HDMI 1.4 specs

Just wait and see, the natives will now go crazy and everyone will have to buy a 1.4 HDMI cable to make everything work correctly, ha!!!!!

I don't know. I don't see anything that indicates a change in the existing pin count, so I would presume that existing cabling configurations would work, depending on the existing cable's bandwidth capabilities. Changing the connector for a change in pinout/pin-count would be a compatability nightmare, I just cannot forsee that happening at all.

But without hard information, it's kind of speculative.

I see that, but given that HDMI *is* a twisted pair cable, this doesn't make much sense, and seems like the author didn't know that. In other words, that statement seems to be implying that there is a change to twisted pair from some other cabling structure which they do not specify. But HDMI is a twisted pair cable, so I don't understand why they imply any change. Without the addition of new pins at the connector which I just don't see happening, then I don't see anything conclusive about a change in the physical cable or physical connector which that would require.

The only indication is the introduction of a new smaller form HDMI connector I assume like a mini-USB connector for portable devices, but I don't see anything conclusive about an overall physical re-vamping of HDMI cabling or existing connectors besides author assumptions from what seems like fairly skimpy information.

hoe delightful. yet another reason to have to buy all new gear. id like to tell them what they can do with their new fangled dongle!

I'm sure Monster cable will soon release an HDMI 1.4 cable entitled, Monster's Magnanimous Ultra Super Fast Bandwidth HDMI cable with optional brain tonic which will cost the equivalent of home mortgage payment.

Bingo!

That's very disappointing. So we could have a higher resolution picture, but only at half the frame rate of current video (60fps)

It's such a shame that in a future standard they couldn't give us equal or better frame rates than we have now.

As the BBC correctly says, increasing the spatial resolution and display sizes only makes low frame rates much more obvious. The BBC say if the spatial resolution of TV increases, they should increase the frame rate to maintain the balance between static and dynamic resolution. Yet they've done the exact opposite and halved the frame rate!

Imagine the strobing effects you'll see on a 4K TV at such low frame rates.

I wonder if they will transmit interlaced video at their resolution to give higher field rates? eg. 4K 30i. Yet we have progressive displays and that halves the spatial resolution per refresh, and will lead to artefacts. Current TVs can easily accept 1080p60. I think it's a really bad idea to halve the progressive frame rate even when (especially when) you're increasing the spatial resolution.

Here's a revolutionary idea for HDMI 2.0: COAX!!!

LOL - I think they should use fiber or Cat5e. I've always said they should use an existing high bandwidth, cheap cable, wiht a more solid connector end.

I wouldn't say the majority of TV shows. Fictional US TV shows maybe. But the bigger and higher res your screen is, and the higher res the production is made at, the much worse it will look on TV. Consumers weren't talking as much about "judder" or "strobing" with smaller CRT & SD DVD, but with newer higher res screens and players it looks much worse/more obvious. It will look even worse for 4K, assuming the production is actually 4K and not filtered or soft focused so the resolution is less.


I was told by someone on the AVS forum on the "when will the start filming at 60fps" thread that it isn't judder (the effects of the 24fps frame rate and film camera shutter) and that he said the correct word was strobing. I think he/others said judder should only be used for uneven movement like that caused by 3:2 pull-down.

HDMI 1.4 is a let down and I'll be less likely to upgrade to a 4K display if it's only half the frame rate of current displays and will show more strobing/other frame artefacts. Though I'm guessing the standard will allow interlacing, though we shouldn't need interlacing for new standards And that will mean de-interlacing of a 4K 30i or 25i source (or up-converting a 1080 30i or 25i source to 4K) can't be done by players (since it can't output 4K at 50/60p).

I don't think the 4K@30 is for a 4K display. It's for doing 1080p60 3D. The 3D effect is done with 2 different (phased?) frames that the glasses need to create the effect. Consumer 4K displays are much farther down the timeline than HD 3D.

larry

"Automatic Content Enhancement (ACE) adds several new features such as support for 4096x2160@30Hz, support for future 3D video standards, and the ability to automatically optimize the TV's picture settings based on content type"

I'm sure the 4096x2160@30hz standard must be a different thing than the 3D standard since 4K is about 4x 1080p resolution (4096x2160 is 4.26 times the res). Yet for stereoscopic 3D you'd only need 2x (ie. 2x 1920x1080 streams). I would think their 3D standard would send them as 2x 1080p streams rather than as one big picture.

I think you're right that 4K consumer displays will take longer, though they have been demonstrating them at shows for a few years.

I was just guessing. I didn't think 4K was going to change the "standard" 16x9 we have now. I guess they'll need something to drive 4K displays even when they are only selling a handful (so to speak) in the next few years or so. Heck, HDTVs aren't a majority yet!

larry

Here's the James Cameron article and quotes:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117983864.html
James Cameron Quotes:




Though in the article linked above he uses both "judder" and "strobing" to describe the effects.
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In the broadcast article you linked to it mentions strobing too.
http://broadcastengineering.com/hdtv...udder-problem/

Yeah, but one could have said the same thing 30 years ago.

What's HDMI-1.4 have to do with 3D?

With the insane plethora of hi-def 3D movies cramming the store shelves, and the abundance of hi-def 3D video content on the Web, I am SO psychhed about the upcoming 1.4 HDMI gear!!!

It'll allow higher bandwidth, for things other than 3D, probably higher frame rates in full HD or better (maybe 1080p120?) - though not 4K at high frame rates . Probably higher colour depths and more too like networking.

Will it be backward compatible with earlier HDMI standards? Will an HDMI switch still be able to switch a 3D video stream? Any more word on pin/plug compatibility?

The intent is always to be backward compatible except, of course, for new features. If the new supported resolution(s) don't exceed the 1.3 max bandwidth requirements, then a current switch should work. The switches don't interpret data formats.

larry

Do we have ETA for the newest standard?