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post #451 of 521
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Originally Posted by Kannisto View Post

OK, installed Media Player Classic Homecinema and took these with that one. Left side is the MGM release and right side is the Mondo release. Hopefully my setup was correct.











Kannisto.

Thanks for the additional shots. Truly a big difference between the two.
How about a couple of shots of Lee Van Cleef from both the MGM and the Mondo version?
post #452 of 521
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Originally Posted by Rigby Reardon View Post

A few more appetizers










A big thanks to you also Rigby. Should have had the Italians do the Gladiator BD.
post #453 of 521
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Originally Posted by Blasst View Post

Kannisto.

Thanks for the additional shots. Truly a big difference between the two.
How about a couple of shots of Lee Van Cleef from both the MGM and the Mondo version?

Allright, here are some In the first of these there's actually some more image on the lower part of frame in the Mondo screecap while most of the caps had the same framing for the lower part.







I checked the English audio on the remux version I created with Rigby's script and it was perfect in all the spots I sampled Looking forward to watching the Italian version with English audio soon.
post #454 of 521
I have created the ultimate BD with English, German and Italian audio. Doesn't fit on a BD-R 50 though but works fine as an ISO in my HTPC.
post #455 of 521
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Originally Posted by Rathbone View Post

I have created the ultimate BD with English, German and Italian audio. Doesn't fit on a BD-R 50 though but works fine as an ISO in my HTPC.

Just as a note, if you processed the German audio track with the Avisynth script as well, you will get some glitches (like stuttering dialog) in a few places, because the German audio is not completely in sync with the English one. Some cuts would have to be moved to make it work right.
post #456 of 521
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Originally Posted by Kannisto View Post

Allright, here are some In the first of these there's actually some more image on the lower part of frame in the Mondo screecap while most of the caps had the same framing for the lower part.







I checked the English audio on the remux version I created with Rigby's script and it was perfect in all the spots I sampled Looking forward to watching the Italian version with English audio soon.

Ah very good Kannisto!

The bad need some attention also in these screencaps that are being shown.
post #457 of 521
Anyone feel like matching these frames from the 2004 "The Cutting Edge" documentary? I think the credits said the source is MGM but I'd have to check again to be sure.


post #458 of 521
Sorry If this have been discussed recently but how long is the "original" English speaking version, the one that's been out on VHS and early DVDs?
How long is the extended version?
And the Italian version?

I'm reading all kind of lengths at imdb and on the blu-ray covers so a bit confused here
(it say's 161min on all BD covers and that seems short for the extended)
post #459 of 521
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Originally Posted by buddywhite View Post

I'm reading all kind of lengths at imdb and on the blu-ray covers so a bit confused here
(it say's 161min on all BD covers and that seems short for the extended)

The BD cover is a misprint and the actual runtime of the MGM release is 2:58:41. They also lowball their own video bitrate claiming AVC @ 18 Mbps on the cover when it's more like 23 Mbps.
post #460 of 521
The Italian theatrical version was about 174 minutes.

The theatrical version shown in the US (and some other international markets) was considerably shortened and came out at about 161 minutes. This is the version that was dubbed in English in the 1960s, and was available on VHS and DVD before the 2004 special edition was released.

The 2003 restoration by MGM added the missing bits from the Italian theatrical version back to the US version, and additionally restored the "grotto scene" (which had been removed by Leone) and some other minor bits and pieces (mostly during the torture scene and the finale on the graveyard). It is about 178 minutes. New English dialog was recorded for the added parts. This one is on the special edition DVD and MGM BD.

I guess it's fair to say that the Italian cut is the one Leone wanted, while the MGM version contains the most complete cut.
post #461 of 521
I've been waiting for the price of MGM's GBU to drop (figured a SLIGHTLY lackluster effort could be justified at a lower price), but after seeing the Mondo version, I think I will hold onto my money.
post #462 of 521
Thanks guys.

I've only seen the international 161 cut then. And I'm pretty satisfied with that one. To damn bad the Eye-talian BD didn't have the English audio cause I'm curious on Leones original version and would like to see some of the extended scenes(not that I think it will improv this great movie). Also, the picture seems to be a lot better. Damn.
post #463 of 521
Hi Rigby,

EDIT: Solved by myself, didn;t install NicAudio, duh.

Having a problem running the script in mpc-ht. Have Avisynth 2.58 with soundout plugin installed. Open the file in mpc and get the following error message:

Script error: there is no function named "NicLPCMSource"
(C:Users\\******\\Desktop\\GBUDub.avs, line 18)

Here is my amended script with my file name, have I done something wrong:

/*
* GBUDub.avs
*
* This script generates a synced English dub for the
* Italian Blu-ray release of "The Good, the Bad, and
* the Ugly" out of the audio track of the MGM Blu-ray.
*
* Input file:
* PCM (big endian) format, 48kHz/24 bit, 6 channels
* runtime 02:58:41
*
* The runtime of the output file should be 02:54:23.
*
* "Rigby Reardon" @ AVSForum, 2009-10-18
*/

# Replace with your own filename here
au0 = NicLPCMSource("d:\\TGTBTU.PCM", 48000, -24, 6)

bl0 = BlankClip(length=256135, fps=24000, fps_denominator=1001, \\
channels=6, audio_rate=48000, sample_type="24bit")

av0 = AudioDub(bl0, au0)

Trim(bl0, 0 , 413 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 312 , 4237 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 4254 , 18251 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 18253 , 27442 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 27441 , 35469 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 35469 , 35796 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 35796 , 40375 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 40378 , 55111 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 59854 , 66116 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 66109 , 75416 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 75418 , 76166 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 76168 , 91535 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 91534 , 94950 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 94950 , 118982 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 118974 , 124891 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 124891 , 141569 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 141569 , 147641 ) ++ \\
Dissolve( \\
Trim(av0, 149245 , 149536 ), \\
Trim(av0, 147643 , 148134 ), 10 \\
) ++ \\
Dissolve( \\
Trim(av0, 148132 , 148324 ), \\
Trim(av0, 148321 , 149145 ), \\
Trim(av0, 150217 , 150497 ), \\
Trim(av0, 150490 , 150710 ), \\
Trim(av0, 150705 , 150791 ), \\
Trim(av0, 150787 , 151022 ), \\
Trim(av0, 149522 , 149805 ), \\
Trim(av0, 151029 , 151406 ), \\
Trim(av0, 151396 , 151510 ), 2 \\
) ++ \\
Dissolve( \\
Trim(av0, 151510 , 152091 ), \\
Trim(av0, 149792 , 150237 ), \\
Trim(av0, 152075 , 152492 ), 20 \\
) ++ \\
Dissolve( \\
Trim(av0, 152583 , 152921 ), \\
Trim(av0, 152984 , 154010 ), 2 \\
) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 154010 , 163697 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 163699 , 168009 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 168009 , 168723 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 168723 , 175351 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 175351 , 176293 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 176284 , 211334 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 211337 , 223241 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 223240 , 224481 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 224480 , 234857 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 234859 , 244119 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 244116 , 244155 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 244155 , 244722 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 244724 , 245819 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 245821 , 249585 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 249974 , 253861 ) ++ \\
Trim(av0, 253890 , 256134 ).FadeOut0(240)

SoundOut()


Thanks for any help in advance
post #464 of 521
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Originally Posted by scarface30 View Post

EDIT: Solved by myself, didn;t install NicAudio, duh

Oops, forgot to mention NicAudio. I added it to the original posting. Glad you solved it.
post #465 of 521
I finally received my copy yesterday. Wow, Mondo BD is really something compared to MGM edition now that I can judge them myself and not just trust the screencapture comparison. Though, in my opinion, the caps already proofed the superiority of the Italian BD. Very beautiful film like presentation, strong natural grain like watching a very good quality film print at cinema and I did not find anything wrong with the colors either.

Next I will author a custom BD with both Italian and English audio and set of subtitles. I might even watch the film in Italian for the first time even though I prefer Clint's own voice. Thanks Rigby Reardon for the script! I also bought the Italian Mondo BD of For a few dollars more (Per qualche dollaro in piĆ¹) and it will get the same custom treatment.
post #466 of 521
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Originally Posted by Pecker View Post

Oh dear.

The restoration was on the film. How it's been transfered to Blu-ray Disc has nothing to do with the restoration.

No one 'maxed out the DNR knob', there is definitely film grain in the MGM presentation. DNR was 'maxed out' on Patton, and there is virtually no extra detail on the Blu-ray Disc than the DVD - that is not the case here.

Once again, we're presented with either 'no DNR' (not true) vs. 'maxed out DNR' (again, not true).

Steve W

I have never before seen the restored film in which the marks of the fatpen have been left. With a fatpen the editor makes notes to the POSITIVE work copy of the film. Those yellow signs are these marks of the fatpen. The other pic is from the MGM UK blu-ray and second from MGM UK DVD. It's the same frame (about 86 min, after monastery).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...1&d=1257101091
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...1&d=1257101111

However, the restoration is normally made from the filmnegative. In other words the conclusion is this: Both DVD and blu-ray have been made from the same master. And at least in a part of the filmcopy and not from the negative. The marks of the fatpen can be easily rubbed out on a soft cloth. So I am surprised very at this fine restoration of MGM. Was there no allowance even to the piece of cloth?

(Ps. I'm not sure what's the legally english name of "fatpen".)
LL
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post #467 of 521
Wow I'm so glad the Mondo release looks fantastic on these screencaps, and
I'm glad I learned Italian recently, so I'm going to order this version!
post #468 of 521
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Originally Posted by Rigby Reardon View Post

Almost weekend, what better to do than sit down at an editing workstation and make an english dub for the Mondo disc

This is exactly what I was hoping to find when I set out googling 15 mins. ago.
Thanks a lot!'

I suppose using the original mono audio would be impossible since it has a shorter runtime?
I don't like how they messed with the sound effects in the 5.1 version
post #469 of 521
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Originally Posted by Amaze View Post

This is exactly what I was hoping to find when I set out googling 15 mins. ago.
Thanks a lot!'

I suppose using the original mono audio would be impossible since it has a shorter runtime?
I don't like how they messed with the sound effects in the 5.1 version

If you are referring to the original english audio for the international cut (which was contained e.g. on the 1998 DVD) then no, this is not directly possible since it's lacking about 14 minutes from the Italian cut, including some dialog. You'd have to patch up the gaps using the remastered MGM audio. That is certainly doable, but you'd have to repeat all the editing.

You can use the Avisynth script to process the mono track from the MGM BD (which is a downmix of the 5.1 track). This will of course not give you back the original gun shot sounds etc., but at least remove the directional effects if they are bothering you.
post #470 of 521
I think I will live with the remastered audio for now. Maybe one day I'll try to fill in the old audio, would be quite some work needed.
post #471 of 521
I bought it at a cheap price at my grocery store. Watch it and was pleased with it. Definitely not as bad as this thread makes it out to be. And not great either, obviously. But more than ok.

First time I saw the longer cut but I don't think it added anything. Maybe I've seen the old international cut too many times...
post #472 of 521
There's a big problem with this new mondo transfer....I'm assuming because this was from the original negative (and not the mgm interpositive based version) that each cut is glued together or spliced together and that over time this has warped the first two frames of the incoming shot and the last two frames of the outgoing shot, because EVERY CUT JUMPS....mostly each cut slightly shifts or warps, but literally there are cuts where the frame jumps a 3rd up the screen - and you can see the top of the frame at the bottom of the screen on the cut! (as if the film is out of it's register as it's being scanned) Case in point, look at the 2nd or 3rd cut in the scene where tuco is shot of his horse (and then after Blondie/Eastwood comes in for the first time). Tuco reaches for his gun, and the last 2 frames jump a 3rd up the screen, his boot is now on the bottom of the screen divided by a black line (a film frame line) - it would be great if someone who can capture br could post those frames up....
post #473 of 521
Watched all three yesterday on MGMHD including the longer version of TGBATU and it was a real treat! A perfect way to spend the afternoon. Sergio really perfected his head shots in the last film...
post #474 of 521
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Originally Posted by krugj View Post

There's a big problem with this new mondo transfer....I'm assuming because this was from the original negative (and not the mgm interpositive based version) that each cut is glued together or spliced together and that over time this has warped the first two frames of the incoming shot and the last two frames of the outgoing shot, because EVERY CUT JUMPS....mostly each cut slightly shifts or warps, but literally there are cuts where the frame jumps a 3rd up the screen - and you can see the top of the frame at the bottom of the screen on the cut! (as if the film is out of it's register as it's being scanned) Case in point, look at the 2nd or 3rd cut in the scene where tuco is shot of his horse (and then after Blondie/Eastwood comes in for the first time). Tuco reaches for his gun, and the last 2 frames jump a 3rd up the screen, his boot is now on the bottom of the screen divided by a black line (a film frame line) - it would be great if someone who can capture br could post those frames up....

I've seen this on numerous Hong Kong films transfered to DVD over the years. It's excruciating to endure ,
post #475 of 521
Has anyone been able to compare the blu-ray with last weeks MGMHD tv presentation?
post #476 of 521
Quote:
Originally Posted by krugj View Post

There's a big problem with this new mondo transfer....I'm assuming because this was from the original negative (and not the mgm interpositive based version) that each cut is glued together or spliced together and that over time this has warped the first two frames of the incoming shot and the last two frames of the outgoing shot, because EVERY CUT JUMPS....mostly each cut slightly shifts or warps, but literally there are cuts where the frame jumps a 3rd up the screen - and you can see the top of the frame at the bottom of the screen on the cut! (as if the film is out of it's register as it's being scanned) Case in point, look at the 2nd or 3rd cut in the scene where tuco is shot of his horse (and then after Blondie/Eastwood comes in for the first time). Tuco reaches for his gun, and the last 2 frames jump a 3rd up the screen, his boot is now on the bottom of the screen divided by a black line (a film frame line) - it would be great if someone who can capture br could post those frames up....

Here's the 2nd (most extreme) frame:



Hardly a third up the screen. While this is not nice, I would certainly not classify it as a "big problem". Very few (if any) cuts are affected as badly as the one above, and in most cases it's not noticeable during normal viewing (at least for me). Also, not nearly "all" cuts are affected at all.
post #477 of 521
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Originally Posted by Rigby Reardon View Post

Here's the 2nd (most extreme) frame:


Hardly a third up the screen. While this is not nice, I would certainly not classify it as a "big problem". Very few (if any) cuts are affected as badly as the one above, and in most cases it's not noticeable during normal viewing (at least for me). Also, not nearly "all" cuts are affected at all.

Thanks very very much for putting this up, and yes while I guess I was exaggerating slightly because I was so frustrated, if you watch the cuts on certain scenes (like the Lee Van Cleef opening) you will see that the image warps/shifts on 2 frames out/in on every cut...literally every one in that scene... (it's subtle so maybe you need to go frame by frame to see it)....some shots/cuts are a lot worse than others...obviously if it's a static shot that's when it's most noticeable....so I agree that maybe the average viewer wouldn't notice it, but I'm an editor and it kills me...I really found it distracting...
post #478 of 521
Things like this will are prone to occur on something that's using the full height of the negative, even if it is just 2-perf Techniscope in this case. The same thing happens with 4-perf anamorphic flicks too. I've noticed that a lot of such movies have these kinds of blips at edit points, and more often than not they get cropped slightly top and bottom when transferred to video to hide the worst of it.
post #479 of 521
about the english and italian audio tracks, does one of the track sound more natural than the other one, despite the language differences? are sounds/music/background noises better on one track than on the other one?
post #480 of 521
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by EvlAsh View Post

Has anyone been able to compare the blu-ray with last weeks MGMHD tv presentation?

I was informed that its the same PQ as the US blu-ray release. In other words Crap.
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