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Any ideas why my green glue setup didn't work?

post #1 of 25
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Today's been the 26th day since I applied my green glue drywall and I haven't noticed ANY difference.

Just to give you some brief details, I share 1 common wall with a neighbor who plays the drums. I didn't think the green glue would completely eliminate the noise, but I thought it would at least improve it a LITTLE bit, and it hasn't. One issue might be that I have crown molding on my walls but when I talked to the CSR's at soundisolationstore.com, they told me that if I put the green glue wall up without taking off the crown molding, sound isolation might suffer a little bit, but it should still be an improvement.

Also, I know flanking might be an issue, but when the drums are playing, I can put my hand up on the green glue wall and I can feel it vibrate. Also, when I slap the wall it doesn't sound 'solid'.... It still sounds just as hollow as it did before the green glue. I'm not sure what I did wrong, but if any of you can come up with any ideas, I'd be all ears. Thanks.
post #2 of 25
Did you decouple the drywall from the studs?

Fill the space between the studs with insulation?
post #3 of 25
Thread Starter 
Hmm, on the application instructions it said I could just screw the green glue wall into the studs. I didn't fill anything because this was just upgrading an existing wall.
post #4 of 25
So, you just added a second layer of drywall with GreenGlue on it to the existing right? If you didn't take off the crown molding then where did you stop the second layer of drywall at? Did you take off the base molding? How much GreenGlue (# of tubes) did you apply to each sheet?
post #5 of 25
If the stud bays are hollow (no insulation) it can act like a drum and amplify the sounds.

Ideally, you want to decouple both drywall layers from the studs if you can (with the green glue between the layers). This will help keep the vibrations from transferring directly from the studs through the drywall. The green glue helps dampen things further.

http://www.soundproofingcompany.com/...or_noise_walls
post #6 of 25
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Originally Posted by bluesfan View Post

So, you just added a second layer of drywall with GreenGlue on it to the existing right? If you didn't take off the crown molding then where did you stop the second layer of drywall at? Did you take off the base molding? How much GreenGlue (# of tubes) did you apply to each sheet?

The green glue layer I put up goes from each edge of the crown molding. I was advised by the CSR that if I was putting it onto a crown molding that I should apply the green glue as close to the edges as possible of my new drywall. He reasoned that that would be similar to a normal green glue install with the 3-inch border. I ended up putting in about 88sqft of drywall, and I used 8 tubes for it.
post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by jamis View Post

If the stud bays are hollow (no insulation) it can act like a drum and amplify the sounds.

Ideally, you want to decouple both drywall layers from the studs if you can (with the green glue between the layers). This will help keep the vibrations from transferring directly from the studs through the drywall. The green glue helps dampen things further.

http://www.soundproofingcompany.com/...or_noise_walls

Right, I already understood that the single drywall setup I had there existing was not doing a very good job of blocking out the noise, and that's why I thought putting a green glue drywall layer on top of that should help. But it hasn't improved things a bit.
post #8 of 25
I'm sure your vendor was pleased to accept your money. This is a building supply house with, I suspect, little to no actual credentials in the science behind sound isolation. Perhaps a good place for materials...but; not necessarily your best place for advice.

You have two large flanking paths which were not addressed ... the floor and it's common structure between units, and the ceiling.

A question: What did you do with HVAC vents, outlets, and light switches on the wall you upgraded with Green Glue?
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

I'm sure your vendor was pleased to accept your money. This is a building supply house with, I suspect, little to no actual credentials in the science behind sound isolation. Perhaps a good place for materials...but; not necessarily your best place for advice.

You have two large flanking paths which were not addressed ... the floor and it's common structure between units, and the ceiling.

A question: What did you do with HVAC vents, outlets, and light switches on the wall you upgraded with Green Glue?

There were no vents or light switches on that wall, only 1 outlet, which I sealed with acoustical caulk. I also sealed the edges of the green-glue'd wall with that caulk as well.
post #10 of 25
Acoustical caulk doesn't do much for that hole. None-the-less, your problem is not going to be solved by the wall. There is vibrational energy in the structure flanking to the floor, ceiling, and other walls.

If the wall is vibrating, and you installed the correct amount of green glue, it is working, the problem is that wall was only a part of the solution. It's unfortunate the expectations given you by the vendor didn't meet reality.
post #11 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

I'm sure your vendor was pleased to accept your money. This is a building supply house with, I suspect, little to no actual credentials in the science behind sound isolation. Perhaps a good place for materials...but; not necessarily your best place for advice.

You have two large flanking paths which were not addressed ... the floor and it's common structure between units, and the ceiling.

A question: What did you do with HVAC vents, outlets, and light switches on the wall you upgraded with Green Glue?

Oh also I understood that there would probably be some flanking (i wasn't expecting a miracle), but I DID expect that at least the vibrations on the wall would be decreased... which it doesn't seem to be. So I'm wondering if I just did something incorrectly.
post #12 of 25
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I DID expect that at least the vibrations on the wall would be decreased... which it doesn't seem to be. So I'm wondering if I just did something incorrectly.

Part one of the problem is you didn't measure the before so you cannot tell if there is any improvement in the after. I have no doubt the green glue is doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing. Part two is the advice you were given was faulty at worst and incomplete at best.

Very, very few places that sell sound isolation materials have a clue about sound isolation. It is non-intuitive and complex. The places which can afford to have the knowledge base on staff are far and few between. Ted (www.soundproofingcompany.com) is one of those with the knowedge base.
post #13 of 25
Thread Starter 
Also, as a follow up question, is it possible that the green glue just hasn't cured all the way? or should i definitely have heard some improvement by now?
post #14 of 25
It may not be fully cured, but cured enough to be providing benefit. You need a fully engineered solution (which may turn out to be expensive) or a heart to heart with your neighbor.
post #15 of 25
What thickness drywall did you use?

Because with removing the crown molding, a second layer of 5/8" should have garnered a decent improvment I would of thought.

I mean, I have done just two layers of drywall only in many theaters and it's always been a decent improvemet overall, all on it's own.
post #16 of 25
lets also not look past the elephant in the room. someone who installs a second layer of drywall between the existing baseboard and crown, has a significant lack of home building/repairing knowledge and is unlikely to *properly* apply and use any of the available decoupling impliments.

no offense op, but chalk this up as a learning experience. it is likely you wont be able to get your solution unless your neighboor agrees to let you rip into his side of the wall too.

take home message is dont share walls with people, its always cheaper to move out than to soundproof!
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by longtimelurker View Post

lets also not look past the elephant in the room. someone who installs a second layer of drywall between the existing baseboard and crown, has a significant lack of home building/repairing knowledge and is unlikely to *properly* apply and use any of the available decoupling impliments.

no offense op, but chalk this up as a learning experience. it is likely you wont be able to get your solution unless your neighboor agrees to let you rip into his side of the wall too.

take home message is dont share walls with people, its always cheaper to move out than to soundproof!

This wasn't an issue about home-building/repairing knowledge - cost was the biggest issue with this whole thing... taking down the crown molding + tearing down my existing wall and decoupling would have been cost-prohibitive. Like I said earlier, I didn't expect a total elimination of noise, but I did expect some bang for my buck. I know this forum is filled with audiophiles who prefer total sound isolation, but all I was looking for was an improvement.
post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by JOHNnDENVER View Post

What thickness drywall did you use?

Because with removing the crown molding, a second layer of 5/8" should have garnered a decent improvment I would of thought.

I mean, I have done just two layers of drywall only in many theaters and it's always been a decent improvemet overall, all on it's own.

I used 5/8" drywall, but I didn't remove the molding. Would that really have made the difference between the wall eliminating noise and not eliminating any noise?
post #19 of 25
Sorry, but I don't have any helpful advice. But I just wonder what goes on in the minds of people who live in such close quarters to their neighbors that it's okay to play their music/tv so loud. And drums...seriously??

Ever thought about taking up the tuba?
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by eskay View Post

Sorry, but I don't have any helpful advice. But I just wonder what goes on in the minds of people who live in such close quarters to their neighbors that it's okay to play their music/tv so loud. And drums...seriously??

Ever thought about taking up the tuba?

It isn't just that people lack the common sense to realize you're not supposed to bother your neighbors, but that once you bring it to their attention, they realize they're doing it, but feel they have every right in the world to do so. Those people should just be executed.
post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by malgorium View Post

It isn't just that people lack the common sense to realize you're not supposed to bother your neighbors, but that once you bring it to their attention, they realize they're doing it, but feel they have every right in the world to do so. Those people should just be executed.

LOL

Some people just enjoy being @$$holes, and feel being considerate is for "pansies"
post #22 of 25
Have you tried strangulating or kicking the heck out of your neighbor? If that is not your thing, move...
post #23 of 25
You really should of just spent the extra money and decouple your wall. I just got done doing one of my walls that is connected to my neighbor in my town home. Its only been 2 weeks but the wall sounds far from hollow. Sound really solid like a concrete wall. I took down the wall and filled it with r-13 insulation then decoupled with whisper clips and hat channels. The added 1 layer of 5/8 plywood,2 layers of 5/8 drywall with green glue between sheets.. I also added 1 layer of 5/8 drywall with green glue on the ceiling. I wasnt able to do the floors and side walls but Ted and John from soundproofingcompany.com sure helped me out through every step of the way and they told me this should give me a huge improvement. My Home theater room is almost done so I will be able to test out the surround sound in a few weeks and hopefully wont be getting no complaints from our neighbor..

I just wish I could go decouple the wall on my neighbors side and add some drywall and GG..

You might want to just try and take down your wall and decouple. Maybe you can talk to your neighbor and get hime to decouple his wall aslo or add some drywall with green glue..
post #24 of 25
ed a7-900.... i mean best way to fight fire is with fire right?
post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by ceiph View Post

ed a7-900.... i mean best way to fight fire is with fire right?

Oh yeah... that should definitely do it...
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