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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens 
Of all the people on this forum, you have made Fist Pumping for the studios a full time job. You are here all day, every day, never stopping and one wonders why.
In fact, you are now powting more than any other member, by far.
Most of us here do not want to bury ourselves in the sands of a pretend reality where massive amounts of DVNR are needed, but we also do not want to argue with people who refuse to see reality, who continue to say that noise reducing grain until it is gone is perfectly OK because the director is dead and cannot be here and because "it's better than the DVD."
In fact, many have left this forum in frustration because they simply cannot take it anymore. I am close to that because AVS, once THE place to be for truth, is turning into a Joe Six Pack land of studio apologists who strive for the lowest possible quality. Privately, numerous members here are at the end of their rope and are perfectly justified in that.
This film, along with the TREK films, has been given the shaft and looks nothing like the original film elements. It no longer looks like any film would look because it has been so massively scrubbed of grain and more importantly, detail.
There is nothing you can say or do to change that. These Xylon screen captures only add in your face proof to what I and others have seen with our own eyes. We saw the film in a theater and now we are NOT seeing that film on BD. Instead, we have a pale pretendor that looks like a low resolution video game.
It's criminal. The evidence is overwheleming, but in an era where someone clearly saying or doing something on video is explained or "spun" away by partison cheerleaders, what else can one expect...?
The moon is made of cheese.
Of all the people on this forum, you have made Fist Pumping for the studios a full time job. You are here all day, every day, never stopping and one wonders why.
In fact, you are now powting more than any other member, by far.Most of us here do not want to bury ourselves in the sands of a pretend reality where massive amounts of DVNR are needed, but we also do not want to argue with people who refuse to see reality, who continue to say that noise reducing grain until it is gone is perfectly OK because the director is dead and cannot be here and because "it's better than the DVD."
In fact, many have left this forum in frustration because they simply cannot take it anymore. I am close to that because AVS, once THE place to be for truth, is turning into a Joe Six Pack land of studio apologists who strive for the lowest possible quality. Privately, numerous members here are at the end of their rope and are perfectly justified in that.
This film, along with the TREK films, has been given the shaft and looks nothing like the original film elements. It no longer looks like any film would look because it has been so massively scrubbed of grain and more importantly, detail.
There is nothing you can say or do to change that. These Xylon screen captures only add in your face proof to what I and others have seen with our own eyes. We saw the film in a theater and now we are NOT seeing that film on BD. Instead, we have a pale pretendor that looks like a low resolution video game.
It's criminal. The evidence is overwheleming, but in an era where someone clearly saying or doing something on video is explained or "spun" away by partison cheerleaders, what else can one expect...?
The moon is made of cheese.
I understand the point you are trying to make. I think what you have to realize is that to some people...better than DVD is good enough.
Is that acceptable to you? No. Personally, I'm not happy with the results for this release...but I have no other copies of it. I will probably pick it up just to have it.
The bottom line is that the folks who believe that "better than DVD is good enough" deserve just as much respect as anyone else here. They should be able to post here without fear of attack. It's simply their opinion and they are just as welcome to their opinions as you are to yours.
Fine...the "better than DVD is good enough" crowd happen to be running others off. Consider this however, the folks on the other side of the argument aren't exactly helping the situation. It doesn't make for a very inviting environment. There is a complete lack of respect for one another from both sides.
This is not an issue with only one viewpoint. Let's all attempt to understand that...show some respect for each other...and move on.
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens
It's criminal.
It's criminal.
Matt, you didn't really mean this did you?
This type of thing has got to stop. I understand that you are upset and understandably so. Criminal this is not however. Let's keep things in perspective. Comparing a poor BD release to a criminal offense is way over the top.
