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post #751 of 1141
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

The principal benefit of using a diplexer rather than a simple splitter is that there is far less loss of signal level to each device. Instead of giving half (actually less) of everything to each branch, it gives each branch most of the signal in the frequency band that branch actually uses. That was what xnappo's 12:44pm post put numbers on: a level loss of -1db to each branch (-3db is half strength). That means -1db to the MOCA box, and -4db to each of the outputs of the secondary splitter feeding the cable modem and Tivo.

If you used a pair of normal splitters hooked up exactly the same way, with the MOCA box on the open jack on the first splitter, the numbers would be -3.5db to the MOCA box, -7db (these are actually exponents, so -6db is half of -3db: one-quarter strength) to the cable modem, and -7db to the Tivo.

I'm put in mind of the story of how Solomon got his reputation for brilliance: by proposing to act as a 1x2 splitter to divide the baby between the two women claiming to be its mother, he found out who was the real mother (the one who cried "Let her have the baby, so it can live!"), enabling him to diplex instead, giving the whole baby to the real mother.

PS I gave out candy to the trick-or-treaters last night in my customary Spock costume: blue (licensed) original series shirt, black pants and shoes, and unlicensed pointy ears from a costume shop. One girl about 10 years old breathed "Spock!" when she saw me, others asked if I was someone from Star Trek (or Star Wars). One couple ushering their kids around were split between the two - I pointed out, as Spock, that the principle of Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations meant it was unnecessary to choose between the two series - and then said, "May the midichlorians be with you." (I hope you don't mind the first prequel reference - the farce is strong in this one.)

I keep my sideburns trimmed diagonally year-round anyway.

Didn't have time to work on the eyebrows this year.

Do you play trombone like your namesake on Next Gen?

If I'm correct, though, the level of internet available over the coax/cable lines in the house is dictated by the strength at the main line/MOCA hook-up. I don't use teh Actiontec set-up, I have Moto boxes that if I have a strong signal two lights remain 'on' (one is power, the other the signal strength). If one flashes (strength) that means i have a signal but not the strongest. On my MOCA box connected to the diplexer is, I get a flashing light. So even using the standard splitter downstairs i get a flashing light on that MOCA and get internet access.
Am I incorrect? Meaning, if i put a diplexer downstairs will the light stop flashing and remain 'on'? The main cable line comes to our house and into a box on the side of our house that splits up into 5 other feeds. One feed that goes upstairs connects to the cable modem so that's where i connected the diplexer.

I was Spock two years ago at work and people were blown away by my shirt, pants, boots, phaser, tricorder, communicator, ears and spock wig (i'm bald). I also shaved my eyebrows and drew the rest of them in (and i can raise my eyebrows like Spock). And curse those older fools who didn't know who you were!!!!

My name of "Wryker" is actually one I made up over 30 years ago. I created the name myself (though pronounced like the Star Trek dude) when I played Dungeons and Dragons. Geek? - yes. But proud of it. SO in reality they 'stole' my name by having different letters. I am only a fan of TOS though. I hated that kid Will and after watching the first two episodes never watched that series again.
post #752 of 1141
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

If I'm correct, though, the level of internet available over the coax/cable lines in the house is dictated by the strength at the main line/MOCA hook-up. I don't use teh Actiontec set-up, I have Moto boxes that if I have a strong signal two lights remain 'on' (one is power, the other the signal strength). If one flashes (strength) that means i have a signal but not the strongest. On my MOCA box connected to the diplexer is, I get a flashing light. So even using the standard splitter downstairs i get a flashing light on that MOCA and get internet access.
Am I incorrect? Meaning, if i put a diplexer downstairs will the light stop flashing and remain 'on'? The main cable line comes to our house and into a box on the side of our house that splits up into 5 other feeds. One feed that goes upstairs connects to the cable modem so that's where i connected the diplexer.

This is sort-of confusing me.

When you talk about Moto boxes, you mean the old Motorola MoCA boxes?

If I understand - right now in room 1 you have:
-Cable modem
-Cable box
-MoCA box (on diplexer)

In room 2 you have:
-Cable box
-MoCA box (on splitter)

In that situation, you have (-3.5db(splitter) + -1db(diplexer))=-4.5db signal loss between the two MoCA boxes. If you change the splitter to a diplexer, there will be less loss between them (about -2db).

xnappo
post #753 of 1141
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

I was Spock two years ago at work and people were blown away by my shirt, pants, boots, phaser, tricorder, communicator, ears and spock wig (i'm bald). I also shaved my eyebrows and drew the rest of them in (and i can raise my eyebrows like Spock). And curse those older fools who didn't know who you were!!!!

My name of "Wryker" is actually one I made up over 30 years ago. I created the name myself (though pronounced like the Star Trek dude) when I played Dungeons and Dragons. Geek? - yes. But proud of it. SO in reality they 'stole' my name by having different letters. I am only a fan of TOS though. I hated that kid Will and after watching the first two episodes never watched that series again.

Of course, if you had been watching TV when TOS was new, its first two episodes aired were (1) the salt-sucking monster impersonating Bones' old girlfriend in "The Man Trap" and (2) the omnipotent teenager "Charlie X," two of Trek's worst episodes. You might never have watched it again.

It almost always takes a while for the actors and writers to flesh out their characters and their relationships. Hell, take a look at the Spock who served with Capt. Pike in "The Cage" (the rejected first pilot that was recycled into "The Menagerie") - Leonard Nimoy has been apologizing for that portrayal ever since, claiming that the cool Christopher Pike character didn't give him something to "play against" the way the hotter Jim Kirk did. ("As if" - as the kids would say.)

You don't like the kid (Wesley Crusher)? Check out "Where No One Has Gone Before" - hard-core elemental science-fiction:
Wesley: [you mean] that space, and time, and thought, aren't the separate things they appear to be? - I just thought the formula you were using said something like that.
The Traveler: Boy, don't ever say that again; especially not at your age and in a world that's not ready for such - dangerous nonsense.
(TNG 1st season).

If you want an episode that carries on Trek's tradition of social commentary, watch "The Arsenal of Freedom" (also 1st season) - with the ship and its away team fighting for their lives against an automated salesman trying to sell them weapons, long after it had wiped out everyone on its own planet and the surrounding system.

There were many more episodes that raise philosophical or political questions - like the second season episode, "The Measure of a Man" that poses the question of who has human rights. Is the android Data a person or simply a piece of hardware owned by Starfleet? In that episode, Picard is enlisted by Data to defend him in a court martial when he refuses to comply with an order from Starfleet to let his brain be disassembled for research.

And who can forget the flamboyant Lwaxana Troi (mother of Deanna Troi) - the polar opposite of Nurse Chapel - played in several episodes of TNG (and DS9 as well) by Majel Barret, who in addition to those two roles, provided the voice for all Starfleet computers in every Trek series, from TOS to Enterprise, and the movies. Her first - somewhat underplayed - appearance was in the rather poetic "Haven" (season 1) but she got more and more outrageous: see "Manhunt" (season 2) in which Picard has to learn how to hold off her amorous advances.

Not to omit the Borg - the cybernetically-enhanced race relentlessly turning all beings in its path into its own members, with a hive-mind, which assimilated Picard in a season-ending cliffhanger "The Best of Both Worlds, Part I" at the end of season 3 (concluded the following September), followed up in numerous episodes and ultimately in the movie First Contact which I consider the best Next Gen movie and in serious contention with The Wrath of Khan for best Trek movie overall.

You want disturbing? How about "Frames of Mind" (6th season) in which Riker finds himself in a mental hospital being treated for his delusion of being an officer on a starship. That one was worthy of The Twilight Zone.

To judge a series that lasted seven years by its initial episodes, before it has found its "space legs," is wrong. If you have an Amazon Prime membership, you can watch all of the Trek series (except the cartoon) for free. I like them all, even the much-villified Enterprise which was actually the one most like TOS. Check out "Terra Nova" from that series' first season - a poetic story of first contact with a lost colony that had fled underground many years before, after a meteor strike caused radioactivity to poison the rain, and had evolved to the point of not thinking of themselves as human, and in fact considering humans to be their enemies. That series, which was set decades before TOS, featured Vulcans who were not the reliable allies they later became, in part through that crew's role in Vulcan history.

The Trek universe is a vast banquet. Don't reject most of it because of a few bad episodes. I bet you could name quite a few stinkers from TOS - I know I can!
post #754 of 1141
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

This is sort-of confusing me.

When you talk about Moto boxes, you mean the old Motorola MoCA boxes?

If I understand - right now in room 1 you have:
-Cable modem
-Cable box
-MoCA box (on diplexer)

In room 2 you have:
-Cable box
-MoCA box (on splitter)

In that situation, you have (-3.5db(splitter) + -1db(diplexer))=-4.5db signal loss between the two MoCA boxes. If you change the splitter to a diplexer, there will be less loss between them (about -2db).

xnappo

My apologies for confusing this thread with a non-Actiontec box. Yes, these are old Motorola MOCA/Cable boxes that have an ethernet port.
In room 1 I have:
- HDTivo (cable box) (on splitter from diplexer)
- MoCA box (on diplexer)
- Cable modem (on splitter from diplexer)

In room 2 I have:
-HD Tivo (cable box) (on splitter)
- MoCA box (on splitter)

so if i put a diplexer in room 2 I will get better strength?: how will I measure/see this? I get cable fine and the internet works for what's needed: connect the Tivo, PS3, Wii, HDDVD player and Slingbox to a 'wired' internet.

Thanks again!

ps - to Philnick: I'll refrain from posting more on Star Trek so as not to 'hijack' this thread for something other than what's it aimed at. My final word is that I do give shows several episodes to give it a chance unless there's just something I can't get by and in that case; the kid Wil in that series was such an annoying character to me and he was a main character I just could not deal with him thus no more watching. I gave Enterprise a shot for a while but found it just too boring and since I already waste too much of my time watching TV I'm choosy on how I spend my time (need more time to kill mutants in House of the Dead: Overkill).
post #755 of 1141
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

so if i put a diplexer in room 2 I will get better strength?: how will I measure/see this? I get cable fine and the internet works for what's needed: connect the Tivo, PS3, Wii, HDDVD player and Slingbox to a 'wired' internet.

Thanks again!

No worries on the confusion - I think I knew at one point you were using the Motorola MoCA boxes and forgot.

Yes, both the cable box and MoCA connection will see better strength if you change room 2 to a diplexer. The only way to measure it would be the transfer speed on the MoCA, and by going into the diagnostics of the cable box (which varies depending on model).

You might not need to do this! You will have better strength if you do, but if it is working fine (good speeds, no picture breakup on the cable box), get back to House of the Dead

xnappo
post #756 of 1141
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

Are you using diplexers to connect the MOCA boxes to the line? That way, all the high frequencies that MOCA uses go out the "satellite" jack to the MOCA box while the lower frequencies go to the other video/internet/telephone devices. Diplexers look just like regular splitters except that one of the jacks is labeled "Sat" or "Satellite."

If you connect the MOCA boxes through splitters that aren't diplexers, the MOCA signal gets divided between the two branches, throwing away half of the MOCA signal by sending it to devices that don't need it.

I didn't even know about diplexers! Thanks!

I will swap out the splitters that I have on there now!
post #757 of 1141
Does anyone have a source for MoCa diplexers that split at 1000Mhz? I found a couple but neither seem to sell to the public and haven't responded to my inquiries:

http://www.soontai.com/MoCA-dpx.htm
Model DPX1A-1002/1125-1525

and

http://www.microphase.com/Product%20...Networking.pdf
Model C5269

All the satellite splitters split around 850Mhz or so... A 950Mhz diplexer might be sufficient, like the OP mentions. Anybody got a link? (I haven't read the whole thread yet...)

I have a couple MI424WRs and I can easily run them at 1500Mhz and not degrade my cable signal at all if I can just get my hands on a few diplexers meant for this...


I'm also looking for a source for GOOD splitters that run above 1000Mhz. Soldered backs, low, documented loss...and preferably something that looks like a cable installer might use it so they don't rip them out on every service call. I know 1Ghz splitters will work with MoCa, but if I can get a little stronger signal and higher throughput with better splitters I'll take it.


BTW, I had problems with my cable modem after connecting the MI424WRs. You need to put a MoCa filter (low-pass) on the cable modem. The signals out of the MI424s is strong and can overload a cable modem. I got a couple Antronix GLF-1002 filters off E-bay for cheap. One for the line coming into the house to prevent the MoCa signal from leaving the house, the other on the cable modem. Interesting note - some newer cable modems (like the Motorola SB6121) have just such a low-pass filter built in to prevent this problem.
post #758 of 1141
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Originally Posted by Saturn49 View Post

Does anyone have a source for MoCa diplexers that split at 1000Mhz? I found a couple but neither seem to sell to the public and haven't responded to my inquiries:
. . .


BTW, I had problems with my cable modem after connecting the MI424WRs. You need to put a MoCa filter (low-pass) on the cable modem. The signals out of the MI424s is strong and can overload a cable modem. I got a couple Antronix GLF-1002 filters off E-bay for cheap. One for the line coming into the house to prevent the MoCa signal from leaving the house, the other on the cable modem. Interesting note - some newer cable modems (like the Motorola SB6121) have just such a low-pass filter built in to prevent this problem.

I used a pair of these ultra-cheap RCA diplexers that I got through Amazon for under a dollar each:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...00_i00_details

I had no problem at all with my cable modem. My MoCa boxes are a pair of second-hand Verizon FIOS boxes that are rebranded Actiontec MI424WRs.

There shouldn't be any need to put a filter on the cable modem if you're using a diplexer - the whole point of a diplexer is to act as a crossover network like in a high-fi speaker, sending the low-band signal out the normal jack (then split between the cable box and the cable modem) and the high-band signal out the satellite jack to the MoCa box.

I suspect you're only having to do this because you're running not with diplexers but with splitters.

Since the MI424WRs have encryption built-in for the coax link, there hardly seems any need to put a filter on the input to the first splitter (that joins the MoCa locations) to keep the MoCa signal from going out to the street - unless you think that the cable company will be upset to see a signal over 1ghz on its line - which assumes that such a signal can even pass upstream over a splitter!
post #759 of 1141
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

I used a pair of these ultra-cheap RCA diplexers that I got through Amazon for under a dollar each:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...00_i00_details

Those are only rated down to 40Mhz and probably split around 860Mhz. It might work but I'm looking for something rated down to 5Mhz and split at 1000Mhz. I don't know if cable companies are using frequencies > 850Mhz, but I wouldn't doubt it if they start to soon.

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I had no problem at all with my cable modem. My MoCa boxes are a pair of second-hand Verizon FIOS boxes that are rebranded Actiontec MI424WRs.

There shouldn't be any need to put a filter on the cable modem if you're using a diplexer

You're assuming the MI-424 is hooked up to the same port as the cable modem, which isn't necessarily the case. It is probably common, but wasn't the case for me. But you're right, if you're using a diplexer and the cable modem is behind the low side of the diplexer, there's no need for the low pass filter. There's an instance in this thread where someone hooked up a cable modem to the cable out port of an ECB (not MI-424) and had trouble with the cable modem. Theoretically the ECB has a diplexer in it, but it didn't work for at least one person.


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Since the MI424WRs have encryption built-in for the coax link, there hardly seems any need to put a filter on the input to the first splitter (that joins the MoCa locations) to keep the MoCa signal from going out to the street - unless you think that the cable company will be upset to see a signal over 1ghz on its line - which assumes that such a signal can even pass upstream over a splitter!

The theory is that a Point of Entry filter reflects the MoCa signal back into the house strengthening it. I didn't experience that but I also suspect the cable company CAN see a signal > 1ghz leaking onto its line, provided they are looking for it (engineer truck, not your typical service tech.)
post #760 of 1141
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Originally Posted by Saturn49 View Post

I also suspect the cable company CAN see a signal > 1ghz leaking onto its line, provided they are looking for it (engineer truck, not your typical service tech.)

At under a dollar each, why not just use another diplexer to connect out to the street? Attach the line from from the street to the normal output of the diplexer, and attach the input of the diplexer to the input to your whole system. Leave the "Sat" jack unconnected - or even terminate it with a 75 ohm resistor!

Assuming that the normal cable signals can pass through the diplexer in both directions, you'll get normal cable service while bleeding off most of the outbound MoCa signal this way so that very little gets out to the street.

Here's a precedent for using connections backwards:

"There's still some juice in the LEM's batteries, right? Maybe we can sneak a bit of that to help power up the command module." [Apollo 13 loose paraphrase]
post #761 of 1141
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

At under a dollar each, why not just use another diplexer to connect out to the street? Attach the line from from the street to the normal output of the diplexer, and attach the input of the diplexer to the input to your whole system. Leave the "Sat" jack unconnected - or even terminate it with a 75 ohm resistor!

Assuming that the normal cable signals can pass through the diplexer in both directions, you'll get normal cable service while bleeding off most of the outbound MoCa signal this way so that very little gets out to the street.

Here's a precedent for using connections backwards:

"There's still some juice in the LEM's batteries, right? Maybe we can sneak a bit of that to help power up the command module." [Apollo 13 loose paraphrase]

I'm more of a right-tool-for-the-job kind of guy.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Antronix...item2a1594c4be

No, it isn't a dollar (plus $4.85 shipping), but it isn't going to filter out 5-40Mhz either.

Plus, at least around here, TWC insists on examining the main cable splitter for the house on every service call. Even if they're just there to "install" a Tuning Adapter. It will be hard enough explaining a MoCa filter, much less a diplexer that is only being half used.
post #762 of 1141
I found this little tidbit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_A...on_frequencies

"With the addition of services such as premium HD content, cable providers such as Cox Communications and Insight Communications have begun to roll out digital cable services which use frequencies up to 1Ghz (analog channel 158), while also dropping the analog channel formats."

No citation, but clearly cable companies are expecting to be able to utilize frequencies up to 1Ghz.

And Cable Modems use frequencies 5-42Mhz for upstream. They only use 85-860 MHz for downstream though. So a good satellite diplexer might be ok for a MI-424 next to a cable modem but might not be so good next to a DVR.

It is very frustrating to know the proper diplexers exist but nobody sells them to consumers.
post #763 of 1141
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Originally Posted by Saturn49 View Post

I found this little tidbit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_A...on_frequencies

"With the addition of services such as premium HD content, cable providers such as Cox Communications and Insight Communications have begun to roll out digital cable services which use frequencies up to 1Ghz (analog channel 158), while also dropping the analog channel formats."

No citation, but clearly cable companies are expecting to be able to utilize frequencies up to 1Ghz.

And Cable Modems use frequencies 5-42Mhz for upstream. They only use 85-860 MHz for downstream though. So a good satellite diplexer might be ok for a MI-424 next to a cable modem but might not be so good next to a DVR.

It is very frustrating to know the proper diplexers exist but nobody sells them to consumers.

I depends on the area you are in. I am on TWC, and they are handling the bandwidth issue with SDV instead of increased band use. Increased band use is very expensive for the cable cos. The 950Mhz in the OP is a typo will fix that.

Honestly, if you are that worried about being future proof and just trying to fix your cable modem signal, get some normal spltters and just buy this puppy:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...00_i00_details

That isn't your typical 1985 piece of junk RS amplifier - it is a solid bi-directional amp that with make your upsteam and downstream devices quite happy. If you know how to check your signal levels at your DVR, you might want to make sure it will not amplify TOO much, but that is doubtful.

xnappo

P.S. The MoCA signal will not make it through that AMP, so two birds, one stone.
post #764 of 1141
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

I depends on the area you are in. I am on TWC, and they are handling the bandwidth issue with SDV instead of increased band use. Increased band use is very expensive for the cable cos. The 950Mhz in the OP is a typo will fix that.

Honestly, if you are that worried about being future proof and just trying to fix your cable modem signal, get some normal spltters and just buy this puppy:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...00_i00_details

I may be over-engineering it, but I know that when I reduced the number of splitters and splits to the bare minimum, my MoCa speeds increased, so it is more than just the cable signal strength I'm worried about.
post #765 of 1141
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Originally Posted by Saturn49 View Post

I may be over-engineering it, but I know that when I reduced the number of splitters and splits to the bare minimum, my MoCa speeds increased, so it is more than just the cable signal strength I'm worried about.

Then yeah, you need the diplexers... And if your cable system does go over 850Mhz, then hopefully by the time they do, 0-950mhz/1050mhz-2ghz diplexers will be more available...

xnappo
post #766 of 1141
It got 3 Holland DPD2 diplexers off of ebay for $10.47 including shipping. So far, I've installed one of them in my media room where I have a Comcast HD DVR and a PC connected to an MI424WR. Everything seems to work fine, including On Demand, cable channels, and the Internet connection on the PC (getting about 25 Mbps Down, 4 Mbps Up).

Next I'll install a diplexer in my office where the cable modem and "main" MI424WR are. Finally, I'll put the last one in my bedroom where I have another Comcast HD DVR and Westell 9100EM with an Internet connected Blu-Ray player.

I used to have normal splitters but decided to go with diplexers to lessen the signal loss, in case I want to add more devices. Hopefully, I won't have any problems. Gonna add a MOCA POE filter at the first splitter in my house soon too.

Tom
post #767 of 1141
I'm wondering if anyone has a lead on power supplies for the Rev E? It's model number STD-10016U and is 10VDC/1.6A. I can't seem to find them on ebay or anywhere. Thanks for any help!

edit: n/m Found some on Amazon marketplace
post #768 of 1141
Good afternoon
We currently have 2 Netgear MoCA boxes that have been working very nicely for a year and a half.

The time has finally come to expand our MoCA network.
I'm going to pick up another pair of the Netgear boxes. I was wondering if there is any other configuring that needs to be done, other than just connecting them to a coax outlet? Unsure of how to add more boxes.

Another question. *Should* there be any issue of adding a wireless router after the MoCA (new addition) or do I need to stick with just a switch?

Really appreciate the help.

Skid
post #769 of 1141
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Another question. *Should* there be any issue of adding a wireless router after the MoCA (new addition) or do I need to stick with just a switch?

A WAP (wireless access point) is no problem. A wireless router, however, would require careful configuration. You don't really want/need two routers on the same home network.

You can buy preconfigured WAPs, though they usually cost more than a router. Or you can buy a router and install third-party firmware like dd-wrt that will let you reconfigure it into a WAP.
post #770 of 1141
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Originally Posted by ScottJ View Post

A WAP (wireless access point) is no problem. A wireless router, however, would require careful configuration. You don't really want/need two routers on the same home network.

You can buy preconfigured WAPs, though they usually cost more than a router. Or you can buy a router and install third-party firmware like dd-wrt that will let you reconfigure it into a WAP.

Scott,
Thanks for the router/WAP help. I appreciate it.
Any idea on the first question?

Thanks,
Skid
post #771 of 1141
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Originally Posted by Skid71 View Post

Scott,
Thanks for the router/WAP help. I appreciate it.
Any idea on the first question?

Thanks,
Skid

Should just work. At least on the Actiontecs, once configured as a MoCA bridge (which is what yours are by default) they just work.

I have 4 in service now...

xnappo
post #772 of 1141
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Should just work. At least on the Actiontecs, once configured as a MoCA bridge (which is what yours are by default) they just work.

I have 4 in service now...

xnappo

Excellent news xnappo! Thanks for your reply. Very glad I happened upon this thread so long ago.

Skid
post #773 of 1141
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Originally Posted by ScottJ View Post

A WAP (wireless access point) is no problem. A wireless router, however, would require careful configuration. You don't really want/need two routers on the same home network.

You can buy preconfigured WAPs, though they usually cost more than a router. Or you can buy a router and install third-party firmware like dd-wrt that will let you reconfigure it into a WAP.

For what its worth, each of my 4 Actiontecs have wireless enabled. Same SSID and channel. Windows devices move seamlessly between the APs...
post #774 of 1141
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For what its worth, each of my 4 Actiontecs have wireless enabled. Same SSID and channel. Windows devices move seamlessly between the APs...

One of the advantages of the Actiontecs is that they fold a WiFi b/g router into the same box as the MoCa link. Once you've turned off their own DHCP servers to make them into bridges on your network - as xnappo instructs at the top of this thread - you have four ethernet jacks and a WiFi access point available at each location if you skip xnappo's advice to disable the WiFi access point.

The wifi access point can have the same SSID or a different one from the main access point - that's purely a matter of taste. Personally, I've given them different names so I know which one I've connected to - so I can be sure to use the nearest one. If I was sure that if they all had the same name my devices would connect to the strongest one, I'd give them all the same name. (A side benefit of giving them different SSIDs is that it makes it easier to know which one I've logged into when doing configuration.)

PS I used dd-wrt to turn an old Linksys wifi router into a wireless client bridge, giving me 4 ethernet jacks at a location with strong wifi for devices that don't have wifi.

It's not for the faint of heart, as the wiki is a work-in-progress that warns that its own recommendation engine picks bad versions of the firmware to download and install. Be prepared to spend several hours poking around and cross-referencing pages that have not been updated for a few years to decide which files to use.

I got lucky, but I have to admit having crossed my fingers while doing the actual flashing, as there are also dire warnings there about bricking the device by using the wrong version for your particular unit - and there are scads of devices and firmware versions.
post #775 of 1141
Ok, I've experimentally given the wireless access points in my two Verizon FiOs Actiontecs the same SSID as my main Linksys WiFi router - PROfi ("PRO" are my initials).

They're all set to channel 6. All are using WPA2.

This will be an interesting experiment.
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I have my router and MoCA-connected WAPs (MI424WR and Westell 9100EM) on the same SSID but different channels (1, 6, and 11). My wireless devices roam between them, picking up the strongest signal (ideally). I didn't think it was recommended to put more than one WAP on the same channel.
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Originally Posted by plomaris View Post

I have my router and MoCA-connected WAPs (MI424WR and Westell 9100EM) on the same SSID but different channels (1, 6, and 11). My wireless devices roam between them, picking up the strongest signal (ideally). I didn't think it was recommended to put more than one WAP on the same channel.

I've decided to bracket the WAPs, on channels 5 and 6 upstairs and 7 downstairs. That avoids the problem, while only requiring sliding over one or two channels to reconnect.

One advantage of using the same SSID and password is that my phone isn't always fighting my manual choice of WAP, trying to connect to the last WAP I used when I change locations!
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Originally Posted by Philnick View Post

I've decided to bracket the WAPs, on channels 5 and 6 upstairs and 7 downstairs. That avoids the problem, while only requiring sliding over one or two channels to reconnect.

One advantage of using the same SSID and password is that my phone isn't always fighting my manual choice of WAP, trying to connect to the last WAP I used when I change locations!

Except channel 5,6 and 7 interfere with each other. Don't ask me why, but if you want non-overlapping frequencies you need to use 1,6, and 11.
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Except channel 5,6 and 7 interfere with each other. Don't ask me why, but if you want non-overlapping frequencies you need to use 1,6, and 11.

Since mine are not the only strong access points nearby, should I just set all three of them to auto select a free frequency?
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Actually, I was only able to set the Actiontecs to auto channel select. My old Linksys requires me to pick a channel. I'll do a Wifi survey and pick one at the top or bottom that's not in use.
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