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A Fistful Of Dollars comparison *PIX*

post #1 of 152
5/8/09 at 6:02am
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I have the opportunity to post this thread to better show to the uninformed what Sergio Leone westerns should look like without the over use of DNR tools. As you can see the difference is incontrovertible. This movie looks better, sharper and preserves the natural "film-like" look. That is all I will say about it here on this thread.

For now there is no date for US release. The best way to get it is to import or Ebay.
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DVD 1999

Blu-ray File size: 23.50 GB

Bitrate: 27.00 mbps

Code:
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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
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00000.MPLS                                                      AVC     1:39:54 25,237,530,624  47,599,551,822  33.68   27.00   LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)          DD AC3 1.0 192Kbps

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     A Fistful of Dollars 
Disc Size:      47,599,551,822 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.1

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS
Size:                   25,237,530,624 bytes
Length:                 1:39:54 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate:          33.68 Mbps
Description:            

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
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MPEG-4 AVC Video        27000 kbps          1080p / 24 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
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LPCM Audio                      Italian         4608 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 4608 kbps / 16-bit
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        1.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             Italian         192 kbps        1.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
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Presentation Graphics           English         17.725 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         18.118 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
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00000.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:39:54.333     25,237,530,624  33,682          

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Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
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1               0:00:00.000     0:02:53.708     21,741 kbps     44,562 kbps     00:02:31.583    39,649 kbps     00:02:18.166    38,860 kbps     00:02:30.749    113,209 bytes   685,214 bytes   00:02:28.750    
2               0:02:53.708     0:05:32.624     34,418 kbps     44,330 kbps     00:04:02.249    40,575 kbps     00:04:01.125    38,904 kbps     00:05:23.583    179,258 bytes   676,009 bytes   00:03:02.166    
3               0:08:26.333     0:08:11.750     29,933 kbps     45,340 kbps     00:15:15.083    40,116 kbps     00:16:17.166    39,174 kbps     00:16:16.416    155,900 bytes   690,175 bytes   00:15:15.833    
4               0:16:38.083     0:04:37.791     25,131 kbps     43,382 kbps     00:20:30.291    34,986 kbps     00:20:30.250    32,279 kbps     00:20:26.500    130,888 bytes   439,314 bytes   00:20:33.375    
5               0:21:15.875     0:06:32.125     32,757 kbps     48,192 kbps     00:24:41.208    41,133 kbps     00:24:37.500    40,399 kbps     00:24:40.499    170,608 bytes   658,405 bytes   00:24:49.750    
6               0:27:48.000     0:06:38.250     25,163 kbps     40,376 kbps     00:31:37.708    34,953 kbps     00:31:36.625    33,886 kbps     00:31:36.124    131,055 bytes   446,353 bytes   00:29:49.416    
7               0:34:26.250     0:02:32.833     14,926 kbps     19,354 kbps     00:34:55.250    17,386 kbps     00:34:27.708    17,360 kbps     00:34:26.875    77,741 bytes    271,985 bytes   00:36:02.833    
8               0:36:59.083     0:04:21.708     22,043 kbps     29,431 kbps     00:38:35.500    26,922 kbps     00:39:05.041    26,656 kbps     00:39:05.291    114,809 bytes   381,258 bytes   00:39:43.500    
9               0:41:20.791     0:06:29.291     17,611 kbps     32,330 kbps     00:42:00.375    27,821 kbps     00:47:25.083    27,522 kbps     00:47:11.750    91,725 bytes    369,430 bytes   00:42:03.958    
10              0:47:50.083     0:02:48.416     23,395 kbps     31,947 kbps     00:50:06.958    28,830 kbps     00:50:07.291    28,464 kbps     00:49:59.375    121,849 bytes   405,456 bytes   00:50:36.250    
11              0:50:38.500     0:06:45.625     33,667 kbps     44,210 kbps     00:54:02.541    40,224 kbps     00:53:59.916    38,841 kbps     00:50:55.416    175,349 bytes   677,026 bytes   00:51:35.416    
12              0:57:24.125     0:03:33.750     24,758 kbps     35,334 kbps     00:57:25.083    31,804 kbps     00:59:28.916    30,973 kbps     00:59:29.875    128,947 bytes   397,508 bytes   00:58:08.541    
13              1:00:57.875     0:06:28.708     21,112 kbps     38,060 kbps     01:02:41.875    33,499 kbps     01:02:37.916    30,861 kbps     01:02:37.083    109,961 bytes   393,494 bytes   01:02:04.833    
14              1:07:26.583     0:04:26.375     27,281 kbps     41,711 kbps     01:10:07.916    33,621 kbps     01:09:40.791    32,765 kbps     01:09:39.708    142,090 bytes   502,195 bytes   01:10:08.875    
15              1:11:52.958     0:13:02.875     24,637 kbps     44,833 kbps     01:21:41.208    38,175 kbps     01:21:57.541    34,846 kbps     01:21:57.083    128,317 bytes   411,006 bytes   01:19:55.916    
16              1:24:55.833     0:04:00.333     28,312 kbps     39,229 kbps     01:26:28.958    32,645 kbps     01:26:28.291    31,795 kbps     01:25:02.541    147,458 bytes   427,325 bytes   01:25:04.791    
17              1:28:56.166     0:05:41.541     34,942 kbps     44,855 kbps     01:30:16.000    41,424 kbps     01:30:18.166    39,710 kbps     01:30:15.250    181,990 bytes   674,892 bytes   01:30:18.291    
18              1:34:37.708     0:05:16.625     33,991 kbps     40,624 kbps     01:34:43.583    38,257 kbps     01:34:42.916    37,485 kbps     01:38:45.500    177,059 bytes   555,605 bytes   01:39:27.958    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
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00000.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     5994.208                27,001                  20,230,911,102  110,034,416     
00000.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x81            AC3             ita (Italian)           5994.208                192                     143,864,064     936,615         
00000.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x80            LPCM            ita (Italian)           5994.208                4,614                   3,457,532,428   19,181,872      
00000.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           5994.208                192                     143,864,064     936,615         
00000.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             ita (Italian)           5994.208                18                      13,575,685      78,607          
00000.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           5994.208                18                      13,280,851      76,515
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5/8/09 at 6:03am
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5/8/09 at 6:04am
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5/8/09 at 6:06am
You really had my hopes up when I saw the thread title.
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post #10 of 152
5/8/09 at 6:56am
WOW, the BD really does look incredible!

What studio did release this? I gather it's an itallian release exclusive.

What a shame TGTBATU that's realeased by a major studio like FOX can get nowhere near this great treatment.

Thanks again for your amazing work Xylon.

ps: I guess this is the first time I get the be the first poster commenting on the picks
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post #11 of 152
5/8/09 at 7:01am
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Originally Posted by AlexBC View Post

WOW, the BD really does look incredible!

What studio did release this? I gather it's an itallian release exclusive.

What a shame TGTBATU that's realeased by a major studio like FOX can get nowhere near this great treatment.

Thanks again for your amazing work Xylon.

ps: I guess this is the first time I get the be the first poster commenting on the picks

I almost beat you to it.

Yah real shame about the other movie. The pics in the other thread show obvious smearing which is a telltale sign of DNR and of course you can see the smoothness on the other one which just looks wrong and less detailed. Of course some will defend it and say it's the camera or something else just as silly. These pictures look film like and i would buy this in a heartbeat whilst i will not touch the other one which is annoying as The Good, The Bad and The Ugly is the best western ever made. ( spagetti )
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post #12 of 152
5/8/09 at 7:04am
Where are some good places to pick up this disc?
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post #13 of 152
5/8/09 at 7:07am
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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder View Post

...as The Good, The Bad and The Ugly is the best western ever made. ( spagetti )

That honor belongs to Once Upon a Time in the West.

I would also like to know where this disc can be bought.
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post #14 of 152
5/8/09 at 7:08am
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I would also like to know where this disc can be bought.

+1 WOW...the comparisons are incredible!!!
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post #15 of 152
5/8/09 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder View Post

I almost beat you to it.

Yah real shame about the other movie. The pics in the other thread show obvious smearing which is a telltale sign of DNR and of course you can see the smoothness on the other one which just looks wrong and less detailed. Of course some will defend it and say it's the camera or something else just as silly. These pictures look film like and i would buy this in a heartbeat whilst i will not touch the other one which is annoying as The Good, The Bad and The Ugly is the best western ever made. ( spagetti )



BTW Foxy, not to hijack this thread, if you could take a look at the thread bellow. I asked Eric, but I'd like to know what would be your say on the matter.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post16412781
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5/8/09 at 7:50am
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That honor belongs to Once Upon a Time in the West.

I would also like to know where this disc can be bought.

If Clint had done the movie instead of turning it down i would agree but although Bronson is ok he ain't Eastwood.
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post #17 of 152
5/8/09 at 8:17am
Wow, those shots look excellent. It looks like the film hasn't been molested, and it has an English audio track. I may just have to import this, assuming I can find a good price for it.

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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder View Post

If Clint had done the movie instead of turning it down i would agree but although Bronson is ok he ain't Eastwood.

I liked Bronson, and he had some great lines. "I saw three of these dusters a short time ago, they were waiting for a train. Inside the dusters, there were three men. Inside the men, there were three bullets."

Speaking of which, where's Paramount with Once Upon a Time in the West? I saw a nice looking print from the latest restoration at the end of last summer; they must have a BD in the works.
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post #18 of 152
5/8/09 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder View Post

If Clint had done the movie instead of turning it down i would agree but although Bronson is ok he ain't Eastwood.

Leone did not want Eastwood for the Bronston role - he only wanted him, Eli Wallach and Lee Van Cleef to play the three men that were shot in the beginning
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post #19 of 152
5/8/09 at 9:00am
AFOD was restored by TLE films: http://www.tle-films.com/TLEFilms_Gallery_$1.htm
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post #20 of 152
5/8/09 at 10:39am
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AFOD was restored by TLE films: http://www.tle-films.com/TLEFilms_Gallery_$1.htm

That's an older, less extensive restoration though. I believe this new one was from Cineteca Nazionale and Ripley's Film of Rome with the actual work being done by Digital Film Lab in Copenhagen, working from the original negative.

Here are some worthwhile links with details:
http://news.creativecow.net/story/858244
http://www.fujifilm.com/products/mot...rdi_dnk_01.pdf
http://www.csc-cinematografia.it/eve...ATE=events.jsp (in Italian)
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post #21 of 152
5/8/09 at 11:46am
Seems to look lovely. A nice analog-looking image. A little odd that they gave this a restoration, but not The Good/Bad/Ugly, since I imagine most would give it higher status as a classic
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5/8/09 at 11:51am
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Seems to look lovely. A nice analog-looking image. A little odd that they gave this a restoration, but not The Good/Bad/Ugly, since I imagine most would give it higher status as a classic

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly had a beautiful restoration done and Clint and Eli even recorded vocals for some missing dialogue.

I think all three movies and Once Upon A Time in the West had restoration work done but it's what happened on the way to Blu Ray that has affected the image quality of that movie.
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post #23 of 152
5/8/09 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder View Post

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly had a beautiful restoration done and Clint and Eli even recorded vocals for some missing dialogue.

I think all three movies and Once Upon A Time in the West had restoration work done but it's what happened on the way to Blu Ray that has affected the image quality of that movie.

The transfer was DNR'd a long time ago (for the SE DVD). I have a HDNet cap from 4 years ago that looks identical to the BD.
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post #24 of 152
5/8/09 at 12:13pm
So no one knows where you can buy this?
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post #25 of 152
5/8/09 at 12:53pm
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So no one knows where you can buy this?

I was wondering that myself. The Beaver has a few links, but I didn't check which one is the cheaper or most reliable.
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post #26 of 152
5/8/09 at 12:56pm
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The Beaver has a few links, but I didn't check which one is the cheaper or most reliable.

Yeah, I checked those out. Two reported it not in stock, and it appeared the third didn't ship outside of Italy.
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post #27 of 152
5/8/09 at 5:31pm
These pictures look phenomenal. Is this disc region-free?
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post #28 of 152
5/9/09 at 3:28am
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These pictures look phenomenal. Is this disc region-free?

Yes, it is region free. I think I got mine from dvd.it
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post #29 of 152
5/9/09 at 7:02pm
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If you plan on buying this get it now before some retailers raise the price. No plan for US release.
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5/9/09 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by FoxyMulder View Post

....The Good, The Bad and The Ugly is the best western ever made. ( spagetti )

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Originally Posted by MSmith83 View Post

That honor belongs to Once Upon a Time in the West.

It most certainly does!

These caps look better than I would expect. I'm surprised that there isn't even more grain. I would be curious to know how this transfer was done.

Edit: looks like it was done off the O-neg.
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