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post #511 of 1198
I was going to grab two of these off eBay (from the seller that CHolleman quoted) but figured it would be a waste of money as i would eventually install Cat6 cable anyways.

I really wanted a gigabit Ethernet connection too and with the few problems I saw others have in this thread I decided not to mess with MoCA.
post #512 of 1198
Found this forum post searching for Ethernet over coax options. This sounds fantastic, but I've got a unique situation I could use some help with.

My house was home-run with coax to each room from an external entry point (I literally have a sheath of uncrimped cables coming out of the side of my house. There are some splitters involved since there are less cables than coax ports - I'm guessing they ran 1 per room and split each room to however many ports were there.

I don't have cable or satellite tv, so I just have all that unused cabling. I get Internet through DSL. I'd love to convert all that coax to usable Ethernet, but I know something's going to have to be done to those cables outside - nothing's connected.

If I buy a splitter to mount outside and connect all the coax to the "split" end, but don't connect the opposing port to an incoming source, is it still going to work?

Also, since I don't have to worry about TV interference, is there a better/cheaper way for me to do this?
post #513 of 1198
You should do exactly that and it should work fine.
post #514 of 1198
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tlmaclennan View Post

I was going to grab two of these off eBay (from the seller that CHolleman quoted) but figured it would be a waste of money as i would eventually install Cat6 cable anyways.

I really wanted a gigabit Ethernet connection too and with the few problems I saw others have in this thread I decided not to mess with MoCA.

Keep in mind that the problems we are having are related to using 3-5 year old used equipment for a purpose it was not intended for.

MoCA in itself is great tech - and if you don't want to deal with the issues of the used equipment - the new MoCA stuff from Netgear/Dlink et. all is great if you don't mind spending the $$.

That said, if I could run Cat6 in my house without extreme makeover's help, I would

xnappo
post #515 of 1198
I guess I should have said that I decided not to mess with MoCA via the Actiontec routers. I definitely think that MoCA is a great technology, just at the price point of $100 - $200 I didn't want to go with the Netgear or D-Link solutions.

The thing is that I recently re-organized the networking in my condo and needed wired Ethernet from the living room to the master bedroom. There was a coax run that would have worked out perfectly, so I considered the Actiontec routers. Problem is I wanted a gigabit connection and something that would just work. After reading this entire thread and considering what it would take to run Cat6, I decided to just bite the bullet and run the Cat6.

So I ended up taking some trim off in the living room, cutting an inch of drywall out at the bottom of the wall and around the doors, ran two Cat6 cables (one to supply internet to my gigabit switch as the wireless router is not gigabit, the other for a gigabit connection for my HTPC) and installed new trim. The project even allowed me to add some much needed trim around my sliding glass door.

Overall I spent more on the Cat6 run than just using the Actiontec routers...it was comparable in price to getting a D-link or Netgear MoCA bridge. But now I have a proper gigabit network with 2 runs from the living room to the master bedroom and I was able to add some trim to the sliding glass door. Granted, my situation was much easier than running network cables to an entire house. If I had to run cables to an entire house I would definitely go with a MoCA network.
post #516 of 1198
xnappo,

I don't know if you remember me or my issue... I haven't been on this site for a year now... but I have tested my moca network with different freq. when using the normal fios splitter 1 to 1GHZ on Moca channels 2 thru 6 the signal work but drop out internet signal on and off... I ended up upgrade some of my splitters to 2GHZ and I have Moca Channel 1 for all my (6) STB boxes and one actiontec moca router access point... Then I have another ActionTec moca access point connected to FIOS router via Ethernet which then broadcasts moca signal at channel 6 (1400 MHz) to 3 other actiontec moca access point... I'm thinking the 1GHZ signal limits the signal or the quality is just not there for the internet to work proper. Correctly I have no issues with my setup now.

Bassmon31
post #517 of 1198
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Originally Posted by bassmon31 View Post

I'm thinking the 1GHZ signal limits the signal or the quality is just not there for the internet to work proper. Correctly I have no issues with my setup now.

Bassmon31

Thanks for the info. I definitely think that having high-quality splitters is important.

Unfortunately there are many cheap splitters around that are marked 2Mhz that are still garbage - so I recommend people buy from a reputable source.

Where did you pick yours up?

xnappo
post #518 of 1198
I bought my 2GHz splitters at bestbuy for about $7.99... the brand was dynex.
post #519 of 1198
Seeing some decent prices on Ebay, but curious if i can expect issues using different revs of the Actiontec MI424WR. I saw Rev A is not recommended, but the best price point right now would be on an E and a C.

Wonderful thread!
post #520 of 1198
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Originally Posted by shawnburt View Post

Seeing some decent prices on Ebay, but curious if i can expect issues using different revs of the Actiontec MI424WR. I saw Rev A is not recommended, but the best price point right now would be on an E and a C.

Wonderful thread!

i'm using an A and C together with no problems, and many others are mixing versions without issue.

also, thanks for all the work everyone has done in the thread. moved into a new apartment last weekend, picked up a couple actiontec's yesterday and up and running this morning!
post #521 of 1198
First things first: many thanks to xnappo. I've been using three MI424WR's since a few weeks after his first post.

One of my three units (a rev A) has probably died. I can't get it to do anything via the wired ports. I first noticed that all the devices connected to LAN ports that were working well spontaneously disconnected from my home network. I could still connect to its web page, but that was over the cable connection.

Then I reset it. Now I can't talk to it at all. I think it's supposed to have address 192.168.1.1, reachable through the LAN ports, after a reset. That's not working. I guess this makes sense if the LAN interface died. Is there anything else I can do to diagnose it now? Is there a super master reset?
post #522 of 1198
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Originally Posted by xlurkr View Post


One of my three units (a rev A) has probably died. I can't get it to do anything via the wired ports.

Common problem, I got several bad Rev A's that did the same thing..
post #523 of 1198
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Hypnosis4U2NV View Post

Common problem, I got several bad Rev A's that did the same thing..

Yep - these used A's are pretty crappy. If you use them, be sure to keep them ventilated. But stay away from rev As if you can.

xnappo
post #524 of 1198
Well, it was well ventilated. Still seems like an odd way for it to fail.

I replaced the failed unit with my least important one, and bought another on eBay to backfill. Got another rev A. I should have waited till you guys replied.

If another one fails, I'll get a different rev.

Again, thanks to xnappo. These things are great when they work, which is most of the time. I never would have thought of using my cable for networking if not for you. I can't imagine how many people would be better off using MOCA than wireless.
post #525 of 1198
+1 on the thanks to Xnappo.

I run a network of four of these units and rely on them for my Internet access, as well as four ReplayTV DVR's that talk to each other. It's great. I've replaced all my Rev A's with C's, D's and even a Rev E. All my problems went away and the network has been stable for over six months no.
post #526 of 1198
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys! Glad you are finding it useful - I know I am!

I have had two rev As fail - both were not well ventilated (in the same place) and they definitely failed in really weird ways. One of them just worked but was really slow.

xnappo
post #527 of 1198
Another thanks to xnappo!

Setup was a breeze, and I am doing tests with two units connected with a 6' piece of coax. Life would be totally grand if not for what appears to be a 1-2% problem... but... that affects some pretty popular flicks so it is an issue, maybe you can help...

The problem is the dreaded stuttering, but... not with everything. Like I said just a very small percentage of Bluray rips, for example... Avatar.

I had some stuttering with a couple other Bluray rips such as Shoot Em Up, and after doing a search on this thread I tried changing to advanced routing and changed the ports from Auto to 100Full. This seems to have fixed the problem with Shoot Em Up and most of the other rips, but Avatar is still breaking up. It's just enough that it is totally annoying.

Right now I pulled up a Bluray rip of Rambo and it is working flawlessly, as do most of my HD DVD and BD rips. The players are a Playon!HD, PS3, and HTPC.

So it looks like everything but super high bitrate BD's and HD DVDs are working fine. All in all these work great, but if I can't get the stuttering fixed I may have to go a different route, which I really don't want to have to do.

Any suggestions? My gut tells me if I have stuttering issues with a 6' piece of coax that once I run it through my entire house it is going to be worse.

Oh... Yes Avatar plays fine over ethernet, just when I run across coax is when it stutters.
post #528 of 1198
My experience is that Blu-ray rips at 1080P will cause the stuttering and 720P rips will not.. Theoretically, the units should be able to stream 1080P media flawlessly over a 100Mb connection without sweating.. But for some reason, during high bitrate scenes, they bog down..

They work for my application where I need full internet bandwidth in areas I could not get a WiFi signal as well as streaming 720P movies..
post #529 of 1198
Yeah it is definitely a bit rate issue, but I do have some 1080p content rips that play fine. Here is what plays and what doesn't. The GB is the file size not the bitrate...

Stutters
POTC Curse of the Black Pearl BD - 32GB LCPM
POTC Deadman's Chest BD - 32GB LCPM
Wild Hogs BD - 24GB LCPM
The Patriot BD - 37GB DD
A Fist Full of Dollars BD - 29GB DTS
For A Few Dollars More BD - 32GB DTS
Shoot Em Up BD - 20GB DTS
Batman The Dark Knight BD - 33GB DD
Hellboy BD - 38GB DD
Ironman BD - 32GB DD
The Punisher Warzone BD - 30GB DTS
Rocky II BD - 35GB DTS
Rocky III BD - 28GB DTS
Rocky IV BD - 27GB DTS
Rocky V BD - 32GB DTS
Rocky Balboa BD - 27GB DD
Avatar BD - 40GB DTS
House of 1000 Corpses BD - 20GB DTS

Plays fine
The Mummy HD DVD - 20GB DD+
The Mummy Returns HD DVD - 24GB DD+
The Scorpion King HD DVD - 13GB DD+
Beowulf HD DVD - 22GB DD+
Clash of the Titans 2010 BD - 18GB DTS
Clash of the Titans 1981 BD - 29GB DTS
Dragon Heart HD DVD - 19GB DD+
Kingdom of Heaven BD 36GB DTS
Spartacus HD DVD - 29GB DD+
Troy Special Edition HD DVD - 23GB DD+
Payback Straight UP HD DVD - 17GB DD+
Die Hard BD - 28GB DTS
Die Hard4 BD - 31GB DTS
Terminator BD - 20GB DD
Terminator 2 BD - 26GB DTS
Terminator 3 BD - 13GB DD
Terminator 4 BD - 26GB DTS
The Bourne Identity HD DVD - 20GB DD+
The Bourne Supremacy HD DVD - 18GB DD+
The Bourne Ultimatum HD DVD - 17GB DD+
Mission Impossible III HD DVD - 20GB DD+
Dukes of Hazzard HD DVD- 11GB DD+
The Good The Bad and The Ugly BD - 37GB DTS
Unforgiven HD DVD - 17GB DD+
The Italian Job HD DVD - 20GB DTS
The Rundown HD DVD - 15GB DD+
Smokey and the Bandit HD DVD - 12GB DD+
Swordfish BD - 16GB DD
Rio Bravo HD DVD - 22GB DD+
Batman Begins HD DVD - 17GB DD+
RoboCop BD - 18GB DTS
Superman II The Donner Cut HD DVD - 19GB DD+
Superman the Movie HD DVD - 24GB DD+
The Incredible Hulk BD - 17GB DTS
The Hulk HD DVD - 18GB DD+
The Phantom BD - 22GB DTS
Star Trek The Motion Picture BD - 14GB DD
Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan BD - 12GB DD
Star Trek III The Search for Spock BD - 11GB DD
Star Trek IV The Voyage Home BD - 12GB DD
Star Trek V The Final Frontier BD - 11GB DD
Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country BD - 12GB DD
Star Trek VII Generations BD - 12GB DD
Star Trek VIII First Contact BD - 11GB DD
Star Trek IX Insurrection BD - 11GB DD
Star Trek X Nemisis BD - 12GB DD
Star Trek XI Trek 2009 13GB DD
STOS Seasons 1-3 BD DD
Rambo 01 BD - 19GB DD
Rambo 02 BD - 20GB DTS
Rambo 03 BD - 20GB DTS
Rambo 04 BD - 10GB DD
Rocky I BD - 19GB DTS
2001 HD DVD - 17GB DD+
Blade Runner Final Cut HD DVD - 17GB DD+
Doom HD DVD - 14GB DD+
King Kong BD - 28GB DTS
King Kong HD DVD - 26GB DD+
Madmax The Road Warrior HD DVD - 17GB DD+
Pitch Black HD DVD - 20GB DD+
Chronicles of Riddick HD DVD - 22GB DTS
Serenity HD DVD - 18GB DD+
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow HD DVD - 20GB DTS
The Prestige BD - 32GB DD
Total Recall BD - 23GB DTS
Predator BD - 20GB DTS
Species BD 20GB DD
Star Gate BD - 22GB DD
Meet Joe Black HD DVD - 25GB DD+
The Lake House BD - 12GB DD
Casino HD DVD - 25GB DD+
We Were Soldiers HD DVD - 25GB DTS
Payback Straight Up HD DVD - 16GB DD+
Van Helsing HD DVD - 20GB DD+
The Devil's Rejects BD - 21GB DTS

So like I mentioned, it is strange. Some things play fine while others are unwatchable.

Other than this, I really like these Actiontecs, but if I can't play everything this won't work for me. Unless there is some tweak or setting, which doesn't sound like it- Is there any other options/newer gear that will work? My house isn't easy to run cables so I'd like to stay away from having to run cat5/6 through the house.
post #530 of 1198
Unfortunately, I don't think you can 'fix' that problem.. What Rev are you using? I think I read somewhere that the Rev E's did not have that type of problem.. Again, you could always use the dedicated MoCA gear from Netgear, D-Link or Actiontec but the prices get really high for just two units..

At some point, I will have to get around running cat5e or cat6 cables to rooms in the house, but that is a tedious task that I really don't look forward to.. As long as these units work for my tasks, I will delay the inevitable..
post #531 of 1198
Sorry I should have mentioned what Rev...

RevC.

Question... I understand these units are older units but will the Netgear or DLink units really work any better? I have no problem spending the money on them if they definitely work. If they won't be any better than what I have then I'll have to suck it up and go through the hassle of running cat6 through lathe and plaster... yuck!
post #532 of 1198
Ya know... I'm looking at the specs of the MI424WR and it is more than enough to stream HD content, even 1080p content.

Also look at my list, I am streaming a boat load of HD DVD and Bluray rips, and all are 1080p. When I went through my library and initially ripped everything, it all worked on my HTPC but some rips wouldn't play on my PlayOn!HDs or PS3. I had to use tsMuxer to remux them and down convert the HD audio.

Granted these all play when streamed through cat5... it's only when going through cable that some of my rips crap out. Since the ethernet can handle it, and the cable bandwidth is higher than that, it must be with the bitrate and ethernet to MoCA converter.

With that said, I am going to try and remux some of the titles that don't work and see if I can keep the 1080p resolution but maybe lower the bitrate or something.

Honestly I'm not sure these newer commercial units are any better than what we have here. These specs should work...
post #533 of 1198
Okay got one on the list to work... Going to remux the others now.

Here's what I did... even after ripping with your favorite program (my weapon of choice is AnyDVD HD)... and even if your player will downconvert True HD... it is too much for the ethernet to coax converters. Granted I did just one movie so far, but it is playing perfect now with DTS and 1080p.

I'll let everyone know after I do the other 18 or so that are giving me trouble. I had a hard time believing these could handle 1500 plus other DVDs/HD DVDs/BDs (20TB) but couldn't stream 18 titles?

Again, let me remux the others and report back before I celebrate
post #534 of 1198
I have 3 Rev A devices. Two of them work fine in the in-house wiring and pair fine. The third will pair fine when connected to one of the others using a 3' patch cable but will not pair on the same household wiring.

I have verified that the problem is not the power supply.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Kevin
post #535 of 1198
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Originally Posted by avekevin View Post

I have 3 Rev A devices. Two of them work fine in the in-house wiring and pair fine. The third will pair fine when connected to one of the others using a 3' patch cable but will not pair on the same household wiring.

I have verified that the problem is not the power supply.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Kevin

Pretty sure that what died for me on my RevA that was making it go slow was the amplifier. If the amplifier is working, but not at full strength that would explain your issue. If you are using the same exact cabling, I think you will need to get another.

xnappo
post #536 of 1198
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Originally Posted by wbassett View Post

Ya know... I'm looking at the specs of the MI424WR and it is more than enough to stream HD content, even 1080p content.

I think it must have something to do with packet management or something.

I am assuming that when people are experimenting with CAT5 vs. the Actiontecs, when going through the Actiontecs you are also going through a router? I would be curious to see if it works any better using the Actiontec as a router (though we know it has issues with NAT tables, I don't think that would hurt here).

I am also very curious about the Netgear models - if someone tries them please report:
- Does the issue go away using two Netgears
- Does the issue go away using a Netgear only at the sending side
- Does the issue go away using a Netgear only at the receiving side

xnappo
post #537 of 1198
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Originally Posted by avekevin View Post

The third will pair fine when connected to one of the others using a 3' patch cable but will not pair on the same household wiring.

If you tried replacing the one of the units that work fine with this one and continue to have an issue, then the cable port is dead..

If you can connect, but cannot connect at the location that the 3rd router is to be installed, then the problem lies in your household cable wiring to that location..
post #538 of 1198
Quote:
Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

I am assuming that when people are experimenting with CAT5 vs. the Actiontecs, when going through the Actiontecs you are also going through a router? I would be curious to see if it works any better using the Actiontec as a router (though we know it has issues with NAT tables, I don't think that would hurt here).

I am also very curious about the Netgear models - if someone tries them please report:
- Does the issue go away using two Netgears
- Does the issue go away using a Netgear only at the sending side
- Does the issue go away using a Netgear only at the receiving side

xnappo


I thought I read on here that people did not have the same problems when using Rev E's.. If that is true, and it's not the way the 1080P movies are converted to MKV's, then its a hardware issue isolated to the early revision Actiontecs.. Which would also mean that the stand alone MoCA devices will work with high bitrate MKV's..
post #539 of 1198
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Originally Posted by Hypnosis4U2NV View Post

I thought I read on here that people did not have the same problems when using Rev E's.. If that is true, and it's not the way the 1080P movies are converted to MKV's, then its a hardware issue isolated to the early revision Actiontecs.. Which would also mean that the stand alone MoCA devices will work with high bitrate MKV's..

I don't remember seeing someone with issues replace with Rev Es and see the issue go away... And still I am curious if just replacing one does any good.

Thanks,
xnappo
post #540 of 1198
I don't quite remember where I saw that information, but it had something to do with MoCA 1.1 versus MoCA 1.0 which Rev A, C, and D currently run.. And the information I saw was just a basic observation that someone with Rev E's did not have stuttering issues.. But that could have been related to the bitrate of the files be decoded..
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