game mode if you wish.
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post #4897 of 5055
8/2/10 at 11:50am
Well some bad news in respect of my ps50b650.
I've had it for approx 5 months and recently I notice some pretty horrid pixelation in a certain area of the screen, similar to my last problem but worse. Engineer came out a knew immediately the problem was fatal
anyways he said he'll try to order a brand new screen, effectively I'd have a brand new set. Sadly due to the model being discontinued no more spares were available. Samsung called tonsay they'd replace this tv with the newer ps50c6500, not sure if that's a good thing or not . I hear that the new model cannot be service menu hacked and that there is no longer a cs option although apparently this is automatic. Doesn't seem to many people in Europe have this model so I'm a little weary to say the least. I've also read that the us version seems to suffer the dreaded buzz, this apparently is common. So overall not sure if this is good or not?
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post #4898 of 5055
8/3/10 at 6:10pm
Searched through this thread, but couldn't find the answer anywhere - am I really the first person to encounter this?
I've got mine 650 connected to a HTPC via HDMI and it works great - as long as I have 1080p x 60hz running from the PC. There is no overscan (dot by dot), however when I switch to 24hz (same input of course) suddenly there is overscan. It's not the PC as it's still running 1920x1080 - but something gets switched inside the Sammy as if it's expecting a BD player (instead of HTPC) and I can't find how to defeat this. Any and all ideas are much welcome
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post #4899 of 5055
8/3/10 at 10:17pm
I am assuming that you use an ATI Radeon HD card ?? and you have CCC version 10.X and higher ?? Then go to

CCC - Graphics - Desktop & Displays - Right Click Small HDTV/Monitor at the bottom - Configure - Scaling - underscan/overscan-set to 0%.

When you change settings on your HTPC the overscan underscan issue is generated by ATI CCC. It has nothing to do with your Samsung Plasma TV. Your TV is perferctly fine

If you have an NVIDIA card you should adjust overscan/underscan from NVIDIA control penel
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post #4900 of 5055
8/4/10 at 6:24am
Thanks for the reply and it was one of the first things I'd checked-
Actually it's an integrated Intel G45 board and the overscanning is still set to 0 -

My assumption on what's happening (and I'd be happy to be proved incorrect )
Since tvs normally have a bit of overscan built in to accommodate CE devices, we normally have to go out of our way to disable it - I believe it's called "just scan" on this model. As a 60hz signal, the tv believes what we're telling it and everything is fine. However, once we feed it a 24hz signal, it figures we're clueless since we're not sending it a "computer" refresh rate and "corrects" things for us. (i.e. assumes we've connected a CE device and turns the overscan back on)

I can make the image fit by setting the 2 sliders to 65 (horizontal + vertical), but I get the sneaking suspicion I'm doing the old "double adjust" thing. (Instead of sending a 1920x1080 signal and having it displayed as such, the tv is scaling the image and then I have to turn around and re-scale the signal so that it fits-so that I'm actually running something like 1900x1062 - like we used to have to do with a CRT RPTV)

Again - VERY happy if I'm wrong here and it's a simple matter of running 1920x1080 @ 24hz and then setting the scaling sliders to 65 - it just looks a bit blurry and doesn't feel right.
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post #4901 of 5055
8/5/10 at 1:47pm
okay. I tried to search and perhaps just overlooked it...but am having no luck. I know there is the issue with the black level on Cinema Smooth, but this one is new to me. I noticed I could replicate it every time with certain scenes...but I am getting massive flicker on some screens with blu-ray movies from my ps3..have swapped hdmi cables...what I did notice is I can either fix it when I switch from movie mode to standard mode and keep cinema smooth on...or I can keep it in movie mode and turn off cinema smooth..but both just doesn't work....most of the scenes are when ther are close ups of faces for some reason...any ideas?
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post #4902 of 5055
8/5/10 at 2:14pm
Some background please.

First, was Movie mode ever calibrated?

Second, is the flicker in the entire picture (like rapid brightness level rising and falling) or is something like certain color fields in the picture doing the flickering/flashing?

Third, what are your settings, especially in Movie Mode?

Of course it could be something between the PS3 and the set or something else. Does the PS3 have a direct connection or does it go through a receiver?
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post #4903 of 5055
8/5/10 at 2:50pm
clarkebar will probably have a better reply, but sounds like cinema smooth to me.
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post #4904 of 5055
8/5/10 at 3:22pm
well my settings are the same as everyone recommends here, nothing special I did use DVE to calibrate basic things
cell light 9
contrast 94
brightness 49
sharpness 4
color 49
tint g51/r49
black tone off
dynamic contrast off
gamma 0
color space auto
white balance 25 across
flesh tone 0
edge enhancement off
xvYCC off
color tone warm 2
size screen fit
digital NR off
HDMI black level: normal
film mode (off now) but usually was cinema smooth

ps3 settings are accurate also...no sense in posting all those 24p was on...1080p...rgb full..

the odd part to me was the fact that with cinema smooth on in standard mode I experienced no flickering...it was only when it was paired with movie mode that the issue was still there...of course all the setting remain the same across the modes minus some are not selectable until movie mode is used...the flickering was the entire picture to be more preciss..it was as if you were rapidly changing the level of brightness ever .5 seconds...just a few parts of most movies I watch, not throughout....mostly during dark sections or close ups on the face

also I have tried this direct, and through my onkyo tx-nr808..with 3 sets of cables of varying lengths...happens every time
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post #4905 of 5055
8/5/10 at 4:04pm
Hm... a search of this thread doesn't locate any mention of the 1018 firmware... I just got it via an update, so I'll search around for some release notes & post my findings back in this thread.

edit: well, turns out it isn't easy to find release notes. Will let you know if I notice anything.
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post #4906 of 5055
8/5/10 at 9:04pm
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Originally Posted by tr808 View Post

Hm... a search of this thread doesn't locate any mention of the 1018 firmware... I just got it via an update, so I'll search around for some release notes & post my findings back in this thread.

Hi all, I updated to 1018 tonight as well. Could be my imagination but I could swear my picture looks a little different now. Brighter whites and darker darks, possibly more color to the image, and the Pixel Shift setting is grayed out for both my Cable STB and 360 (hdmi1 and hdmi2) which has me scratching my head.

I hadn't gone into the settings menu for many months now, using the 1017 firmware I was real happy with the picture. As usual, it doesn't look like the fw upgrade changed any of my previous settings.

Has anyone else noticed anything different with 1018?
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post #4907 of 5055
8/6/10 at 8:45am
Ok, the dark vertical band on the right is driving me nuts. Anyone gotten this fixed?
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post #4908 of 5055
8/6/10 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by rockytt View Post

Thanks for the reply and it was one of the first things I'd checked-
Actually it's an integrated Intel G45 board and the overscanning is still set to 0 -

My assumption on what's happening (and I'd be happy to be proved incorrect )
Since tvs normally have a bit of overscan built in to accommodate CE devices, we normally have to go out of our way to disable it - I believe it's called "just scan" on this model. As a 60hz signal, the tv believes what we're telling it and everything is fine. However, once we feed it a 24hz signal, it figures we're clueless since we're not sending it a "computer" refresh rate and "corrects" things for us. (i.e. assumes we've connected a CE device and turns the overscan back on)

I can make the image fit by setting the 2 sliders to 65 (horizontal + vertical), but I get the sneaking suspicion I'm doing the old "double adjust" thing. (Instead of sending a 1920x1080 signal and having it displayed as such, the tv is scaling the image and then I have to turn around and re-scale the signal so that it fits-so that I'm actually running something like 1900x1062 - like we used to have to do with a CRT RPTV)

Again - VERY happy if I'm wrong here and it's a simple matter of running 1920x1080 @ 24hz and then setting the scaling sliders to 65 - it just looks a bit blurry and doesn't feel right.

You're most likely going to need to find a program that can forced 1080p60, 1080p24 etc, like a Bluray player, or console would instead of the 1920x1080x60 that a computer does. Both nVidia and Ati support this through their control panel. I'm not sure about integrated Intel solutions.

On my 720p plasma I get overscan and weird scaling when I select 1280x720 or 1920x1080, but if I force it with the "HDTV Support" options it works just fine.
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post #4909 of 5055
8/6/10 at 9:37am
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You're most likely going to need to find a program that can forced 1080p60, 1080p24 etc

Not sure I follow-I can force either of those (it scales perfectly at 60hz, just not 24)
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post #4910 of 5055
8/6/10 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by rockytt View Post

Not sure I follow-I can force either of those (it scales perfectly at 60hz, just not 24)

Like I said, I'm not sure about how Intel does it. But with Ati you would have your usual resolution that reads like 1920x1080, or 1650x1080. You also have the option of just forcing 1080p like you would see in a Bluray player menu or something. Obviously they are the same resolution, but I guess it's the way the TV receives the information? Basically when you force 1080p, the TV treats your PC just like it would a video device.

Again, I'm not sure how Intel handles that.
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post #4911 of 5055
8/6/10 at 9:51am
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Originally Posted by xt14 View Post

well my settings are the same as everyone recommends here, nothing special I did use DVE to calibrate basic things
cell light 9
contrast 94
brightness 49
sharpness 4
color 49
tint g51/r49
black tone off
dynamic contrast off
gamma 0
color space auto
white balance 25 across
flesh tone 0
edge enhancement off
xvYCC off
color tone warm 2
size screen fit
digital NR off
HDMI black level: normal
film mode (off now) but usually was cinema smooth

ps3 settings are accurate also...no sense in posting all those 24p was on...1080p...rgb full..

the odd part to me was the fact that with cinema smooth on in standard mode I experienced no flickering...it was only when it was paired with movie mode that the issue was still there...of course all the setting remain the same across the modes minus some are not selectable until movie mode is used...the flickering was the entire picture to be more preciss..it was as if you were rapidly changing the level of brightness ever .5 seconds...just a few parts of most movies I watch, not throughout....mostly during dark sections or close ups on the face

also I have tried this direct, and through my onkyo tx-nr808..with 3 sets of cables of varying lengths...happens every time

Thanks for the info. I'd like to agree with ceaverill on this one but I am strongly suspecting some form of floating blacks issue. But the strobe-like rapidity of changing brightness sure looks like something else. That one is new to me.

The color profile of Standard is quite high in temp. which makes me suspicious.

Have you tried raising/lowering Contrast and Brightness in Movie mode, especially Brightness? If not just do it a click at a time and then toggle Cinema Smooth on/off. It's tedious but you may find a sweet spot.

Also, try activating Dynamic Contrast in Movie mode when watching discs only. See if the extra output corrects the issue. I generally don't recommend it for TV viewing unless it's a film source but DC with BluRays/DVDs is off the charts good sometimes and these Sammys react well to it's usage.
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post #4912 of 5055
8/6/10 at 9:52am
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Basically when you force 1080p, the TV treats your PC just like it would a video device.

I think that's kind of the point - the tv scales the signal coming from a video device (which is what I'm seeing at 24hz) and I don't want it to - hence "forcing" a 1080p24 signal would give me exactly what I'm seeing now.

I want the tv to see the PC as a PC (no scaling/overscanning) instead of a CE (video) device
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post #4913 of 5055
8/6/10 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by claymanhb View Post

Ok, the dark vertical band on the right is driving me nuts. Anyone gotten this fixed?

I have it too but can only see it with full screen 0 IRE and never with normal content. The service manual shows it to likely be a buffer issue. Funny thing is the area can be metered and it is a good bit blacker than the rest of the panel. I am wondering if the buffer boards are incorrectly set at the factory. If the screen can show the darker black of the band then so should the rest of the panel.

To the FW updaters:

I also updated to 1018 a few days ago but I have noticed a slight elevation in blacks with the meter. I think I'm going to revert to 1017 to check.
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post #4914 of 5055
8/7/10 at 11:44am
I too used to have the dark vertical band on my Samsung 58b650. When anything other than black content played aroud it the picture was fine. I called Samsung and they replaced the panel. Now there's no band. Although I swear there's more buzz now.
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post #4915 of 5055
8/7/10 at 11:11pm
Hey guys,

I tried searching the thread to no avail but anyways:

When you play media such as .avi or .mkv, why is it that you can only skip forward at 2X and no backwards? Also why can't I change the aspect ratio when dealing with these files?

I'm guessing it's just an unsophisticated media player the Samsung employs for this.

Thanks,

Charles
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post #4916 of 5055
8/9/10 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by craig_plasma View Post

Hi all, I updated to 1018 tonight as well. Could be my imagination but I could swear my picture looks a little different now. Brighter whites and darker darks, possibly more color to the image, and the Pixel Shift setting is grayed out for both my Cable STB and 360 (hdmi1 and hdmi2) which has me scratching my head.

Has anyone else noticed anything different with 1018?

UPDATE
I can confirm, FW 1018 disabled the Pixel Shifting options/settings in the menu. Which is really strange.

I downgraded back to 1017 and everything is back to normal. I get much more visible detail in darker areas of the image now, which is the way I like it. Something is really going on with the 1018 FW.
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post #4917 of 5055
8/9/10 at 8:39am
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Originally Posted by craig_plasma View Post

UPDATE
I can confirm, FW 1018 disabled the Pixel Shifting options/settings in the menu. Which is really strange.

I downgraded back to 1017 and everything is back to normal. I get much more visible detail in darker areas of the image now, which is the way I like it. Something is really going on with the 1018 FW.

Anyone know where I can grab 1017 to update via USB?
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post #4918 of 5055
8/9/10 at 6:42pm
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Originally Posted by xt14 View Post

well my settings are the same as everyone recommends here, nothing special I did use DVE to calibrate basic things
cell light 9
contrast 94
brightness 49
sharpness 4
color 49
tint g51/r49
black tone off
dynamic contrast off
gamma 0
color space auto
white balance 25 across
flesh tone 0
edge enhancement off
xvYCC off
color tone warm 2
size screen fit
digital NR off
HDMI black level: normal
film mode (off now) but usually was cinema smooth

ps3 settings are accurate also...no sense in posting all those 24p was on...1080p...rgb full..

the odd part to me was the fact that with cinema smooth on in standard mode I experienced no flickering...it was only when it was paired with movie mode that the issue was still there...of course all the setting remain the same across the modes minus some are not selectable until movie mode is used...the flickering was the entire picture to be more preciss..it was as if you were rapidly changing the level of brightness ever .5 seconds...just a few parts of most movies I watch, not throughout....mostly during dark sections or close ups on the face

also I have tried this direct, and through my onkyo tx-nr808..with 3 sets of cables of varying lengths...happens every time



are these settings only for watching movies? how about watching dish/direct?
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post #4919 of 5055
8/9/10 at 10:36pm
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Originally Posted by craig_plasma View Post

UPDATE
I can confirm, FW 1018 disabled the Pixel Shifting options/settings in the menu. Which is really strange.

I downgraded back to 1017 and everything is back to normal. I get much more visible detail in darker areas of the image now, which is the way I like it. Something is really going on with the 1018 FW.

This is only when in certain picture modes like 1 to 1... My understanding was that Pixel Shifting never worked in that mode now it is grayed out to reflect it is not working ...

Dana
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post #4920 of 5055
8/10/10 at 5:37am
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Originally Posted by velvet396 View Post

Anyone know where I can grab 1017 to update via USB?

no, but you may want to check the update menu. On mine it appears that the set retained the previous version of the firmware & would let you revert to it if you'd like. I'm not looking at it ATM so it's possible I made this up, but I swear I remember seeing that option!

Also, with regard to the pixel shift thing: I concur with the poster who said that it's never worked in 1:1 mode, which is likely why it is now grayed out. 1:1 and pixel shift are mutually exclusive concepts.
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