Star Trek: The Original Motion Picture Collection comparison *PIX* + reviews - Page 40

DNR and all, the ST TMP BR still blows away the DVD. The colors and contrasts are terrific -- there's simply too much DNR on it. For a die hard fan IMO they're still worth a purchase but obviously they could be much better.

Not quite,you have to crank the contrast also.

Art

How could I forget? How else can you bring out all the DEEEETALE!

I have hope, however misplaced it may be, that Paramount will unleash remastered (unfiltered) Blu-rays for the next film release in 2013. They have to do something different if they expect to have all 12 Star Trek films available for the next format (4K). Don't they?

Wrath of Khan was the only one that looked like film as it was a new scan. The rest looked extremely processed. A couple of them (such as 4?) looked absolutely awful.

Don't kid yourself. It's also heavy pancake makeup.

These releases were poor, but not close to the worst. Still miles better than the DVD.

My guess is we will see the Director's Cuts at least appear next year, but hard to say if they are just from 2K masters or not.

And inferior to the older, now ancient 1080i HD cable broadcasts, which are low bitrate compared to a DVD. Shouldn't be possible for Broadcast HD to have more detail vs BluRay.

I think the time and effort we're seeing on the NEXT GENERATION series bodes well for future restoration efforts on the original TREK films.

Not the same company at all.
Paramount are still releasing BC titles with DNR.

TMP was a newer transfer as well.

Space is actually *black* in it. Not dark grey like the other transfers.

There's DNR.

There's also tons of makeup. You could see it in the theater.

Yes, because they crushed contrast resulting in plenty of clipping on both ends of the scale, never mind the loss of shadow detail and any subtlety in the color/contrast. Punchy, yes; improved or better absolutely not.


No one denies the actors had make-up on them but it is the absurd usage of DNR, not the make-up, that resulted in the wax statue qualities exhibited in these rubbish transfers.

As others have mentioned the only one that looks decent is Khan but that has a different color timing, for better or worse. TNG films do not suffer as much from the DNR but they are still impacted as well, I can only stand to watch First Contact yet it to has evident DNR.

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KvE

TMP transfer was acceptable it was nowhere near as bad as 4 or 6.

TMP audio kicked absolute arse though.

6 looks more detailed on the SE DVD. Enough said.

Couldn't agree more. One of my favorite soundtracks and it just sounds fantastic here.

Noise is not detail.

The DNR is also inconsistent, some scenes have little to severe.

Unfortunately, it doesn't. Both the Original Series and Next Generation series are owned and are being restored by CBS Films. Paramount merely distributes those shows for CBS.

On the other hand, Paramount itself owns the movie franchise. CBS has no control over that.

If the movies are to be remastered or restored, Paramount has to do it.

People really need to get that point, Paramount are just as DNR happy as Universal.
CBS are amazing so far.

The DNR on Treks 4 and 6 is horrific and disgraceful and, as it has been shown all over the internet, those noise reduced BD's look inferior to the low bitrate MPEG2 broadcasts from years ago.

Seriously

They are the worst out there by far.

The Longest Day's atrocious BD holds that title IMO, but they're not far off. And don't forget Insurrection; I know it's one of the poorer Trek movies but nothing deserves to be wrecked like that with such heavy handed DNR.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I would happily pay full price to buy unmolested transfers of all the Trek movies. They don't even have to be new transfers, as the movies looked very respectable in the untouched clips used in those 'Captain's Table' bonus discs. Paramount, my money is waiting.

I say Predator trumps day, and ST6 trumps them all.

I haven't seen Predator UHE with my own eyes, and I hope I never will.

Ahem... does anyone know the answer?

The BDs are so awful that I'd like to try to get better recordings from TV.

Do we have a "Hall of Shame" thread on the forum ? On it we could list, in order, the worst efforts by studios.

Art

You stand alone in your opinion.

Seriously.


Unfortunately, HBO now shows the DNR'd transfers for all the films. The last time I saw the unmolested TREK VI on cable was four or five years ago.

As far as paramount is concerned we are all the minority here. They will receive FAR more complaints if they released these films without any DNR from the general grain hating public. These were mostly VERY grainy films in the theater. Unfortunately when it came to sci-fi in the 80's and 90's studios had a very low budget and us fans took what we could get.

No they wouldn't. The "general grain hating public" doesn't walk out of theaters demanding refunds and complaining about grain. They don't watch grainy cable or Blu-Ray movies at home and call or email anyone to complain. They generally just don't notice it one way or the other.

And that's the sad part. The average person couldn't care less if a movie is grainy or slathered in waxy DNR. So releasing a properly transfered film on Blu-Ray with grain and detail intact doesn't impact anyone negatively. Its only the film buffs that care about video quality that get hit in the face with the DNR versions of films.

I'm very happy to see this thread get bumped.

The Star Trek movies are some of the most conspicuously terrible-looking catalog titles on blu-ray. The prospect of them cheaping out and never doing actual good transfers is a depressing one.

They'll obviously do another release of the movies.

For one thing, the longer cuts of Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country weren't included the first time, nor was an HD re-render of the TMP director's edition. For that reason alone, we'll see new blu-rays at some point.

The other thing is that here in the States we only have individual releases of 2, 4, 6 and 8. Yeah, there's that trilogy pack of 2, 3 and 4, but if you want 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 or 10 individually you need to go import or get them second hand.

So, I'm hoping Paramount takes this opportunity to acknowledge the glaring shortcomings of these transfers. Khan looks good, thanks to an actual remaster (no, the color doesn't bother me). Nemesis looks fine as well. Really, it's only eight of the ten movies that need new transfers and - as we've pointed out again and again - Paramount appears to already have decent-looking transfers for several of the films, they simply decided to make them look worse for the blu-ray!

Whoever's in charge of Paramount's home video division should be directed to the first page of this thread.

I really don't want November of 2013 to arrive with a pristine transfer of JJ Abrams' sequel and still leave us waiting for proper transfers of the older movies.